The problem with getting rid of Old Characters.
The problem with getting rid of Old Characters.
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posted07/13/2014 01:39 AM (UTC)by
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MK is way too old and established to be doing that. Think about it, what if somewhere in the next 2-3 years a movie gets made, all the characters Boon & Co. just got rid of play an integral part in the movie's story, said movie is a smash and brings in more new fans while stoking the fires of nostalgia in others, then said fans buy the new game that just released only to find that those characters from the movie aren't there anymore.
How would WB and NRS handle the inevitable backlash? Tell them all to go f___ themselves, accept change or go to hell, like you all want them too?
May I remind you all that the Soul Caliber series is on it's death bed because of the exact things NRS is planning for MK right now? Most casual fans will not accept Cassie Cage over Sonya, they'll just see a cheap imitation, that's what happened with SC5.
It's happened with Street Fighter, It's happened with DOA, and it's happened with Tekken. What makes you all think that MK is immune?
Most of the people who bought MK9 were people who either, like me, came of age during the arcade era and played MK1-4 as soon as they released, read the comics, watched the cartoon, saw the movies, and became attached to the characters. (And they were well developed characters) or grew up hearing about the old MK games from their big brother and got their hands on the 3d era crap only to be let down by the Hsu Haos and Nitaras of the series.
And I have a gut feeling that MKX will be packed full of Hsu Haos and Nitaras. Ferra/Torr is an obvious Master Blaster rip-off and seems wildly out of place (like "What game am I in?" out of place) ,D'vorah seems more like a low-rent Dc comics character than an MK character, and Cassie Cage should change her name to Sonya Lite. The only new guy so far who doesn't seem out of place or generic right now is Kotal Kahn.
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How would WB and NRS handle the inevitable backlash? Tell them all to go f___ themselves, accept change or go to hell, like you all want them too?
May I remind you all that the Soul Caliber series is on it's death bed because of the exact things NRS is planning for MK right now? Most casual fans will not accept Cassie Cage over Sonya, they'll just see a cheap imitation, that's what happened with SC5.
It's happened with Street Fighter, It's happened with DOA, and it's happened with Tekken. What makes you all think that MK is immune?
Most of the people who bought MK9 were people who either, like me, came of age during the arcade era and played MK1-4 as soon as they released, read the comics, watched the cartoon, saw the movies, and became attached to the characters. (And they were well developed characters) or grew up hearing about the old MK games from their big brother and got their hands on the 3d era crap only to be let down by the Hsu Haos and Nitaras of the series.
And I have a gut feeling that MKX will be packed full of Hsu Haos and Nitaras. Ferra/Torr is an obvious Master Blaster rip-off and seems wildly out of place (like "What game am I in?" out of place) ,D'vorah seems more like a low-rent Dc comics character than an MK character, and Cassie Cage should change her name to Sonya Lite. The only new guy so far who doesn't seem out of place or generic right now is Kotal Kahn.
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ErmaSco Wrote:
My only problem is that, a character like Kitana who is so boring is gonna earn a spot that is much more deserved by another of em old favorites.
My only problem is that, a character like Kitana who is so boring is gonna earn a spot that is much more deserved by another of em old favorites.
OMG! So much truth in this!
Kitana isn't only ruining a spot for another more worthfull character that didn't die in MK9, she's also corrupting the storylines of mileena and jade again when she would appear alongside them.
Captain_Chivalry Wrote:
MK is way too old and established to be doing that. Think about it, what if somewhere in the next 2-3 years a movie gets made, all the characters Boon & Co. just got rid of play an integral part in the movie's story, said movie is a smash and brings in more new fans while stoking the fires of nostalgia in others, then said fans buy the new game that just released only to find that those characters from the movie aren't there anymore.
How would WB and NRS handle the inevitable backlash? Tell them all to go f___ themselves, accept change or go to hell, like you all want them too?
May I remind you all that the Soul Caliber series is on it's death bed because of the exact things NRS is planning for MK right now? Most casual fans will not accept Cassie Cage over Sonya, they'll just see a cheap imitation, that's what happened with SC5.
