IMO, you can include Daegon without Taven because he has a lot going on already with the Red Dragon stuff.

The opposite is not true as Taven's role is directly linked with Daegon and the battle of armageddon. As a hero it's his only purpose and any other threat wouldn't need him as we got plenty of heroes around already.

I have to agree. After MKA, Daegon pushed my no.2 favorite scorpion to 3rd place, and he is now my 2nd best kharacter. I LOVED his specials, which you can use it per every situation. Escape, sneaky speed moves, and what not. Compared to Taven, whom I felt well.... Boring.

I highly doubt neither will make it as playable kharacter, but I have high hopes for Daegon if he returns.

I definitely wouldn't mind Daegon making a return, a nice updated look and some new moves would work wonders for him.

As mentioned above Taven's story revolves around Daegon, not vice versa so I see no reason Taven would have to return too. Just leave him sleeping for now :)

Unfortunately though, I do think the reason Daegon is being bigged up in the comic is to kill him and possibly the entire Red Dragon off :(

Gameplay Wise: When it comes to the redoing 3D characters, I would throw out all their gameplay (as it sucked in those days) and break them down to their core.

What is this characters story?
What is this characters theme?

He's the son of Edenia's Protector God on a quest to prove he deserves to take up his father's mantle. His special abilities all involve fire

Maybe make him more like Pyro where he can control flames (and also make them.) Story: He may have been waken prematurely and Daegon may be dead by then. Depends on where they are going with the Red Dragon.

Taven has the power of time.

I think after seeing the 2011 story with Raiden contacting his past self, I think it should've been Taven who could've done that if future Raiden gave him his amulet to do that.

Maybe now save Taven until the next comic. If it'll tell about Onaga or some other new threat.

I think we can have Deagon without Taven. Since things are obviously not panning out the same way they originally it could more than likely be done. NRS could make it so Daegon does something to prevent Taven's awakening, possibly even kill him before he is woken up in the first place.

Actually, I could see Raiden waking up Taven prematurely not just to deal with Daegon, but to get an additional ally. Raiden's short of heroes right now, so having a strong warrior like Taven on his side would do him wonders.

Plus, I could see Raiden pull a Shinnok and manipulate Taven. Taven, having been out of the game for so long, would have no reason to doubt Raiden, and wouln't realize that Raiden's lost so many allies.

In fact, if Shinnok does return, both he and Raiden could try to manipulate Taven.

So while I agree with you that Daegon doesn't need Taven, I also disagree that Taven couldn't have a purpose without Daegon. My suggested story above would allow for Taven to exist a little more independently from Daegon. Of course, if they both return, it'd be a mistake not to have them interact with one another.

Plus right now Taven has no home realm. Edenia is still merged to Outworld.

If awakened early, Taven should be the best choice to free Edenia from Outworld.

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Then Taven would have a reason and a huge role.

I am hoping to see Daegon.

As for Taven, I could go another game without him. However, if he is in MKX, it wouldn't hurt me at all.

I actually would love a Daegon&Taven tag team, but NRS screwed that up by not continuing tag battles in this next game.

I don't think Daegon will be in the game since there's no red dragon faction for online play.

Despite playing a role in the comic.

Taven has some of the coolest specials in mka tbh. He's been my favorite protagonist thus far.

I would actually love to see em both back. Chances are slim though

Both are great.

Daegon more, especially if the NRS team relates to the Ancient Gods on Earthrealm.

From at least 2300 BC, Dagan (Daegon) was the head of the city pantheon comprising some 200 deities and bore the titles BE-DINGIR-DINGIR, "Lord of the gods" and Bekalam, "Lord of the land", “Lord of Canaan”

The game only says he was awakened centuries ago after Caro lost mental contact with Blaze. Blaze's enslaving was probably Shinnok's doing, so as to arrange the murder of Protector Argus and have Shao Kahn win the invasion war in Edenia, weakening the Elder Gods. Daegon was probably awakened 10.000 years ago, shortly after his burial, merely days or months later. Immediately afterward, Shinnok used his Amulet and waged the war that destroyed most of the saurians in Earthrealm, but Taven still remembers him as an Elder God. Shinnok exaggerates his imprisonment in the Netherealm as eons, but the MK4 intro tells us there have passed only thousands of years.

The Taven-Kitana-Daegon relationship is also something very interesting, as they may have grown up at the same time in the first phase of the war with Outworld after the loss of the 10th MK tournament, Argus and Delia talking about Shao Kahn's forces in the Armageddon konquest first scene and Taven mentioning that Kahn had launched an unsuccessful invasion of Edenia, in which he and his brother and father fought his forces.

Couple this with the fact that a Kitana-Rain closeness during his days in the Edenian Resistance fighting the invaders is mentioned in related MK media (the Conquest series) and slightly alluded to in Rain's MKT ending, the demigod brothers Taven and Daegon should have very interesting ties with other characters in the games from and in the proximity of the Edenian royal family and deities 10.000 years ago: Kitana, Rain, Sindel, Jade, Tanya, Ermac (many souls), Fujin, Raiden.

They remind me of Castor and Pollux, great concept

I doubt that if Daegon comes back, we'll have to see Taven. But even if Taven comes back, they better sure fix him. I hated him. I thought he was the most boring character, he even made conquest seem not fun because of his blandness.

I'd rather see Daegon more than Taven.

I would Love to see both of them return. I would even accept if they shared the same roster spot, being alternate skins of one another. Just like the 2 Green Lanterns in Injustice and the SubZero Bros in MK9. Taven & Daegon are both pyrokinetic demigods. They even use an identical sword. Then we wouldn't waste that spot that could go to someone else.

Taven VS Rain is something I've been waiting for. Brother vs Brother, Fire vs Water.

Oh and just becuz there is no Red Dragon faction for online mode, doesn't mean anything. There is no Shirai Ryu faction either, yet Scorpion is still in the game. And possibly Takeda.

Aw, such lack of love for Taven. I'm the other way around. I feel like Taven is as important if not more important than Deagon. He was the main character of Armageddon, and after his bro goes nuts, it's up to him to set things right. While he is not responsible for Deagon's actions, it seems most fitting that he is the one to clean up his mess. (Sibling rivalries rock!)

It would make no sense to me if they reintroduce Deagon but not Taven considering how connected they are. His moves sets were pretty good to me. And as someone else said he could act as a leader of the Edenian resistance. And dont forget these two are Rain's brothers and they all have yet to find out. There is so much that Taven can do. He doesn't have to be limited to the role of stopping Armageddon.

I'm sure they could. But they'd have to have Taven wake up eventually, or have a reason that he doesn't.

Honestly though I think Daegon, Mavado, and the red dragon will all be slaughtered in the comics.

Give Taven earth bending powers, since it's unlikely Tremor will be included.

Neither of them should return

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I wouldn't think so seeing how he was active and major player in the events of earth for a long time while Taven was still in a coma.

If Daegon is back, so is Taven.

It just depends on whether Daegon has already killed him, or if he's still sleeping. Maybe not much of them in the game, but it'll most likely play out in the comics.

Yes we can't have one without the other plus my 1st born son's name is Taven :)

Daegan Can be back for years without Taven being here, Taven will only wake when Armageddon will be here. daegan has already been alive for thousands of years.