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03/14/2015 01:13 AM (UTC)
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I took as NRS trying to make a shitty character look good by having him beat characters that are actually cool grin

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Couldn't agree more look at MK9 nighwolf beat quan chi, Noob and a powered up sindel who no other earthrealm warrior could even lay a glove on! You can't really judge a characters worth by their story foghts


Well honestly Nightwolf is probably pretty fucking powerful. I'd say he's probably on par with Kung Lao and the others. Idk though because he gets beaten by Scorpion, so who knows. I definitely can see him taking on Noob though and shit.
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03/14/2015 01:15 AM (UTC)
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If the characters followed a hierachy of strength then fights in story mode would be limited because when you play as a character in story mode you win. Therefore the character you play as would not be facing a character who is lower on the hierachy.

Character strength is equalised so that the story can have freedom.
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03/14/2015 04:01 AM (UTC)
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xysion Wrote:
If the characters followed a hierachy of strength then fights in story mode would be limited because when you play as a character in story mode you win. Therefore the character you play as would not be facing acharacter who is lower on the hierachy.

Character strength is equalised so that the story can have freedom.


Sindel is the strongest female in mortal kombat. She will kill all of them again hahaha. But seriously I wish the story did measure there power more instead of a person just winning cus they are being played. I mean sonya kicked d'vorah ass in the comic so if she wins in story it's going to feel weird.
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03/14/2015 04:34 AM (UTC)
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residentfan Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
TigerStyle Wrote:
Blade4693 Wrote:
Sometimes I wish they weren't. Stryker beating Reptile, Mileena, Kintaro, and Ermac...

WTF!?furious


They fought the law.

The law won.


LMAO! You're fucking awesome man.

On topic:

Why can't Stryker beat all those characters? I really think he is an underrated character.

Sure he can't beat Kintaro, But seriously. Kung Lao can't beat the Deadly alliance either and Cyber-Sub Can't beat Both Kintaro And Goro. Sure the damn fights are Ridiculous, And I wish they would make the fights a bit even. Instead of just having fights for the sake of fights and filler. But I do think Stryker stands a chance against characters like Mileena,Reptile And Ermac. Just not Kintaro.

But yet again, Kintaro was a fucking pussy in MK9. I mean I know that he is basically a big pussy. But he was at least intimidating in MK2. In MK9 both Goro and Kintaro are just sad characters. I hate what they did with them. They are just dumb characters at this point, that get beat up every time they show up.


Pray they never get the Motaro treatment.


Nobody should ever get that treatment. But if I was given the choice, I'd pick MK9 Motaro over MKA "Motaro" Any day of the week.

As far as I know, Motaro was never and I mean ever in MKA. That was just a character named Motaro for some reason. Maybe a cosplayer. Although I doubt that because even a cosplayer would manage to present Motaro better than MKA did. A fucking guy with 2 horse legs. Get the fuck outta here ,NRS.

As for Goro, I still think what they are doing with him is completely degrading. First MK9 shows him as a fucking pussy who can't win one fight. And now the MKX comics shows him as a bigger pussy who lost his fucking arms. Although to be fair, he did at least kill someone in the comics. But I still hate the fact he got his arms ripped off, I mean come the fuck on. Is Goro this weak?

I know Kotal Kahn was using the Kamidogu which gave him a huge ass buff against Goro. But Goro is a character that is supposed to be powerful and feared. I guess I went on a rant here lol.

Point is.

Goro needs to be intimidating that's how everybody who played MK from the start remember him as.

Kintaro was even a bigger and scarier character and he needs to be that.

But that will never happen, you know why?

Because MK writing team are still writing like a 5 year old would write, despite the M rating the story always goes the Power rangers route.

>Bad guys are doing bad guy things and destroying stuff
>Good guys are doing good guy things and stop them at the end.

Cause we don't really need more depth, we don't need an evil character chapter. Evil characters are there to be punching bags and filler to move to the next chapter.
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03/14/2015 04:37 AM (UTC)
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I thought Sindel was way stronger because she was infused with Shang's powers.

