Lots of people die. . .
Lots of people die. . .
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posted12/11/2014 02:29 AM (UTC)byjohnny_cage_winAbout Me
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When I read Shaun Himmerick's comments about lots of characters dying, I immediately thought of two things: Raiden's role has been described as "not as prominent" (meaning when the Netherealm attacks, he could die), and that Kotal Kahn will "rise and fall" in MKX. Sounds to me like the Netherealm might actually win, killing a good chunk of the Outworld AND Earth heroes, leaving only a few and the next generation (Cassie?) to try to restore their realms. I'm pretty sure that the boot teaser has a bandaged Liu Kang foot in it--and if he's a revenant, this wouldn't be so un believable.
DarkenedSoul •12/09/2014 02:34 PM (UTC) •
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Sure hope Raiden does finally die. Kotal won't die, he will return in MKXI.
Sindel798 •12/09/2014 03:17 PM (UTC) •
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If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
Blade4693 •12/09/2014 03:53 PM (UTC) •
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It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
DarkenedSoul •12/09/2014 04:00 PM (UTC) •
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Blade4693 Wrote:
It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
He has no sleeves
Sindel798 Wrote:
If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
New timeline yo. Things that transpired in the old timeline, may not be intact in the new one.
Blade4693 •12/09/2014 04:04 PM (UTC) •
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DarkenedSoul Wrote:
He has no sleeves
New timeline yo. Things that transpired in the old timeline, may not be intact in the new one.
Blade4693 Wrote:
It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
He has no sleeves
Sindel798 Wrote:
If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
New timeline yo. Things that transpired in the old timeline, may not be intact in the new one.
Lol he used to
DarkenedSoul •12/09/2014 04:10 PM (UTC) •
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Blade4693 Wrote:
Lol he used to
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
He has no sleeves
New timeline yo. Things that transpired in the old timeline, may not be intact in the new one.
Blade4693 Wrote:
It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
It's Quan Chi's turn to die. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has something up his sleeve for when that day comes, probably some crazy voodoo that makes it so he can come back or escape the NR when he dies.
He has no sleeves
Sindel798 Wrote:
If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
If Raiden dies, he will return right away. Look what happened in Deception. Raiden committed suicide and the returned as Dark Raiden right away.
New timeline yo. Things that transpired in the old timeline, may not be intact in the new one.
Lol he used to
True, but way back in MK4.
OhYesMar$h •12/09/2014 04:58 PM (UTC) •
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They ALL should be dead. What the Hell was the point of Mortal Kombat:Armegeddon and MK:9 ?
From this point on, we should have an entirely brand new Mortal Kombat game with ALL new characters. A new generation.
From this point on, we should have an entirely brand new Mortal Kombat game with ALL new characters. A new generation.
I used to be one of the fans that wanted to hold on to all the classic characters, I felt that if they were not in any Mortal Kombat game it wouldn't be the same.
After Armageddon and the lackluster storyline in killing off a lot of classic characters I respected, I'm okay with the fact of having a revamped game with a whole new roster of characters.
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
After Armageddon and the lackluster storyline in killing off a lot of classic characters I respected, I'm okay with the fact of having a revamped game with a whole new roster of characters.
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
Grizzle Wrote:
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
Zero_Jade •12/09/2014 08:01 PM (UTC) •
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OhYesMar$h Wrote:
They ALL should be dead. What the Hell was the point of Mortal Kombat:Armegeddon and MK:9 ?
From this point on, we should have an entirely brand new Mortal Kombat game with ALL new characters. A new generation.
They ALL should be dead. What the Hell was the point of Mortal Kombat:Armegeddon and MK:9 ?
From this point on, we should have an entirely brand new Mortal Kombat game with ALL new characters. A new generation.
From a story perspective maybe. But remember they need to sell these games. A game full of new characters and replacements isn't going to do half as well as one full of fan favourites. It'll upset a lot of the fans, I think a 50/50 split is the closest we would ever get to a 'new' cast. Look to Soul Calibur V as an example of how not to do it.
