Shinnok and Quan Chi like characters. There should be characters such as this to keep MK8 interesting.
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posted03/07/2007 03:27 PM (UTC)by
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Here is my analysis. MK4 was a game that many fans considered to be less that invigorating and sub-standard. However we all have to agree some of the characters made in MK4 are the best made characters with severly good potential that can be used after MK4 Gold.


Now I know Quan Chi was a success in MKDA, and he was notably absent in MKD.

MKA was kind of a rap of of the series in the sense that every character would be included, kinda as a last ditch effort of a goodbye sendoff, and indeed giving way to a new direction in MK8.

So, with that being said, and with the knowledge that Scorpion and Sub-zero are the only returning characters in MK8, do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?

Discuss any points you would like to discuss in this post.
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titanwarrior
02/26/2007 11:32 PM (UTC)
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imo, both of those kharacters would be good for mk8..i believe that only a few will make mk8 and we will have several new entities..i think raiden and fujin could be added to this class along with shao kahn..i can't wait for the death of a vast majority of kombatants due to their stale story or just being lame..

i assume scorpion will find a way to live on because of boon..
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02/27/2007 05:44 PM (UTC)
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outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...
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02/27/2007 06:55 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...



I will say yes to that, but. I don't agree to much with that list...

Kenshi
Moloch
Nitara
Bo' Rai Cho
Havik

That is all of em' , but that is just me lol
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03/01/2007 12:14 AM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...


I like most of the ones you mentioned. However, I think Bo' Rai Cho shouldn't return in the future games, and I despise Moloch.
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03/01/2007 12:21 AM (UTC)
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how about we just have one character that morphs huh? im tired of having a character that has one move from other characters thinking that they're cool... nope. therefore Shang Tsung should stay in. Quan Chi, dude if they have only one fatality on them, even though they won't, but if they did, please let his leg fatality be on it. he's only allowed back in if he has that. otherwise as why i love being an italian chick

forget about it!
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03/01/2007 12:33 PM (UTC)
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Personaly, I think Shinnok could go to the Mk graveyard and I would care less. He's such a pittiful discrace to God-hood it's ridiculous. I couldnt really tolerate him being a playable character in anythig future MK. He'd have to be SO changed to compliment "power".....as power should compliment him. Right now he's just a funny colored dressor w/green eyes and and pale skin...

As far as those new characters that are new and interesting N_M, Bo Rai Cho was the same as Moloch and Shinnok to me, they all deserve to be scraped, And if Li Mei and Ashrah went with them I would'nt mind. In fact, I'd be pleasantly surprised.

I just think they were taken the wrong direction. I personally found sour taste in everything those characters became. Any progression (step forward) they made was a reggression(step backward).

I like the others you mentioned, add Shujinko(besides him using others' powers) as a new character. I don't really reason with the simplicity of the dislike people have for him in particular. Mainly because, if Shujinko is "hated" for the most common reasons("he was a tool"...blah, blah, blah,...)..the same standard could be applied to a surprising list of others....and I don't like to judgmentally stereotype anything.

Taven and Daegon are next-gen characters and I feel, should not have been introduced( OR ANY FACET OF THIER STORIES) until this new game came out... I think it would have been fun to find out things about them, but in progressive chunks. Not at the end of THIS story. Now? I just don't care nor respect anything about those characters.

Because I feel like they were the main flaw, and that they were "forced". Everything about them was forced. "Sense of Ergency" was the only notable quality.........

outworld222:

Yes, I do think they can, because they have in the past. I just think the emphasis was to "Sell the Game" to much on this last go-round".


Kinda like one of My signatures with Too Much Stuff in it. Maybe very hard work gone unapreciated......"smothering"...


The thing I think they miss on commonly, is Taking Care of New Characters after they are created. That, and probably "Cannon?//Non-Cannon?" definitive.
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03/01/2007 01:38 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ninja_Mime Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...


I like most of the ones you mentioned. However, I think Bo' Rai Cho shouldn't return in the future games, and I despise Moloch.


Whether you despise him or not, Moloch's still the most original sub-boss character MK has ever had. And probably one of the most original MK characters ever.
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03/01/2007 05:31 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ninja_Mime Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...


I like most of the ones you mentioned. However, I think Bo' Rai Cho shouldn't return in the future games, and I despise Moloch.


Whether you despise him or not, Moloch's still the most original sub-boss character MK has ever had. And probably one of the most original MK characters ever.


Ditto.
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03/01/2007 09:35 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ninja_Mime Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...


I like most of the ones you mentioned. However, I think Bo' Rai Cho shouldn't return in the future games, and I despise Moloch.


Whether you despise him or not, Moloch's still the most original sub-boss character MK has ever had. And probably one of the most original MK characters ever.


Hardly, he's just a brainless Oni that was tricked first by Quan Chi and then by Tsung. He really just existed because the team was minus one ultra powerful and cheap sub-boss. Motaro is in my opinion a more original sub-boss since he is one of the first bosses in fighting games to not be bi-pedal. He also has a mind and opinions of his own. Moloch is merely an idiot with a giant metal ball.

In regards to this why is everyone so hateful against every classic character? People keep saying they should kill off Sub-Zero or Shao Kahn. These characters are older than some of the people on this forum and they're hell-bent on seeing them taken out. The worst was some person that called Scorpion "emo." Think about it, would you have a James Bond movie without James Bond? A Mad Max movie without Mad Max? Heart of Darkness without Kurtz?

Unfortunately some fool will say those things are possible and go on to say that either Liu Kang should go goth in MK8 or die for good.

(I don't apologize for comparing MK to Heart of Darkness by the way.)
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03/01/2007 09:58 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ninja_Mime Wrote:
outworld222 Wrote:
do you think it is possible for the MK team to make interesting new MK characters for MK8?