If anything I would say Sheeva is the strongest in terms of like brute power.
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03/14/2015 04:48 AM (UTC)
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No normal human can defeat Outworld monstrosities the likes of Ermac and Kintaro, that's why Earthrealm has their chosen ones, they're already gifted individuals.
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03/14/2015 04:57 AM (UTC)
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I understand both sides, but I'm more on the side of making sense of the power levels. I get that gameplay would sometimes be difficult without equal standing, but I still feel like there could be something they could do to balance it.

Liu Kang's chapter match ups made sense, Jax's match ups made sense, Raiden's made sense. Scorpion, Cyrax, and Sub Zero all had good match ups in their chapters. And most of the others are believable if you change a fight or two. Unless the power and/or skill level difference is a huge gap between the characters winning a fight isn't as cut and dry as, "Sonya beat Kano, therefore Kano can never beat Sonya."

I think most people's beef is just the fact that insanely strong characters get beat by someone who didn't seem and shouldn't be anywhere near as strong as who they beat. Goro was the mk champ for centuries they made it a big deal and since Shang is the final challenge he should be a step above Goro, yet after chapter 6 he's treated like an average fighter and the whole thing about Goro being champion is laughable. If swat cops like Striker can take out monsters like Kintaro, (who is suppose to be stronger than Goro if I remember correctly.) It kinda takes away from their credibility.
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03/14/2015 05:12 AM (UTC)
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This isn't dragon ball z , theres no power levels saying hes over 9000 but Nightwolf is only level 5000 therefore he can't touch him thats retarded , each character has potential . Sure Stryker beating goro was a surprise but you have to remember Stryker survived because he was skilled & honestly out of the millions that were in the city is finding one strong fighter among a city a stretch .
The thing is Goro's only hyped up because he beat the Great Kung Lao and fought generic shmucks for centuries.

When he started fighting guys like Kang, Stryker, Sub-Zero, etc, he lost because they're not just regular people. That was the point of why they were called to defend Earthrealm in MK3.

That's WHY the story focuses on them. Because they're a cut above the rest.

Goro supposedly being a powerhouse (physically yes) is a fan thing, but he's not automatically supposed to mop the floor with everyone because he beat no-name shmucks for years. Ermac was another character who wasn't really much more powerful than anyone but fans hyped him up as being more powerful because the souls thing which didn't help Tsung or Ermac win too many fights.
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03/14/2015 05:25 AM (UTC)
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Blue-Mario Wrote:
This isn't dragon ball z , theres no power levels saying hes over 9000 but Nightwolf is only level 5000 therefore he can't touch him thats retarded , each character has potential . Sure Stryker beating goro was a surprise but you have to remember Stryker survived because he was skilled & honestly out of the millions that were in the city is finding one strong fighter among a city a stretch .

Well obviously it's not exactly like DBZ, but there is chi in the mk universe and strength levels. They don't use scouters, but what's retarded is to think that a human with good fighting skills can beat a much bigger, fire spitting, teleporting opponent (Who was Kintaro, not Goro.) with physical skills alone. Stryker survived because the plot called for it.
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03/14/2015 05:34 AM (UTC)
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The thing is Goro's only hyped up because he beat the Great Kung Lao and fought generic shmucks for centuries.

When he started fighting guys like Kang, Stryker, Sub-Zero, etc, he lost because they're not just regular people. That was the point of why they were called to defend Earthrealm in MK3.

That's WHY the story focuses on them. Because they're a cut above the rest.

Goro supposedly being a powerhouse (physically yes) is a fan thing, but he's not automatically supposed to mop the floor with everyone because he beat no-name shmucks for years. Ermac was another character who wasn't really much more powerful than anyone but fans hyped him up as being more powerful because the souls thing which didn't help Tsung or Ermac win too many fights.