It's happened with Street Fighter, It's happened with DOA, and it's happened with Tekken. What makes you all think that MK is immune?
Most of the people who bought MK9 were people who either, like me, came of age during the arcade era and played MK1-4 as soon as they released, read the comics, watched the cartoon, saw the movies, and became attached to the characters. (And they were well developed characters) or grew up hearing about the old MK games from their big brother and got their hands on the 3d era crap only to be let down by the Hsu Haos and Nitaras of the series.
And I have a gut feeling that MKX will be packed full of Hsu Haos and Nitaras. Ferra/Torr is an obvious Master Blaster rip-off and seems wildly out of place (like "What game am I in?" out of place) ,D'vorah seems more like a low-rent Dc comics character than an MK character, and Cassie Cage should change her name to Sonya Lite. The only new guy so far who doesn't seem out of place or generic right now is Kotal Kahn.
Rant Over
MK is way too old and established to be doing that. Think about it, what if somewhere in the next 2-3 years a movie gets made, all the characters Boon & Co. just got rid of play an integral part in the movie's story, said movie is a smash and brings in more new fans while stoking the fires of nostalgia in others, then said fans buy the new game that just released only to find that those characters from the movie aren't there anymore.
How would WB and NRS handle the inevitable backlash? Tell them all to go f___ themselves, accept change or go to hell, like you all want them too?
May I remind you all that the Soul Caliber series is on it's death bed because of the exact things NRS is planning for MK right now? Most casual fans will not accept Cassie Cage over Sonya, they'll just see a cheap imitation, that's what happened with SC5.
It's happened with Street Fighter, It's happened with DOA, and it's happened with Tekken. What makes you all think that MK is immune?
Most of the people who bought MK9 were people who either, like me, came of age during the arcade era and played MK1-4 as soon as they released, read the comics, watched the cartoon, saw the movies, and became attached to the characters. (And they were well developed characters) or grew up hearing about the old MK games from their big brother and got their hands on the 3d era crap only to be let down by the Hsu Haos and Nitaras of the series.
And I have a gut feeling that MKX will be packed full of Hsu Haos and Nitaras. Ferra/Torr is an obvious Master Blaster rip-off and seems wildly out of place (like "What game am I in?" out of place) ,D'vorah seems more like a low-rent Dc comics character than an MK character, and Cassie Cage should change her name to Sonya Lite. The only new guy so far who doesn't seem out of place or generic right now is Kotal Kahn.
Rant Over
They can't just keep remaking Trilogy, friend. If they did, you'd just be complaining about how stale MK has become. I grew up with the old games like a lot of other folks here, and I actually support NRS going into uncharted territory with MKX.
Change is scary, I know. And I'm being genuine when I say that. It's a lot easier to stick with the familiar, because it's comfortable and something we can identify with. But if NRS just plays it safe and refuses to shake things up, MK will just die another long death...a death laced with tired re-tellings of the same old storyline and pitted with uninspired design decisions.
I'd rather MK take a leap into the unknown, fraught with risk and the chance of severe failure, than spend another decade slowly withering and fading from the public consciousness due to an absence of innovation and an unwillingness to *rock the boat*, so to speak.
That being said, I think NRS has a good handle on MKX, and I think MK overall is only going to benefit as a result of this shift into the unknown.
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Chrome Wrote:
MK is not art, so it's expected that popular characters will be brought back, because that is what sells.
Not that they could not reinvent the characters, hell Scorpion's schtick in MKD was that he would be reborn as an enforcer for the Elder Gods, but for some reason people cannot get detached from the iconic bullshit that is Scorpion's rage and vengeance. So they had to have him on a vendetta against the Elder gods and Quan Shit.
You know, because the Elder gods for no good reason made zombies out of his clan when ressurecting them. You have one of the most effective fighters as your ally, and you deliberately begin to fuck with him.
Because vengeance.
If the staff could finally get through this, and write a story, any kind of story that has arcs what have closure and consequence, then MK might actually have:
- perhaps some artistic merit from a storytelling prespective.
-a richer background what is more coherent.
-a chance to store and introduce new fighters. That is right, by allowing characters to complete their journey for once, they could have periods of relevance.
