Tremor, and the Earth Elemental from MKM: Sub-Zero
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posted10/07/2014 05:08 AM (UTC)by
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I've read a lot of suggestions about bringing Tremor back as a golem. But like any suggestions to bring Tremor back, I have to ask: why not the Earth Elemental, instead? In this case, why not make the EE (as I'll call him) a golem?

I know, he was a slow, lumbering giant, but they could always make him smaller, but still taller and bigger than most of the regular roster. I know, that'd be quite a change, but bringing Tremor back as a golem would be quite a drastic change, too. I know there wasn't as much of a demand for Reptile's very reptilian makeover in MK:DA, but apparently making an actually human ninja into a golem is okay. Perhaps it's because golems don't usually look as inhuman as Reptile's MK:DA self did.

It's just funny to me that people are insisting on bringing back Tremor instead of the earth elemental, that's all. It's pretty clear it's because Tremor's a ninja, when the golem idea would make more sense for the EE. Are people suggesting that Tremor should be brought back as a golem in ninja garb?

I think they could even make "Tremor" the EE's individual name, like Fujin is the wind god's.
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09/13/2014 02:27 PM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
I've read a lot of suggestions about bringing Tremor back as a golem. But like any suggestions to bring Tremor back, I have to ask: why not the Earth Elemental, instead? In this case, why not make the EE (as I'll call him) a golem?

I know, he was a slow, lumbering giant, but they could always make him smaller, but still taller and bigger than most of the regular roster. I know, that'd be quite a change, but bringing Tremor back as a golem would be quite a drastic change, too. I know there wasn't as much of a demand for Reptile's very reptilian makeover in MK:DA, but apparently making an actually human ninja into a golem is okay. Perhaps it's because golems don't usually look as inhuman as Reptile's MK:DA self did.

It's just funny to me that people are insisting on bringing back Tremor instead of the earth elemental, that's all. It's pretty clear it's because Tremor's a ninja, when the golem idea would make more sense for the EE. Are people suggesting that Tremor should be brought back as a golem in ninja garb?

I think they could even make "Tremor" the EE's individual name, like Fujin is the wind god's.


That raises the question, does NRS even consider Special Forces canon? If not, than they could certainly tweak Tremor into whatever they wanted. Personally I wouldn't care either way. I can't say that I'm super excited for Tremor in any form.
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09/13/2014 02:37 PM (UTC)
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I thought SF was already confirmed non-canon?
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09/13/2014 02:39 PM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:
I thought SF was already confirmed non-canon?


Well, there you have it. Tremor is a blank slate with a name.
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09/13/2014 02:42 PM (UTC)
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I'd rather have a new earth user take over those two if Tremor doesn't make it.
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09/13/2014 03:05 PM (UTC)
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
I'd rather have a new earth user take over those two if Tremor doesn't make it.


Why? Just what is so wrong with Double E (my new name for the Earth Elemental) that if Tremor doesn't return, neither should he?

Not that I'm completely opposed to the idea of a new earth-based character if neither of those two return, though. If we can have more than one Cryomancer, we certainly can have more than one earth-based character.
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09/13/2014 03:06 PM (UTC)
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Tremor should look like a ninja with earth element or magma element, elements in his looks but agility and clothes of ninja.

I'm talking about heroes 3 elements :D

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09/13/2014 03:40 PM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
Casselman Wrote:
I thought SF was already confirmed non-canon?


Well, there you have it. Tremor is a blank slate with a name.


I don't think we have it at all. I don't think I've ever seen a verified source on this(which is something I really, really need for my Khronology).

If anything, Tremor popping up on the Vita and being pissed off about his imprisonment seems to imply that at the very least whatever pre-Special Forces events led to those BD members being imprisoned in particular could have happened...in some way.
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09/13/2014 03:59 PM (UTC)
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I don't think challenge tower is canon.
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09/13/2014 04:06 PM (UTC)
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Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?
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09/13/2014 04:20 PM (UTC)
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I enjoy throwing stones with cody in sf. I'd love to throw boulders with tremor in mk. But that's none of my business lol.
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09/13/2014 04:27 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?