This totally makes sense. Goro hasn't fought anyone truly powerful in ages, he's probably way out of practice. No wonder he got shit on in MK9 lol

I also always liked that Shao Kahn wasn't able to steal their souls because they were the warriors chosen to represent Earth.



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03/14/2015 05:45 AM (UTC)
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Sometimes I wish they weren't. Stryker beating Reptile, Mileena, Kintaro, and Ermac...

WTF!?furious



Sorry but Stryker is and always has been a badass.
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03/14/2015 05:50 AM (UTC)
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TigerStyle Wrote:
The thing is Goro's only hyped up because he beat the Great Kung Lao and fought generic shmucks for centuries.

When he started fighting guys like Kang, Stryker, Sub-Zero, etc, he lost because they're not just regular people. That was the point of why they were called to defend Earthrealm in MK3.

That's WHY the story focuses on them. Because they're a cut above the rest.

Goro supposedly being a powerhouse (physically yes) is a fan thing, but he's not automatically supposed to mop the floor with everyone because he beat no-name shmucks for years. Ermac was another character who wasn't really much more powerful than anyone but fans hyped him up as being more powerful because the souls thing which didn't help Tsung or Ermac win too many fights.


Goro didn't beat no names, he took on Earth's greatest warriors, the mk tornament is not just for any chumps that know kung fu. We don't know about them because Mk never had a game about those timelines. I doubt Raiden, would present crappy fighters to fight for the fate of the Earth.

Stryker and the others are not regular people,Âa but most of them shouldn't be on Goro's level. And the story focuses on them because they are the protagonist.Âa

Goro and Ermac's power is not a fan thing. It is well established in the MK universe. The fact the Goro is a boss alone shows that it's not merely fanon. As for Ermac and Shang, there are canon things pointing to their strengh as well. Their order in the tornament is one of them. The way they introduced Ermac with Shang's description and Raiden's warning to Liu is an obvious clue. Ermac blew off Jax's arms without even thinking about it.

You say the soul thing doesn't help them, but that's exactly what some fans are complaining about. The souls grant them both power (Not to mention Quan Chi and Shao Kahn.) until the plot is like, "nope."
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03/14/2015 05:50 AM (UTC)
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redman Wrote:
TigerStyle Wrote:
The thing is Goro's only hyped up because he beat the Great Kung Lao and fought generic shmucks for centuries.

When he started fighting guys like Kang, Stryker, Sub-Zero, etc, he lost because they're not just regular people. That was the point of why they were called to defend Earthrealm in MK3.

That's WHY the story focuses on them. Because they're a cut above the rest.

Goro supposedly being a powerhouse (physically yes) is a fan thing, but he's not automatically supposed to mop the floor with everyone because he beat no-name shmucks for years. Ermac was another character who wasn't really much more powerful than anyone but fans hyped him up as being more powerful because the souls thing which didn't help Tsung or Ermac win too many fights.


This totally makes sense. Goro hasn't fought anyone truly powerful in ages, he's probably way out of practice. No wonder he got shit on in MK9 lol

I also always liked that Shao Kahn wasn't able to steal their souls because they were the warriors chosen to represent Earth.






Dude..nice picture. Is there a bigger version of that? It would make a great cover image on Facebook.
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03/14/2015 05:55 AM (UTC)
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FerraTorr Wrote:
redman Wrote:
TigerStyle Wrote:
The thing is Goro's only hyped up because he beat the Great Kung Lao and fought generic shmucks for centuries.

When he started fighting guys like Kang, Stryker, Sub-Zero, etc, he lost because they're not just regular people. That was the point of why they were called to defend Earthrealm in MK3.

That's WHY the story focuses on them. Because they're a cut above the rest.

Goro supposedly being a powerhouse (physically yes) is a fan thing, but he's not automatically supposed to mop the floor with everyone because he beat no-name shmucks for years. Ermac was another character who wasn't really much more powerful than anyone but fans hyped him up as being more powerful because the souls thing which didn't help Tsung or Ermac win too many fights.