Omegali2422 •12/09/2014 08:42 PM (UTC) •
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cpleck Wrote:
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
Grizzle Wrote:
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
I don't understand by what you mean of "have the deaths actually mean something this time around". Sindel killing left and right, while rather shocking of how she dispelled some of Earth's greatest warriors with relative ease, had a purpose. You may not have liked how it was done, hell I would've liked to keep Kuai Liang around and one or two other ones from her onslaught, but the purpose was there: annihilate all enemies of Shao Kahn. That's it! There shouldn't have to be a deeper meaning in their deaths, it's Mortal Kombat after all. A tournament (at least in the beginning it was) where fighting other opponents will have a consequence of dying.
Now if you were to argue about Liu Kang at the end of the game seemingly dying senselessly from a combination of his fire attack and Raiden's electricity to have some meaning, I would agree with you there. His death(?) wasn't because Raiden and Liu Kang were on opposite sides of the tournament, they were allies and Raiden finally learned the truth of how to eliminate Kahn, but he was reckless in stopping Kang. That's a death that should have more meaning in the next game, because Kang has historically been the MK Franchise's hero, and you don't simply kill off someone like that without some consequences later on (which I'm sure we will find out in the next game).
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
Omegali2422 Wrote:
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
Amen.
Not all deaths need to be slow-motion, cinematics of dramatic heroism. Sometimes, death is just quick, mundane, and uneventful, and sometimes it should be that way.
Tbh, looking back on it ~3 years later, I kind of admire that scene now. It was systematic, a little cold, and definitely without any fanfare. She just came in and, well, killed them (although, it begs the question, if Sindel could be "amp'd up" to that level power, then why the fuck didn't Shao Khan just do that in the first place? ).
Omegali2422 Wrote:
I don't understand by what you mean of "have the deaths actually mean something this time around". Sindel killing left and right, while rather shocking of how she dispelled some of Earth's greatest warriors with relative ease, had a purpose. You may not have liked how it was done, hell I would've liked to keep Kuai Liang around and one or two other ones from her onslaught, but the purpose was there: annihilate all enemies of Shao Kahn. That's it! There shouldn't have to be a deeper meaning in their deaths, it's Mortal Kombat after all. A tournament (at least in the beginning it was) where fighting other opponents will have a consequence of dying.
Now if you were to argue about Liu Kang at the end of the game seemingly dying senselessly from a combination of his fire attack and Raiden's electricity to have some meaning, I would agree with you there. His death(?) wasn't because Raiden and Liu Kang were on opposite sides of the tournament, they were allies and Raiden finally learned the truth of how to eliminate Kahn, but he was reckless in stopping Kang. That's a death that should have more meaning in the next game, because Kang has historically been the MK Franchise's hero, and you don't simply kill off someone like that without some consequences later on (which I'm sure we will find out in the next game).
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
cpleck Wrote:
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
Grizzle Wrote:
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
I don't understand by what you mean of "have the deaths actually mean something this time around". Sindel killing left and right, while rather shocking of how she dispelled some of Earth's greatest warriors with relative ease, had a purpose. You may not have liked how it was done, hell I would've liked to keep Kuai Liang around and one or two other ones from her onslaught, but the purpose was there: annihilate all enemies of Shao Kahn. That's it! There shouldn't have to be a deeper meaning in their deaths, it's Mortal Kombat after all. A tournament (at least in the beginning it was) where fighting other opponents will have a consequence of dying.
Now if you were to argue about Liu Kang at the end of the game seemingly dying senselessly from a combination of his fire attack and Raiden's electricity to have some meaning, I would agree with you there. His death(?) wasn't because Raiden and Liu Kang were on opposite sides of the tournament, they were allies and Raiden finally learned the truth of how to eliminate Kahn, but he was reckless in stopping Kang. That's a death that should have more meaning in the next game, because Kang has historically been the MK Franchise's hero, and you don't simply kill off someone like that without some consequences later on (which I'm sure we will find out in the next game).
