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05/16/2015 09:40 PM (UTC)
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Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
The real question is, was Quan Chi ever a cute, and innocent baby?


Yep.
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The_TooCool_Master
05/16/2015 09:52 PM (UTC)
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Shang Tsung makes the matches. Clearly he wouldn't pour Bo' Rai Cho against his guys.
Garlador Wrote:
Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
The real question is, was Quan Chi ever a cute, and innocent baby?


Yep.

They should have added Quan Chi's mom into the game.
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SJWMegatron
05/16/2015 11:19 PM (UTC)
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From Raiden and Quan Chi's dialog, they suggest he is a sorcerer that learned how to traverse the realms before meeting Shinnok and Joining the Brotherhood of Shadow.

As for who fights for who during the Tournament: The Lin Kuei were fighting for Outworld. Where your from doesn't matter. And it isn't just Earthrealm souls that go to the Netherrealm. I know there was that line about Earthrealm souls going to Netherrealm and Quan Chi getting all the souls of people who perish in the Tournament, but considering how many Edenians are there now I don't think the Nether is Earthrealm's personal dead people dumping ground.

Espeically considering how often people go from dead to alive to Enenra to wraith to evil undead bride.

Also please ignore Raiden's excuses for Bo' Rai Cho's debilitating alcoholism.
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05/16/2015 11:48 PM (UTC)
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SJWMegatron Wrote:
From Raiden and Quan Chi's dialog, they suggest he is a sorcerer that learned how to traverse the realms before meeting Shinnok and Joining the Brotherhood of Shadow.

No contradiction with MKX bio.
He's a demon sorcerer who met Shinnok and later formed the Brotherhood of Shadow in his service.

As for who fights for who during the Tournament: The Lin Kuei were fighting for Outworld. Where your from doesn't matter.

Yes, it does matter. It's a huge problem, in fact.
The Earthrealm/Outworld tournaments are supposed to be between denizens of those two realms and those two realms alone, and your victories (as an Earthrealmer) will count toward your realm (Earthrealm,) regardless of who's lining your pocket with money and hiring you to fight. (In the old timeline, the Lin Kuei were not even present, and Sub-Zero was only there to assassinate Shang Tsung.)
Otherwise, Bo' Rai Cho would've fought for Earthrealm and there wouldn't have been any problem. He could've been fighting for Earthrealm for centuries if that was plausible. Instead, he has to train Earthrealmers to fight in his stead, or else he'd be helping Outworld conquer Earthrealm.

Again, unless your realm is subjugated (like Kitana and Reptile) or you bind your soul to someone else from another realm (Shang Tsung and Shao Kahn,) which the Lin Kuei and Netherrealmers did not do, they shouldn't be participating in the tournament.

Had they shown the thug Netherrealms/Lin Kuei jumping Earthrealmers away from the battlegrounds (as they did, like, once with Kano,) that would've been fine, but Shang Tsung puts them into the official Earthrealm vs. Outworld bracket (two-on-one in many cases.)

Hell, Fujin should've just jumped in on Earthrealm's behalf, too, if it's just a free-for-all (as MK9 made it seem.)

Where your from doesn't matter. And it isn't just Earthrealm souls that go to the Netherrealm.

Yeah. Drahmin and Reiko gave hint to that long ago. Nobody said the Netherrealm was just for Earthrealm dead.
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SJWMegatron
05/16/2015 11:55 PM (UTC)
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From Raiden and Quan Chi's dialog, they suggest he is a sorcerer that learned how to traverse the realms before meeting Shinnok and Joining the Brotherhood of Shadow.

As for who fights for who during the Tournament: The Lin Kuei were fighting for Outworld. Where your from doesn't matter. And it isn't just Earthrealm souls that go to the Netherrealm. I know there was that line about Earthrealm souls going to Netherrealm and Quan Chi getting all the souls of people who perish in the Tournament, but considering how many Edenians are there now I don't think the Nether is Earthrealm's personal dead people dumping ground.

Espeically considering how often people go from dead to alive to Enenra to wraith to evil undead bride.

Also please ignore Raiden's excuses for Bo' Rai Cho's debilitating alcoholism.
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05/17/2015 10:33 AM (UTC)
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He's from Michigan
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05/17/2015 04:33 PM (UTC)
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Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
The real question is, was Quan Chi ever a cute, and innocent baby?