By this I mean that Vengeance Scorpion could be followed by enforcer Scorpion etc., and that doesn't diminish the character. People do not like Scorpion ebcause of his story. People like Scorpion because of the spear.
And you could actually give rest to characters, and then pull them back with new stuff to do.
Come to me my undead son, the stage is set for the grand finale!
MK is not art, so it's expected that popular characters will be brought back, because that is what sells.
Not that they could not reinvent the characters, hell Scorpion's schtick in MKD was that he would be reborn as an enforcer for the Elder Gods, but for some reason people cannot get detached from the iconic bullshit that is Scorpion's rage and vengeance. So they had to have him on a vendetta against the Elder gods and Quan Shit.
You know, because the Elder gods for no good reason made zombies out of his clan when ressurecting them. You have one of the most effective fighters as your ally, and you deliberately begin to fuck with him.
Because vengeance.
If the staff could finally get through this, and write a story, any kind of story that has arcs what have closure and consequence, then MK might actually have:
- perhaps some artistic merit from a storytelling prespective.
-a richer background what is more coherent.
-a chance to store and introduce new fighters. That is right, by allowing characters to complete their journey for once, they could have periods of relevance.
By this I mean that Vengeance Scorpion could be followed by enforcer Scorpion etc., and that doesn't diminish the character. People do not like Scorpion ebcause of his story. People like Scorpion because of the spear.
And you could actually give rest to characters, and then pull them back with new stuff to do.
Mortanius Wrote:
MK has been known to change things up and add more things to every game. I respect the guys for taking chances. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not, but through the years Ed and the NRS team has earned my faith. They will never truely "get rid" of the old characters because they are a huge part of the mythology of the MK universe. So even if they aren't playable they will no doubt play a role, big or small in future games. If the storyline sees fit to include them. MK Deception had 8 new characters out of the 24 and of all the 3D Mortal Kombats, that one was my favorite. Goes to show you that new can be better.
MK has been known to change things up and add more things to every game. I respect the guys for taking chances. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not, but through the years Ed and the NRS team has earned my faith. They will never truely "get rid" of the old characters because they are a huge part of the mythology of the MK universe. So even if they aren't playable they will no doubt play a role, big or small in future games. If the storyline sees fit to include them. MK Deception had 8 new characters out of the 24 and of all the 3D Mortal Kombats, that one was my favorite. Goes to show you that new can be better.
Come to me my undead son, the stage is set for the grand finale!
I agree with you 100% Chrome on how they should handle the story.
Also... "You will have your vengeance"
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squirt007nc Wrote:
I hate stupid comments like these. Ohhh you haven't played as them or you haven't even known there storylines. What is the first attraction/turn off every human has to something. It's appearance. When it comes to movies, food or even dating. Your usually turned off by not what you try but what you see. So you just date anyone then is what your saying?
projectzero00 Wrote:
If you hate what they've done so far just don't buy the freaggin game and stop ranting about it. You haven't even played with the new characters, you don't even know their storylines and you already hate them?!
They already made a reboot of the first 3 games with the original cast, I'd say it was about time for some change. There are gonna be returning characters, it's not like 90% of the roster will be newbies. I was a bit disappointed myself when I realized many MK4-MKD characters won't return but I'm willing to give it a chance before I start bitching about how awful it is.
If you hate what they've done so far just don't buy the freaggin game and stop ranting about it. You haven't even played with the new characters, you don't even know their storylines and you already hate them?!
They already made a reboot of the first 3 games with the original cast, I'd say it was about time for some change. There are gonna be returning characters, it's not like 90% of the roster will be newbies. I was a bit disappointed myself when I realized many MK4-MKD characters won't return but I'm willing to give it a chance before I start bitching about how awful it is.
I hate stupid comments like these. Ohhh you haven't played as them or you haven't even known there storylines. What is the first attraction/turn off every human has to something. It's appearance. When it comes to movies, food or even dating. Your usually turned off by not what you try but what you see. So you just date anyone then is what your saying?
That's the most stupid comparison ever. How can you compare human beings and dating to MK?