Did you even bother reading my OP?
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09/13/2014 04:31 PM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
I'd rather have a new earth user take over those two if Tremor doesn't make it.


Why? Just what is so wrong with Double E (my new name for the Earth Elemental) that if Tremor doesn't return, neither should he?

Not that I'm completely opposed to the idea of a new earth-based character if neither of those two return, though. If we can have more than one Cryomancer, we certainly can have more than one earth-based character.


We hopefully will not be getting more than 1 cryomancer. If we did it would be stupid. Same goes for earth powered characters (or any type of character for the matter).

Tremor has a cool serviceable back story and and is more individualized than EE. What is more generic than "earth elemental" lol? These reasons are why tremor has such a large following and his large fan-following is why he should be in the roster before a generic "earth elemental" who's name would have to change anyway so why not just make it tremor?
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09/13/2014 04:49 PM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
DG1OA Wrote:
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
I'd rather have a new earth user take over those two if Tremor doesn't make it.


Why? Just what is so wrong with Double E (my new name for the Earth Elemental) that if Tremor doesn't return, neither should he?

Not that I'm completely opposed to the idea of a new earth-based character if neither of those two return, though. If we can have more than one Cryomancer, we certainly can have more than one earth-based character.


We hopefully will not be getting more than 1 cryomancer. If we did it would be stupid. Same goes for earth powered characters (or any type of character for the matter).

Tremor has a cool serviceable back story and and is more individualized than EE. What is more generic than "earth elemental" lol? These reasons are why tremor has such a large following and his large fan-following is why he should be in the roster before a generic "earth elemental" who's name would have to change anyway so why not just make it tremor?


What serviceable backstory? Black Dragon member? Who might have been Lin Kuei once? Okay, perhaps it's something, but that's not so much more than EE's backstory.

Fujin also started out with little backstory, and no unique name, but then they made him a full-blown character in MK4. Why couldn't the same thing be done for the EE?

Like I already said, they should pretty much combine both characters. Make Tremor the EE's individual name, and give him an alt based on Tremor's ninja design, complete with human skin, just like Reptile's classic alt in MK9.
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09/13/2014 05:25 PM (UTC)
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He was the GOD of Earth, not an elemental.
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09/13/2014 05:33 PM (UTC)
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I don't want either of them, but if I had to choose it would be the Earth God.
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09/13/2014 05:43 PM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
RedSumac Wrote:
Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?


Did you even bother reading my OP?

Yes.
It's your typical meaningless ludicrous crap as pretty much all topics you create.
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09/13/2014 06:37 PM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:
Detox Wrote:
Casselman Wrote:
I thought SF was already confirmed non-canon?


Well, there you have it. Tremor is a blank slate with a name.


I don't think we have it at all. I don't think I've ever seen a verified source on this(which is something I really, really need for my Khronology).

If anything, Tremor popping up on the Vita and being pissed off about his imprisonment seems to imply that at the very least whatever pre-Special Forces events led to those BD members being imprisoned in particular could have happened...in some way.


I don't either. But typically people like Casselman seem pretty familiar with things of that nature, so I went with it.

As Zent said, I don't think we can take anything from the challenge tower as canon. Let alone a bonus challenge tower that was thrown on the portable version of the game. Stranger things have happened though.
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09/13/2014 07:33 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
DG1OA Wrote:
RedSumac Wrote:
Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?


Did you even bother reading my OP?

Yes.
It's your typical meaningless ludicrous crap as pretty much all topics you create.



I don't think you read the OP very clearly then. DG10A is not in favor of having more ninjas and calls for earth elemental character instead.

@DG1OA I do not necessarily disagree with you. But.. what is the difference between taking EE and calling him tremor vs. taking tremor and making him look like EE. Seems like it is the same end with different means. So I am not sure what your point is.
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09/13/2014 08:50 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?


Except they all look and play vastly different now and have some of the best story lines in MK. But yes they do all happen to be covering their mouths with a mask. We're pretty far from the MK palette swap days but you seem like a dick so please stay under your rock.