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
I think he meant give the deaths some actual dramatic weight instead of doing what they did in the Sindel Massacre scene. She was just dishing out blows left and right to beloved characters and having them fall by the wayside. It was so casual you couldn't even be sure that's what was going on all the time until Raiden went to confront Quan Chi.
DarkenedSoul •12/09/2014 09:48 PM (UTC) •
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coltess Wrote:
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Sure hope Raiden does finally die. Kotal won't die, he will return in MKXI.
I hope they don't call it that. Sure hope Raiden does finally die. Kotal won't die, he will return in MKXI.
They probably won't, but it will still be the 11th installment in the series.
johnny_cage_win •12/09/2014 11:59 PM (UTC) •
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I'm going to go ahead and point this out again as well: Torr has reminded me of a brainless Jax for some time. I think Torr's a revenant, even if he isn't a character we've seen before.
johnny_cage_win Wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and point this out again as well: Torr has reminded me of a brainless Jax for some time. I think Torr's a revenant, even if he isn't a character we've seen before.
I'm going to go ahead and point this out again as well: Torr has reminded me of a brainless Jax for some time. I think Torr's a revenant, even if he isn't a character we've seen before.
That's a very interesting theory, we difinitely don't know if Ferra and Torr have the same origin, maybe Ferra just happen to found him.
KenshiMaster16 •12/10/2014 05:51 AM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
Just hope Quan Chi gets it, whether it's in the beginning, middle or the end of the story.
Just hope Quan Chi gets it, whether it's in the beginning, middle or the end of the story.
I second this. It's time Quan Chi sits out a game.
Onaga Wrote:
I think he meant give the deaths some actual dramatic weight instead of doing what they did in the Sindel Massacre scene. She was just dishing out blows left and right to beloved characters and having them fall by the wayside. It was so casual you couldn't even be sure that's what was going on all the time until Raiden went to confront Quan Chi.
Omegali2422 Wrote:
I don't understand by what you mean of "have the deaths actually mean something this time around". Sindel killing left and right, while rather shocking of how she dispelled some of Earth's greatest warriors with relative ease, had a purpose. You may not have liked how it was done, hell I would've liked to keep Kuai Liang around and one or two other ones from her onslaught, but the purpose was there: annihilate all enemies of Shao Kahn. That's it! There shouldn't have to be a deeper meaning in their deaths, it's Mortal Kombat after all. A tournament (at least in the beginning it was) where fighting other opponents will have a consequence of dying.
Now if you were to argue about Liu Kang at the end of the game seemingly dying senselessly from a combination of his fire attack and Raiden's electricity to have some meaning, I would agree with you there. His death(?) wasn't because Raiden and Liu Kang were on opposite sides of the tournament, they were allies and Raiden finally learned the truth of how to eliminate Kahn, but he was reckless in stopping Kang. That's a death that should have more meaning in the next game, because Kang has historically been the MK Franchise's hero, and you don't simply kill off someone like that without some consequences later on (which I'm sure we will find out in the next game).
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
cpleck Wrote:
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
Grizzle Wrote:
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
So whoever dies, dies, there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope, and it's light hope that each character's death in this game actually has a meaning and actually progresses the story. The whole Sindel treatment was lame.
I couldn't agree more with this. The way they handled the Sindel scene in MK9 was pretty anticlimactic. Have the deaths actually mean something this time around.
I don't understand by what you mean of "have the deaths actually mean something this time around". Sindel killing left and right, while rather shocking of how she dispelled some of Earth's greatest warriors with relative ease, had a purpose. You may not have liked how it was done, hell I would've liked to keep Kuai Liang around and one or two other ones from her onslaught, but the purpose was there: annihilate all enemies of Shao Kahn. That's it! There shouldn't have to be a deeper meaning in their deaths, it's Mortal Kombat after all. A tournament (at least in the beginning it was) where fighting other opponents will have a consequence of dying.
