Still doesn't change my opinion on the roster, I still hate it. If anything story made me dislike it even more.

It made me even more angry. At least if they had been revived they would have been relevant but they were just undead jobbers. But not only that, Sindel did more than all 3 of them. They were only there due to popularity and took spots that should have went to Tanya, Fujin, and Rain. Those 3 did more for the story. Sure, Kitana and Liu were important after the credits, but how does that warrant them for THIS game. Was Shinnok in MK9? No!

While I do not really dislike anyone on the roster, except for Liu Kang, after finishing story mode I am far more upset by the roster. Baraka, Tanya, Rain, Sareena, Li Mei, Fujin, Frost SHOULD have been on the roster over the likes of Liu, Jax, Kitana, etc. Then have Kitana, Liu for example as DLC.

It's MK9 all over again plus some brand new faces. Not cool.

They're too popular to be DLC.

Rain in Tanya should have been in lieu of no one. And Goro didn't need to be in at all. Outside of those things I think the roster is fine depending on if Fujin makes it as DLC or not.

I love how people are like "Liu Kang, Kung Lao, and Kitana should have been NPCs because they didn't do anything in story mode". That's fine and all but what the fuck is Reptile and Ermac's excuse? They were just grunts like usual, but they did even less than the Revenants if you consider the post credits scene.

But because they're ninjas they get a pass. Fuck that shit.

^This

If the reason Liu, Kung Lao and Kitana should not have been playable is that they don't do much in story mode then Fujin, Baraka and all other NPC's shouldn't be either...Hell, with that logic, Ferra Torr, Reptile, Erron, Ermac ect...Are all wastes, right?

The majority of people don't really care about Liu, Kitana or Reptile's story relevance, they just want to play as those characters.

I would love a playable Fujin or Rain, but not at the expense or an already playable character. I like the current character roster.

I am astonished Liu kitana, and Kung lao were included in this game After finishing story mode.

nothi bg makes sense about them. Why are they there?? We did not need them at all.

After seeing Rain , fujin and tanya in story mode, they should have been included in the damn game way over Liu, king, and kitana. They did nothing in story mode except be revenants. They did just as much as smoke and yet there was no smoke, not even an NPC fight of Smoke.

Fujin fought alongside Raiden for all of one chapter's cutscenes. Liu Kang and friends pounced on the good guys for most of the game. Fujin and Tanya were far from more important. The only NPC with any bit of importance was Rain because he had his own and plan and is the reason Mileena got the amulet.

There was no way Kung Lao wouldn't make it back in - he's considered expert tournament level and they wouldn't remove the character that was used by the overall "champion" of the MK9 player tournaments.

But overall the roster was a letdown...too many repeat characters from MK9 that were dead, or just didn't have enough relevance to story mode to warrant their inclusion, whereas characters like Fujin, Reiko and Havik weren't even included, and Rain/Tanya are reduced to story mode appearances only with Tanya being future DLC, when she should have just made the general roster.

They should've included more MK4 - MK:D characters.

I am pretty satisfied, but I would've liked Sindel, Rain and Tanya on the main roster. They were the most 'present' NPCs to me.

Liu Kang and Kitana being included in the roster makes perfect sense, I dunno why people are tripping about that. The post-credits scene is all about them! Kung Lao is the only stretch, but I guess he's Kung Jin's antecedent and they wanted to maintain the torch-passing theme.

If anything, Reptile and Ermac seem the most pointless as roster characters this go-round, but they're ~ninjas~ so nobody questions them.

Reptile had a great story showing imo. He was extremely vocal, a loyal ally to kotal, and a high ranking advisor.

He absolutely worked mileena in the mutiny scene by saying her claims to the throne were illegitamate.

I agree with you, the story relevance argument to deter from Liu kitana and Kungs inclusion is bullshit. But they literally have no claim to be in the roster as living people. Their primary reflects living beings when they are still canonically dead.

