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moneyguy
03/21/2015 01:56 AM (UTC)
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It's not a biased opinion, even Scorpion still surprises me when I see him shooting fireballs. And Quan Chi summoning a goddamn bat WTF? I feel like some variations are forced a bit. Mileena does have a teleport, but she never struck me as a teleporting-type. But I'm not complaining, I'm just glad they fixed her damn teeth, that's how she should have always looked imo.


Exactly.

I am a Mileena fan through and through, so questioning my rationale based on whether I am a fan or not is silly. I am strictly saying that NRS was clearly clueless or lazy in some of the variations and I believe that Mileena's is one of them.

I just don't see how her one 'teleporting' ability justifies having a whole variation 'dedicated' to it. For a character that we know was an empress at some point in the story I think they could have developed a variation dedicated to the power and regality that she represented at that point. If there ever was a time to give Mileena a couple new moves this was it.

I saw this from the outset. I don't think all characters receive the same treatment when it comes to their variations and I don't think it is doing anyone any justice.
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03/21/2015 02:03 AM (UTC)
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I don't see why anyone wouldn't like her Ethereal variation. It seems like it can be used to link more combos together, add tons of fast pressure and confusion, and the big one.. Get out of corners.
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03/21/2015 02:09 AM (UTC)
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moneyguy Wrote:

I just don't see how her one 'teleporting' ability justifies having a whole variation 'dedicated' to it. For a character that we know was an empress at some point in the story I think they could have developed a variation dedicated to the power and regality that she represented at that point.


So you're saying exploring her teleporting powers and developing them doesn't make sense, but giving her totally NEW powers (that we somehow never heard of up until now) does.....
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Legit!

Also please explain to me what exactly a "regality" variation would look like.
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03/21/2015 02:37 AM (UTC)
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projectzero00 Wrote:
moneyguy Wrote:

I just don't see how her one 'teleporting' ability justifies having a whole variation 'dedicated' to it. For a character that we know was an empress at some point in the story I think they could have developed a variation dedicated to the power and regality that she represented at that point.


So you're saying exploring her teleporting powers and developing them doesn't make sense, but giving her totally NEW powers (that we somehow never heard of up until now) does.....
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Legit!

Also please explain to me what exactly a "regality" variation would look like.


If they wanted to 'explore' her teleportation powers they could've very well done that. Fit it in somewhere else. To limit and base an entire variation to this additional teleport. No.

To the point of giving her new powers? Isn't it apparent that she would've had access to more 'abilities' or something enhancing her via the story mode? Am I asking for a radically new Mileena? Not at all. However with three variations this was an excellent time to do something (keyword) "varying" from the typical Mileena we see. I'm not even saying they HAD to do something different, but for sure they could've done more.

I understand that you don't necessarily want to understand, because there is no reason this point doesn't make sense. I'm not bashing Mileena, just saying that I see several places that NRS could have done more. I'd think that as a Mileena fan you'd get that. Praise the NRS gods for whatever though.
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03/21/2015 11:35 AM (UTC)
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moneyguy Wrote:
projectzero00 Wrote:
moneyguy Wrote:

I just don't see how her one 'teleporting' ability justifies having a whole variation 'dedicated' to it. For a character that we know was an empress at some point in the story I think they could have developed a variation dedicated to the power and regality that she represented at that point.


So you're saying exploring her teleporting powers and developing them doesn't make sense, but giving her totally NEW powers (that we somehow never heard of up until now) does.....
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Legit!

Also please explain to me what exactly a "regality" variation would look like.


If they wanted to 'explore' her teleportation powers they could've very well done that. Fit it in somewhere else. To limit and base an entire variation to this additional teleport. No.