Of course. It's silly to think otherwise. There have been many interesting new characters from the last 3 games. Nitara, Kenshi, Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Hotaru, Havik, Ashrah, Drahmin, Moloch...


I like most of the ones you mentioned. However, I think Bo' Rai Cho shouldn't return in the future games, and I despise Moloch.


Whether you despise him or not, Moloch's still the most original sub-boss character MK has ever had. And probably one of the most original MK characters ever.


Eh, I don't know about that. Even if you are right about those things, he still doesn't have much going for him. Plus, I find him to be very cheap and annoying, which he is.
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03/02/2007 12:02 AM (UTC)
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Hardly, he's just a brainless Oni that was tricked first by Quan Chi and then by Tsung. He really just existed because the team was minus one ultra powerful and cheap sub-boss. Motaro is in my opinion a more original sub-boss since he is one of the first bosses in fighting games to not be bi-pedal. He also has a mind and opinions of his own. Moloch is merely an idiot with a giant metal ball.



I'll second that. Moloch comes off as just a big dumb animal with a ball stuck to his hand. Motaro is the leader of his faction. Regaurdless of his current deformaty, he's still alot more orginal and interesting...o.k, ok ImO
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Hotaru's probably the most "Original" new character all around. Nothing like him in just about anything I've ever seen.
Kenshi's pretty well Original and liked....but only to Mk as a martial artist. Ukyo Tachibana of Samurai Showdown and Kenshi give off a similar vibe before you know the characters themselves...To me at least, and that just adds to likeness for them though.

And then you could probably add Sareena, Havik, Dairou, and when they came unto Mk.....Baraka and the concept behind an Ermac too....Doesn't speak for how well they're liked though.

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03/02/2007 01:19 AM (UTC)
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Gunner_Gunter Wrote:
In regards to this why is everyone so hateful against every classic character? People keep saying they should kill off Sub-Zero or Shao Kahn. These characters are older than some of the people on this forum and they're hell-bent on seeing them taken out. The worst was some person that called Scorpion "emo." Think about it, would you have a James Bond movie without James Bond? A Mad Max movie without Mad Max? Heart of Darkness without Kurtz?

Unfortunately some fool will say those things are possible and go on to say that either Liu Kang should go goth in MK8 or die for good.


The old characters are extremely stale. Extremely. I understand Scorpion and Sub-Zero staying for sales purposes, but others must go. Any character post-MK4 is fine to keep.
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03/05/2007 03:47 AM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Gunner_Gunter Wrote:
In regards to this why is everyone so hateful against every classic character? People keep saying they should kill off Sub-Zero or Shao Kahn. These characters are older than some of the people on this forum and they're hell-bent on seeing them taken out. The worst was some person that called Scorpion "emo." Think about it, would you have a James Bond movie without James Bond? A Mad Max movie without Mad Max? Heart of Darkness without Kurtz?

Unfortunately some fool will say those things are possible and go on to say that either Liu Kang should go goth in MK8 or die for good.


The old characters are extremely stale. Extremely. I understand Scorpion and Sub-Zero staying for sales purposes, but others must go. Any character post-MK4 is fine to keep.


Do these characters offend you? You say they should go and that they are stale after merely 14 years. That isn't much time at all. James Bond and Doctor Who have been soldiering on since the 1960's and enough people to make those properties profitable still enjoy them. Fourteen years isn't shit compared to forty.
Besides, what does it matter? New characters are coming but why do we need a game of all new ones? Some of us enjoy our "stale" characters. Some of us think they still have stories to tell and Kombats to fight.
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03/05/2007 01:52 PM (UTC)
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Besides, what does it matter? New characters are coming but why do we need a game of all new ones?


We don't. And we're not getting one. Only a small amount of classics are remaining, though, and that's how it should be.
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03/05/2007 03:34 PM (UTC)
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Motaro was based on a Mythological character, and wasn't thought up by the MK Team. That makes him not original at all. I like Moloch over Motaro pure for that reason. Motaro indeed had more brains, but was never a original character.
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03/05/2007 06:32 PM (UTC)
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Motaro was based on a Mythological character, and wasn't thought up by the MK Team. That makes him not original at all. I like Moloch over Motaro pure for that reason.

Motaro indeed had more brains, but was never a original character.


"Oni", or "japanese mythological demon" right? They're both mythologiclly based. Which could make them virtually the same age??? Roman mythology vs Japanese mythology...whichever is eldest? I think that's how that would go.....So even mythologiclly I believe Centaurs are the more original character...more versed even, being depicted as both good/evil characters...

In mortal kombat, I think Motaro is a more evenly built character(irony considering centaur design right? heh), incompassing a better equilibrium of brains and brawn than Moloch. Moloch is not so intelligent and even in battle, I don't see him the victor vs Motaro.
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03/05/2007 09:07 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Gunner_Gunter Wrote:
Besides, what does it matter? New characters are coming but why do we need a game of all new ones?


We don't. And we're not getting one. Only a small amount of classics are remaining, though, and that's how it should be.


I just re-read my message and realized I sounded like an asshole, sorry.
I was just driving home my point that I don't think MK has been around long enough for the characters to be stale. What we really need is a game of, say, 30 classic and 30 new characters. With 60 to choose from some would have to be the ones we know and love and new people with real character to them and not just cash cow squeezes.
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03/07/2007 03:27 PM (UTC)
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There really should be more characters like Shinnok and Quan Chi. Mortal Kombat is already full of its ninjas[not saying its a bad thing]. I wish Blackheart from GhostRider was an MK character, he seems to fit the whole MK theme of eerie looking frighters. The new fighters of MK8 should become a little more then mediocre then Dairou, Bo Rai Cho, Hotaro, and Mokap.
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