It makes perfect sense that we can't judge a character when we know almost nothing about them. If you are that narrow minded to be all like "I hate how they look boohoo this game sucks" then do yourself a favor and just don't buy the freaggin game! I am not the one complaining about everything, I just have a different opinion so deal with it. PS.Learn to use several quotes in a single post instead of flooding threads.
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Captain_Chivalry Wrote:
MK is way too old and established to be doing that. Think about it, what if somewhere in the next 2-3 years a movie gets made, all the characters Boon & Co. just got rid of play an integral part in the movie's story, said movie is a smash and brings in more new fans while stoking the fires of nostalgia in others, then said fans buy the new game that just released only to find that those characters from the movie aren't there anymore.
How would WB and NRS handle the inevitable backlash? Tell them all to go f___ themselves, accept change or go to hell, like you all want them too?
May I remind you all that the Soul Caliber series is on it's death bed because of the exact things NRS is planning for MK right now? Most casual fans will not accept Cassie Cage over Sonya, they'll just see a cheap imitation, that's what happened with SC5.
It's happened with Street Fighter, It's happened with DOA, and it's happened with Tekken. What makes you all think that MK is immune?
Most of the people who bought MK9 were people who either, like me, came of age during the arcade era and played MK1-4 as soon as they released, read the comics, watched the cartoon, saw the movies, and became attached to the characters. (And they were well developed characters) or grew up hearing about the old MK games from their big brother and got their hands on the 3d era crap only to be let down by the Hsu Haos and Nitaras of the series.
And I have a gut feeling that MKX will be packed full of Hsu Haos and Nitaras. Ferra/Torr is an obvious Master Blaster rip-off and seems wildly out of place (like "What game am I in?" out of place) ,D'vorah seems more like a low-rent Dc comics character than an MK character, and Cassie Cage should change her name to Sonya Lite. The only new guy so far who doesn't seem out of place or generic right now is Kotal Kahn.
Rant Over
MK is way too old and established to be doing that. Think about it, what if somewhere in the next 2-3 years a movie gets made, all the characters Boon & Co. just got rid of play an integral part in the movie's story, said movie is a smash and brings in more new fans while stoking the fires of nostalgia in others, then said fans buy the new game that just released only to find that those characters from the movie aren't there anymore.
How would WB and NRS handle the inevitable backlash? Tell them all to go f___ themselves, accept change or go to hell, like you all want them too?
May I remind you all that the Soul Caliber series is on it's death bed because of the exact things NRS is planning for MK right now? Most casual fans will not accept Cassie Cage over Sonya, they'll just see a cheap imitation, that's what happened with SC5.
It's happened with Street Fighter, It's happened with DOA, and it's happened with Tekken. What makes you all think that MK is immune?
Most of the people who bought MK9 were people who either, like me, came of age during the arcade era and played MK1-4 as soon as they released, read the comics, watched the cartoon, saw the movies, and became attached to the characters. (And they were well developed characters) or grew up hearing about the old MK games from their big brother and got their hands on the 3d era crap only to be let down by the Hsu Haos and Nitaras of the series.
And I have a gut feeling that MKX will be packed full of Hsu Haos and Nitaras. Ferra/Torr is an obvious Master Blaster rip-off and seems wildly out of place (like "What game am I in?" out of place) ,D'vorah seems more like a low-rent Dc comics character than an MK character, and Cassie Cage should change her name to Sonya Lite. The only new guy so far who doesn't seem out of place or generic right now is Kotal Kahn.
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YOU my friend are a f***ing IDIOT
WEH!!! MY FAVORITE CHARACTER NOT IN WEH I'M NOT BUYING WEH WEH WEH
Do us and MK a favor and GET A DAMN LIFE, wash your hands of Mortal Kombat if you don't like it and quit bagging on MKX and just leave.
You have 9 F***ING GAMES that you can play if you wanna play as that vapid w***e Kitana or that f****t Smoke. Stay the f**k out of my Mortal Kombat.
NRS has proven that they can make new stars, we don't need THE ICONS anymore.
People like you who cannot accept change need to disappear fro the fandom, MK has to evolve to survive. Even if that means alienating pieces of sh** like you, then all the merrier.
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