I don't know why that would apply to Mileena and not several other characters they have done this with. Pretty much everyone. They have based their variations on a specific trait of their powers and enhanced their possibilities. Every.single.character. Sub Zero with his ice weapons, Raiden and his teleportation, Quan Chi and his portals, etc. I seriously don't understand what you mean by saying "fit it in somewhere else" and not one of her variations like they've done with the rest. By the same logic we can say they have "limited" all characters with their powers in the variations, and at this point you should basically be complaining about the variation system itself. Not Mileena.




To the point of giving her new powers? Isn't it apparent that she would've had access to more 'abilities' or something enhancing her via the story mode? Am I asking for a radically new Mileena? Not at all. However with three variations this was an excellent time to do something (keyword) "varying" from the typical Mileena we see. I'm not even saying they HAD to do something different, but for sure they could've done more.

I understand that you don't necessarily want to understand, because there is no reason this point doesn't make sense. I'm not bashing Mileena, just saying that I see several places that NRS could have done more. I'd think that as a Mileena fan you'd get that. Praise the NRS gods for whatever though.


Sorry but I am not the kind of fan who will complain about every single detail in the game. I am not that over the top Tanya fan who cries constantly about her exclusion, and then after I finally get her I cry about the shade of yellow that she wears *cough cough*
I am not "praising the NRS gods" as you're saying, I am just happy with Mileena's inclusion and what they've done with her in the variations. I really don't get where you're coming from and you obviously don't agree with my points so let's just agree to disagree on this.
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03/21/2015 12:18 PM (UTC)
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moneyguy Wrote:
projectzero00 Wrote:
moneyguy Wrote:

I just don't see how her one 'teleporting' ability justifies having a whole variation 'dedicated' to it. For a character that we know was an empress at some point in the story I think they could have developed a variation dedicated to the power and regality that she represented at that point.


So you're saying exploring her teleporting powers and developing them doesn't make sense, but giving her totally NEW powers (that we somehow never heard of up until now) does.....
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Legit!

Also please explain to me what exactly a "regality" variation would look like.


If they wanted to 'explore' her teleportation powers they could've very well done that. Fit it in somewhere else. To limit and base an entire variation to this additional teleport. No.

To the point of giving her new powers? Isn't it apparent that she would've had access to more 'abilities' or something enhancing her via the story mode? Am I asking for a radically new Mileena? Not at all. However with three variations this was an excellent time to do something (keyword) "varying" from the typical Mileena we see. I'm not even saying they HAD to do something different, but for sure they could've done more.

I understand that you don't necessarily want to understand, because there is no reason this point doesn't make sense. I'm not bashing Mileena, just saying that I see several places that NRS could have done more. I'd think that as a Mileena fan you'd get that. Praise the NRS gods for whatever though.


I like it. It will be a better way to counter people who are long range. Mileena can not combo after her air teleport so I'm assuming the sai teleport is better considering she disappears and can not be hit and after she can start a combo well the opponent is recovering.
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03/21/2015 12:40 PM (UTC)
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projectzero00 Wrote:
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I hate to make judgments before playing, but I don't think the ethereal variation is useful at all in MKX. MKX has a block button, so whether or not she's in front of you or behind I don't think it'll really create a mixup, since you'd block the same way anyway. Plus, using it to escape projectiles seems slightly difficult to do to the extent that jumping over them would be easier and make more sense, especially since the sai shows the person where Mileena will show up, and therefore she isn't as tricky as she seems to be.

So the ethereal variation I think is a dud low-tier one, even though some people are excited about it.

Does anyone else have any competitive speculation on that variation?

Also, I feel a little disappointed that she can no longer combo after a teleport drop, or that neither of her variations actually add any proper special moves, just new strings. She lost the only new move she's gained in years, so that Kitana could take it, and it makes no sense to me. But maybe her options are great in this game and they did that for an actual gameplay reason.