An alternate costume of being alive would be fine I guess but it just goes to show how little thought the NRS team gave to story mode and roster as a whole. It doesn't make sense.

Why isn't smoke in the roster? Why isn't nightwolf? There isn't an answer, it's just because NRS chose who they chose. which is annoying because there is no damn rhyme or reason.

They thought a TON about it -- the 'alive' costumes were to throw us all off and avoid spoiling the story mode, and it worked. Everybody thought Liu, Lao and Kitana would be revived like Jax and Sub-Zero.

Basically. There is a whole section of the roster that I refuse to touch. Worst roster in MK history IMO.

I love it
-this Chaos...i mean the roster is cool.

Oh, come on. Worse than Deception?

WHAT!?! Deception had a great roster. Jade, Kenshi, Scorpion, Baraka, Mileena, Subby, Sindel, Havik, Hotaru, Noob, Smoke, Tanya, Ermac, Bo Rai Cho, Nightwolf, Li Mei, Raiden, Liu Kang and Kabal. But most of the new characters did suck.

Yes, I'm talking about the additions.

I found the roster... questionable.

It felt like NRS was afraid to let tournament players down, thus some select dead characters have non-canonical appearances and intro banter.

I'm not sure I agree or disagree, but I find it interesting that they didn't do this when Deception was made. Jax, Johnny, Sonya, Kitana, Quan Chi, and Shang Tsung all died, and yet they didn't come back for the game, even though you could fight against them in Konquest mode.

As it stands, I thought Rain and Tanya were FAR more story-driven and interesting than the revenants showing up as playable. Shinnok showed up at the end of MK9, but he wasn't playable.

It was arbitrary (and by arbitrary, I mean "EVO determined"), but it does suck knowing the status quo of characters like Smoke, Nightwolf, Sindel, Stryker, and Kabal is identical to Liu Kang, Kung Lao, and Kitana, but they just didn't bother to include them.

Ermac and Reptile are the second most popular ninjas with Smoke and Noob being third.

Not to mention alive and well so their absence would be noted and those fans would get pissed they aren't in. But the revenants are dead as shit and don't come back...but let's give them human alts just cuz. That's fucking dumb.

Just like the NPCs or Cameos not being playable but heaven forbid Kitana, Liu and Lao miss 1 fucking game despite staying dead.

The whole Revenant thing was very poorly done. And Goro being unimportant and not around in story mode but Tanya is.

I think I've stopped caring about story. As far as ingame goes the comics are still a great weekly read.

Reptile is in so I'm happy... Loved that he got a small scene where he has talked down Mileena.

Still I would love to have him a bigger role... And to be honest more for all the "foes"... Always the same formula. Why not having more chapter, even if smaller, for each character... Or at least chapters for characters which haven't gotten one in the previous game.

Rain and Tanya got more love as some playable characters and it doesn't make sense.

Straenge choices in my eyes

This is my gripe.

If both Ermac and Reptile, and Liu Kang, Kitana, and Kung Lao are all in because they're popular... Why is it a problem if the latter return for the same reason? Why aren't Ermac and Reptile catching shit? These double standards make no sense.

And so the Revenants got human Alts, which threw us off about them actually staying dead. I for one thought it was awesome. I love curveballs and NRS flew that one right past us. Plus they got cool redesigns so I can't complain about that.

Because they didn't fucking die in MK9 but the others did.

And not only that they didn't get resurrected like Jax, Hanzo and Kuai so it's even more pointless.

But they're not dead. As seen in that one chapter, Quan Chi uses dark magic to create new corrupted bodies to host their souls. Just because they were mostly seen running around with Quan Chi doesn't mean they're dead.

There's a difference with characters dying and going to heaven/netherrealm, and Quan Chi being handed the souls of the earth warriors before Shao Kahn swallows them in his soulnado in MK9. These guys are no longer dead. They were revived by Quan Chi.