And yeah, ex lin kuei assassin turned black dragon thug who can manipulate earth is a bad ass story that sets up interesting rivalries and alliances IMO.
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09/13/2014 08:59 PM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:
Detox Wrote:
Casselman Wrote:
I thought SF was already confirmed non-canon?


Well, there you have it. Tremor is a blank slate with a name.


I don't think we have it at all. I don't think I've ever seen a verified source on this.


Special Forces is about Kano stealing a magic gem that makes portals and going to Outworld and Jax stopping him.

Sonya and Jax don't have prior knowledge about realms in MK1 and 2 or any subsequent remakes thereof.

I feel like that's confirmation enough.
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09/13/2014 09:52 PM (UTC)
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Spaceman Wrote:
RedSumac Wrote:
Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?


Except they all look and play vastly different now and have some of the best story lines in MK. But yes they do all happen to be covering their mouths with a mask. We're pretty far from the MK palette swap days but you seem like a dick so please stay under your rock.

And yeah, ex lin kuei assassin turned black dragon thug who can manipulate earth is a bad ass story that sets up interesting rivalries and alliances IMO.


Pretty much this.
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09/13/2014 10:51 PM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
I don't think you read the OP very clearly then. DG10A is not in favor of having more ninjas and calls for earth elemental character instead.

GoE was twice as big as Sub-Zero. He either need to become smaller or become a subboss or something, if they want to include him in the game.
But overall its pointless idea, because this character is pretty just a generic stone monster boss from half-forgotten bad game. Much like Tremor, whose only worshipped because apparently some people have fetish for generic ninjas of different colors.

And its stupid crap to attach Tremor's name to this character. What for? They both Z-lister characters essentially. Their place in the Easter Eggs. It's the same stupid bull like merging Sareena and Ashrah. Even more so.
This user definitely love to flood forum with outright troll topics or borderline trollish floody shit, which has no aplication whatsoever to reality and MKX.

Spaceman Wrote:
Except they all look and play vastly different now and have some of the best story lines in MK. But yes they do all happen to be covering their mouths with a mask. We're pretty far from the MK palette swap days but you seem like a dick so please stay under your rock.

I haven't said nothing offensive for you, but if you want to get on my bad side you always welcome, kid.

MK already have 7 characters who originated from palette-swaps (8 if ones count Chameleon). Yes, nowadays they are different, because MK-Team have enough presence of mind to not listen to idiotic fanboys who wanted ninjas to stay like team of power rangers rejects in plastic armor and redesighned them. It's one of the best things that had happened in the series.
But I don't see why they need to create another ninja-character? Wasn't there enough of them? How about creating new awesome character who doesn't happen to share love of "maginificent seven" for vests and masks? Ain't there enough "ninjas" in MK already?

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And yeah, ex lin kuei assassin turned black dragon thug who can manipulate earth is a bad ass story that sets up interesting rivalries and alliances IMO.

Yeah, which wasn't used since character introduction for the series, since...wait, this story was created for MKT in 1996. And such "awesome" story, which such exciting posibilities, somehow wasn't used at all.
Maybe because it's not so exciting afterall?
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09/13/2014 10:57 PM (UTC)
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Spaceman Wrote:
RedSumac Wrote:
Not again this stupid bullshit.

What the hell? There are not enough power rangers ninja?
Maybe NRS should add such "notable" and "awesome" characters as Absolute Zero or some such? WTF with people and their obsession with the certain type of characters?

Ninjas was a tired gimmick back in the days of MKT. Why in the world this must be ressurected now, when there is no technological neccessity to make clones to make bigger character roster, especially after MK9, which had 7 ninja-type characters?


Except they all look and play vastly different now and have some of the best story lines in MK. But yes they do all happen to be covering their mouths with a mask. We're pretty far from the MK palette swap days but you seem like a dick so please stay under your rock.

And yeah, ex lin kuei assassin turned black dragon thug who can manipulate earth is a bad ass story that sets up interesting rivalries and alliances IMO.
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09/13/2014 11:23 PM (UTC)
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Damn ninjas!
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