The ethereal variation mostly gives her mobility as they said. What I got from their descriptions is that you can add pressure to your opponent and confuse them. So you if you decide to end a combo mid-way (no pun intended) you can decide to teleport behind them and start a new one to add pressure and normal mixups. Even if your opponent blocks, you're still in their face adding pressure (hello Kabal) and have the opportunity to start a new one if your opponent guesses wrong.
You can't say that's useless since it was one of Raiden's main gimmicks in M9 and it worked. You still knew that he would teleport behind you but that didn't mean it was easy to work around. It was annoying as hell. And Mileena not only has that now, she has the ability to teleport to 2 different spots AND extend her teleports. I know you might feel iffy coz she's your fav and you want her to be amazing, but give it some time. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

As for her telekicks, what exactly do you mean? She could never combo after that, unless the opponent was in the air and you hit them with an air sai after the telekick.


Maybe it was just Derek dropping combos, but in the air, all except one of his telekicks didn't get a sai to hit after it. My main problem with the sai teleport is that it looks slow as hell, and that the EX version makes it faster but using meter for something like that is not advisable. Raiden's teleport is much, much faster.

Plus, I have a huge gripe with the new strings not being special moves, because it probably means they won't be brutalities. But that's a small complaint and I'm probably being a little too picky.

Also the people saying that they 'clearly' couldn't come up with variations for Mileena are funny to me. I mean, three characters in the game get variations based on other characters but when Mileena gets a new power somehow it's that they couldn't think of how to give her a third variation? Nah.
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03/21/2015 12:59 PM (UTC)
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EcstasyTuesday Wrote:
I don't see why anyone wouldn't like her Ethereal variation. It seems like it can be used to link more combos together, add tons of fast pressure and confusion, and the big one.. Get out of corners.

Oh look, It's Ian. Nice to see you here finally. Took almost all of mkx's production for you to show up...
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03/21/2015 03:12 PM (UTC)
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projectzero00 Wrote:
I don't know why that would apply to Mileena and not several other characters they have done this with. Pretty much everyone. They have based their variations on a specific trait of their powers and enhanced their possibilities. Every.single.character. Sub Zero with his ice weapons, Raiden and his teleportation, Quan Chi and his portals, etc. I seriously don't understand what you mean by saying "fit it in somewhere else" and not one of her variations like they've done with the rest. By the same logic we can say they have "limited" all characters with their powers in the variations, and at this point you should basically be complaining about the variation system itself. Not Mileena.

Sorry but I am not the kind of fan who will complain about every single detail in the game. I am not that over the top Tanya fan who cries constantly about her exclusion, and then after I finally get her I cry about the shade of yellow that she wears *cough cough*
I am not "praising the NRS gods" as you're saying, I am just happy with Mileena's inclusion and what they've done with her in the variations. I really don't get where you're coming from and you obviously don't agree with my points so let's just agree to disagree on this.


What I meant by 'fit it somewhere else' was, that this 'exploration' of her teleportation powers has left us with something so simple it could've been implemented somewhere else.

I said it previously that the same idea applies to other characters. I've also stated that I am not Mileena bashing, that what has happened here I feel, was a failure of the variation system. I am saying some characters (as you mentioned Sub Zero/Raiden) have three variations that are extremely character oriented, detailed, and vary completely across the board. It can even be said that for some characters; Raiden a prime example again, although all of his variations are based around being a thunder god, he still has a higher degree of variance among his variations than Mileena and other characters. I feel like NRS settled for some (many more) characters rather than demonstrate the same amount of creativity for them all.

I don't feel like I am complaining, I am critiquing the creators and what they have done to the gameplay. I love the series and I think as a buyer (Undoubtedly, even if I am not completely satisfied with the variation system or the roster) I should be able to express how I feel about the new mechanics. I have been critiquing the variation system since it was revealed. Remember whatever we get is what we are stuck with until the next MK release.