This totally makes sense. Goro hasn't fought anyone truly powerful in ages, he's probably way out of practice. No wonder he got shit on in MK9 lol

I also always liked that Shao Kahn wasn't able to steal their souls because they were the warriors chosen to represent Earth.






Dude..nice picture. Is there a bigger version of that? It would make a great cover image on Facebook.


I don't think so. It was one of the images that was in the original MK3 story introductions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0kyjvNVR0

5:16

I always really liked the intro images. Especially that one and this one, I can genuinely see why they would be afraid of fighting something like these. They look scary as shit.



Windy_Thunderstorm Wrote:
TigerStyle Wrote:
The thing is Goro's only hyped up because he beat the Great Kung Lao and fought generic shmucks for centuries.

When he started fighting guys like Kang, Stryker, Sub-Zero, etc, he lost because they're not just regular people. That was the point of why they were called to defend Earthrealm in MK3.

That's WHY the story focuses on them. Because they're a cut above the rest.

Goro supposedly being a powerhouse (physically yes) is a fan thing, but he's not automatically supposed to mop the floor with everyone because he beat no-name shmucks for years. Ermac was another character who wasn't really much more powerful than anyone but fans hyped him up as being more powerful because the souls thing which didn't help Tsung or Ermac win too many fights.


Goro didn't beat no names, he took on Earth's greatest warriors, the mk tornament is not just for any chumps that know kung fu. We don't know about them because Mk never had a game about those timelines. I doubt Raiden, would present crappy fighters to fight for the fate of the Earth.

Stryker and the others are not regular people,�a but most of them shouldn't be on Goro's level. And the story focuses on them because they are the protagonist.�a

Goro and Ermac's power is not a fan thing. It is well established in the MK universe. The fact the Goro is a boss alone shows that it's not merely fanon. As for Ermac and Shang, there are canon things pointing to their strengh as well. Their order in the tornament is one of them. The way they introduced Ermac with Shang's description and Raiden's warning to Liu is an obvious clue. Ermac blew off Jax's arms without even thinking about it.

You say the soul thing doesn't help them, but that's exactly what some fans are complaining about. The souls grant them both power (Not to mention Quan Chi and Shao Kahn.) until the plot is like, "nope."


And they are the protagonists BECAUSE they're more than just regular warriors and are capable of slapping around Shokan. Goro did take on no-names because we don't know any of them other than the Great Kung Lao and they're not important enough to have story time developed to them. He's just got that air about him because he was the first game's sub-boss and they had to make him intimidating.

As for Ermac if he really was tough shit to the point of being above other kombatants he wouldn't have lost fights so easily. Yeah he blew Jax's arms off after he caught him off guard. If he could just do that normally he'd have done it to Sub-Zero and Strkyer no problem.

Also speaking of that intro, I found a version of it with the music slightly changed and it fits better than the original game. The way the Subway theme kicks in real loud when it shows Earthrealm's champions is awesome.
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03/14/2015 06:04 AM (UTC)
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Dude @Tigerstyle that is so much better. Good find!
redman Wrote:
Dude @Tigerstyle that is so much better. Good find!


That's how MK Annihilation should have opened.
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03/14/2015 06:09 AM (UTC)
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TigerStyle Wrote:
redman Wrote:
Dude @Tigerstyle that is so much better. Good find!


That's how MK Annihilation should have opened.


MK Annihilation should have had a lot of things. :(
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03/14/2015 12:07 PM (UTC)
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I have always liked Mk3 more than UMK3 because of those intro pictures and the ending pictures which they took out for some reason.

Back on topic, Ermac is a little overrated, people say that he is all that powerfull yet there are no feats, don't come talking about when he fights the earthrealm heroes in the original timeline because Kitana and Jax were already freed so he got help.