Now if you were to argue about Liu Kang at the end of the game seemingly dying senselessly from a combination of his fire attack and Raiden's electricity to have some meaning, I would agree with you there. His death(?) wasn't because Raiden and Liu Kang were on opposite sides of the tournament, they were allies and Raiden finally learned the truth of how to eliminate Kahn, but he was reckless in stopping Kang. That's a death that should have more meaning in the next game, because Kang has historically been the MK Franchise's hero, and you don't simply kill off someone like that without some consequences later on (which I'm sure we will find out in the next game).
Bottom line is, it doesn't bother me that Kuai Liang, Stryker, Jax, Jade, Kitana, even Kung Lao (I have to admit that the Shao Kahn head twist was very WTF), and their deaths don't need additional "meaning" when clearly they are no longer defending Earthrealm but rather they are now revenants of Quan Chi and do his bidding. Depending on how NRS writes up the overall game storyline, I say this sounds pretty badass.
I think he meant give the deaths some actual dramatic weight instead of doing what they did in the Sindel Massacre scene. She was just dishing out blows left and right to beloved characters and having them fall by the wayside. It was so casual you couldn't even be sure that's what was going on all the time until Raiden went to confront Quan Chi.
That's the point I was trying to convey. I'm not saying give each character an epic death sequence like Willem Dafoe in Platoon over here, but it would make the story more rich if so-and-so's death has consequences to the rest of the plot. For example, In MK3, Kung Lao's apparent death gave Liu Kang the rage and strength needed to finally beat Shao Kahn. Kitana's death at the end of Deadly Alliance gave Mileena the opportunity to pose as her and command Edenia's armies. Frost's death represented Sub-Zero's guilt in failure as a mentor, but it also prevented him from being at the final events of Deadly Alliance and let to his allegiance with Kenshi in Deception. Sheeva's death in the bios of Deadly Alliance gave us a glimpse on how deceptive and cunning Kano was in being a survivor when he convinced her to attack Shao Kahn. This also resulted in him being promoted in the ranks of Shao Kahn which led him to be present during the assault on Shao Kahn and his actions in agreeing to command armies for Shang Tsung and Quan Chi later. Do you see where I'm coming from?
These are things that I want to see happen after someone dies, because honestly a punch in the face or a heel in someone's throat and then we don't see what happens after that don't cut it for me, because for most of these plot points and deaths back in the arcade days, we only really had the opportunity to envision them through a still screen with a short story for us to read after each installment of MK. I know I'm not the only one as a kid that grabbed a bag of chips and kept watching the title screen of MK2 without hitting start so I can read all the bios. In this day and age, you have cut scenes now, full dialogue, and voice actors to completely animate the story. One of the things that has always brought me back to Mortal Kombat was the rich mythology and complexity to certain characters. There is so much potential in the story and that's why I go back to the whole Sindel scene because that basically wiped the slate clean and turned most of our heroes into zombies. This move was already done during Deception where Onaga resurrected the likes of Kung Lao, Cage, Jax, Sonya, and Kitana and used them as puppets. I just want to approach the writers and be like c'mon guys you can do much better than that.
DarkenedSoul •12/10/2014 04:49 PM (UTC) •
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KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
I second this. It's time Quan Chi sits out a game.
Icebaby Wrote:
Just hope Quan Chi gets it, whether it's in the beginning, middle or the end of the story.
Just hope Quan Chi gets it, whether it's in the beginning, middle or the end of the story.
I second this. It's time Quan Chi sits out a game.
He did in MKD
martin_m95 •12/10/2014 06:02 PM (UTC) •
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DarkenedSoul Wrote:
He did in MKD
KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
I second this. It's time Quan Chi sits out a game.
Icebaby Wrote:
Just hope Quan Chi gets it, whether it's in the beginning, middle or the end of the story.
Just hope Quan Chi gets it, whether it's in the beginning, middle or the end of the story.
I second this. It's time Quan Chi sits out a game.
He did in MKD
You obviously haven't beaten the MKD Konquest mode.
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