I too am happy with Mileena's inclusion and look forward playing as the empress even if it is with just one of two of her variations.
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03/21/2015 05:10 PM (UTC)
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Listen moneyguy, you apparently haven't learned that you don't assert your opinion as fact then try and justify said opinion by going "but guys I'm allowed to have an opinion right?" It's circular, and a waste of time. If your FIRST post would've been worded like your last post (with some more tact) then people might actually care what you have to say.
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03/21/2015 05:25 PM (UTC)
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EcstasyTuesday Wrote:
I don't see why anyone wouldn't like her Ethereal variation. It seems like it can be used to link more combos together, add tons of fast pressure and confusion, and the big one.. Get out of corners.

Oh look, It's Ian. Nice to see you here finally. Took almost all of mkx's production for you to show up...

Hey what's up, how have you been? I've been here following everything, just not posting. Games sick.
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03/22/2015 06:30 AM (UTC)
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Watching the animation of her new teleport move,

I wish that she had a move with the same animation (throwing sai on the ground), I wish that she would throw her sai at her opponents feet for a stun attack, pinning them
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03/22/2015 03:22 PM (UTC)
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Moneyguy definitley got a point. Ethereal variation lacks personaliity, a little bland. Just a move for that variation? That teleport moving forward and backward give some personality to Mileena? I don't think so, and it's frustrating.

But neither Piercing or Ravenous are the same. Both variation looks extremely mileena-ishm and that's something the Mileena's fans are waiting.
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03/23/2015 02:10 AM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
Listen moneyguy, you apparently haven't learned that you don't assert your opinion as fact then try and justify said opinion by going "but guys I'm allowed to have an opinion right?" It's circular, and a waste of time. If your FIRST post would've been worded like your last post (with some more tact) then people might actually care what you have to say.


mmmmm but I never stated anything as fact. I agreed with another user about a point that was up for discussion. I also don't see what is circular in me clarifying why I considered myself critiquing the game, versus someone labeling my opinion as simple complaining.

Here is a fact; after reading your tactless post, from this point forward I no longer care what you have to say.
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03/24/2015 08:09 PM (UTC)
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mkmileena Wrote:
Watching the animation of her new teleport move,

I wish that she had a move with the same animation (throwing sai on the ground), I wish that she would throw her sai at her opponents feet for a stun attack, pinning them


I like this idea. Could fit well in her piercing variation.
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03/24/2015 08:21 PM (UTC)
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I love this variation, and think it'll be the only I would play.

Anyone come up with the idea that maybe she's granted this Ethereal power through Shinnok's amulet or whatever she was referring to in the "Steal my means of reclaiming the throne" line?
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03/24/2015 08:34 PM (UTC)
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KrayzieCyrax Wrote:
I love this variation, and think it'll be the only I would play.

Anyone come up with the idea that maybe she's granted this Ethereal power through Shinnok's amulet or whatever she was referring to in the "Steal my means of reclaiming the throne" line?


Who knows. Some think it's an expansion of the power she had already, but I think it could come from the amulet. Either way I think there should've been more.
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03/24/2015 09:01 PM (UTC)
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Well she could always teleport and manipulate her sais with energy or magic or whatever she does in her projectiles so I think this is just her using in in a different way.
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03/24/2015 10:09 PM (UTC)
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Well she could always teleport and manipulate her sais with energy or magic or whatever she does in her projectiles so I think this is just her using in in a different way.


I agree... I for one LOVE all the variations I've seen, gameplay wise and the little visual nuance each one has... To go along with beautiful character models, backgrounds and special effects.... My head is about to explode!!!!
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03/24/2015 10:16 PM (UTC)
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It is fair to say some elements/influences of Injustice have been carried over to MKX. So long as MKX still plays, looks, and feels like and MK, I am dandy with that. You learn as you go with each game you create, and its smart to stick with what works, but expand upon new ideas in the next game; that is how sequels often work.
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03/24/2015 11:09 PM (UTC)
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It feels like they had to reach real far to find 3 variations for her.


It seems like they are reaching for a lot of the older characters ......
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