If I'm not mistaken, in the bio cards of Deception the team says Sindel is the most powerfull female, I could be wrong however.
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03/14/2015 01:30 PM (UTC)
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All I want to address is the so-called "absurdity" of Stryker beating Kintaro and Ermac. Why is that so hard for people to wrap their heads around that?

What made Kung Lao and Liu Kang anymore capable of beating Kintaro and Ermac, respectively? In what way were Stryker's weapons less effective than Kung Lao's hat, or Liu Kang's fists and fire-based abilities (his whole arsenal)?

It's like people think the likes of Liu Kang, Sub-Zero etc can destroy whole buildings with their little fingers, while Stryker can barely swat a fly.

Though I suppose if it was Batman beating Kintaro and Ermac instead of Stryker, not many would think about it twice. For some reason he's the only non-superpowered human in fiction people can see beat the odds, much more absurd ones than those Stryker overcame, and without any guns, to boot.

If the majority of fans had their way, just who would Stryker beat, exactly? Ferra, without Torr around? Mokap?
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03/14/2015 02:48 PM (UTC)
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While enjoying this thread, I am afraid that some of you might have missed the point : is there some logical explanation of why an underdog like Johnny Cage or Stryker or even Sonya, now can suddenly defeat Scorpion and Sub-Zero simultaneously or Quan Chi (as hinted in Sonya part of Cage family trailer)?

What happened in the meantime?

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03/14/2015 03:10 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
While enjoying this thread, I am afraid that some of you might have missed the point : is there some logical explanation of why an underdog like Johnny Cage or Stryker or even Sonya, now can suddenly defeat Scorpion and Sub-Zero simultaneously or Quan Chi (as hinted in Sonya part of Cage family trailer)?

What happened in the meantime?



The only logical explanation I can come with is that a few characters like Stryker, Sonya, Sindel, Cage, Jade where buffed while others like: Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, Goro, Kintaro, Mileena, Kano, Baraka and Reptile were nerfed.

An example of buff, in the original timeline Sonya has a fight against Jarek and nearly loses, but in the new timeline she is able to beat Sub Zero, a man who defeated gods in the old timeline, Kitana and Jade, (Shao Kahn's personal assassins who have thousands of year of combat experience at same).

An example of nerf is Noob Saibot, in the original timeline he nearly kills Goro, defeats Sub Zero, and defeats Fujin. But in the new timeline loses to Kabal, even with the help of Mileena, loses to Kung Lao, Sub Zero (someone he had defeated in the original one) and is killed by Nightwolf.
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03/14/2015 04:18 PM (UTC)
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Cage and Blade witnessed firsthand how completely fucked things can turn out if they are not prepared. I'd imagine from the second they left the rooftop with Raiden after Shao Kahn's defeat they were engaged in endless intensive training, preparing for this exact day.
residentfan Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
While enjoying this thread, I am afraid that some of you might have missed the point : is there some logical explanation of why an underdog like Johnny Cage or Stryker or even Sonya, now can suddenly defeat Scorpion and Sub-Zero simultaneously or Quan Chi (as hinted in Sonya part of Cage family trailer)?

What happened in the meantime?



The only logical explanation I can come with is that a few characters like Stryker, Sonya, Sindel, Cage, Jade where buffed while others like: Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, Goro, Kintaro, Mileena, Kano, Baraka and Reptile were nerfed.

An example of buff, in the original timeline Sonya has a fight against Jarek and nearly loses, but in the new timeline she is able to beat Sub Zero, a man who defeated gods in the old timeline, Kitana and Jade, (Shao Kahn's personal assassins who have thousands of year of combat experience at same).

An example of nerf is Noob Saibot, in the original timeline he nearly kills Goro, defeats Sub Zero, and defeats Fujin. But in the new timeline loses to Kabal, even with the help of Mileena, loses to Kung Lao, Sub Zero (someone he had defeated in the original one) and is killed by Nightwolf.


Maybe your strength is proportionate to your morality most of the time and that's why evil keeps getting slept the punks they are.
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