Nope.
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05/17/2015 10:48 PM (UTC)
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Don't know. I'm not sure where the inspiration for him came from either. We know that Shang Tsung was originally an Earthrealm sorcerer and his inspiration was more than likely the old man from Big Trouble In Little China. For Quan Chi I am unsure where the inspiration came from and he doesn't have a huge back story other than being a Netherrealm sorcerer that worships Shinnok.
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SJWMegatron
05/18/2015 06:35 AM (UTC)
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"Bo Rai Cho couldn't compete because he's not an Earthling"

He *didn't* compete because Raiden only chose the best warriors to compete in the tournament. The more competitors, the better chances for Outworld.

As shown in MK9, Raiden only selected TWO warriors to compete. Liu Kang and Nightwolf. Kung Liao snuck onto the Island. Jax & Sonya ended up there looking for Kano. And Shang Tsung invited Johnny Cage because he assumed he sucked and he knew the worse the median the better for his side.

And again, the Lin Kuei and Kano were Earthrealm warriors fighting for Outworld. Where you're from doesn't matter.
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05/18/2015 06:42 AM (UTC)
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Warriors from the defending realm may betray and fight for the aggressor. Victories of warriors from the aggressive realm can only count for their realm.

Solved.
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05/18/2015 07:46 AM (UTC)
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SJWMegatron Wrote:
"Bo Rai Cho couldn't compete because he's not an Earthling"

He *didn't* compete because Raiden only chose the best warriors to compete in the tournament. The more competitors, the better chances for Outworld.

As shown in MK9, Raiden only selected TWO warriors to compete. Liu Kang and Nightwolf. Kung Liao snuck onto the Island. Jax & Sonya ended up there looking for Kano. And Shang Tsung invited Johnny Cage because he assumed he sucked and he knew the worse the median the better for his side.

And again, the Lin Kuei and Kano were Earthrealm warriors fighting for Outworld. Where you're from doesn't matter.


The Lin Kuei were there to assasinate or defeat the actual fighters. If one of them would reach the finals they would just probably say "I forfeit" without fighting.

Kano basically didn't fight in the Tournament. He was there to work in the background.
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05/18/2015 07:48 AM (UTC)
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SJWMegatron Wrote:
"Bo Rai Cho couldn't compete because he's not an Earthling"
He *didn't* compete because Raiden only chose the best warriors to compete in the tournament.

Oh, so Bo' Rai Cho isn't an incredibly skilled warrior that trained champions like Liu Kang and Kung Lao to fight in his stead...?

And again, the Lin Kuei and Kano were Earthrealm warriors fighting for Outworld. Where you're from doesn't matter.

From Bo' Rai Cho's biography:
"Bo' Rai Cho had been unable to compete against Shang Tsung in the Mortal Kombat tournament on Earth. His Outworld birthplace guaranteed that his victory would have been in the name of Shao Kahn."

Try offering actual evidence to your claims rather than just spouting off misinformation and opinion.
Edit: Yes, SJWMegatron, you are such a thoughtful poster, offering absolutely no source for your bold claims in other places.
MK9 made a serious error in depicting the tournament. That error makes other characters (like Bo) look indecisive and or lazy.
Stop giving shitty writing a pass.
Konsidering ``Quan Chi`` means bad energy, he may`ve just congealed into existence in the Netherrealm. Like Janemba, but didn`t have a jolly stage.

If Bo won the tourney, his victory would count to Outworld, but why couldn`t he just beat the Outworld enforcers, n hired goons.

Maybe Shang would rig the match setups, like in MK9, so Bo wouldn`t fight Outworld, having to forfeit to Earthrealm fighters or risk eliminating them, which would be aiding Outworld.



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05/18/2015 04:30 PM (UTC)
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Bo Rai Cho couldn't fight for Earth Realm because he was created as a character at a time AFTER the tournaments were story relevant, so they had to come up with a reason for his absence in the past. Does it open up a plot hole? You bet!

The rules of the Mortal Kombat tournament are written with the same precision that the plastics use to decide who can and can't sit at their table. Regina is Shang, and whatever she or he says at any given moment is law, until Gretchen/The Elder Gods have a bitch fit.

As for Quan Chi, everything points to him being a Nether Realm demon/oni who, through some unclear means, learned sorcery, gained a human like form, traversed the realms, and became BFF's with Shinnok. The order of these events is unclear, but we know all of these things happened. Probably.
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SJWMegatron
05/18/2015 05:20 PM (UTC)
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Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
Try offering actual evidence to your claims rather than just spouting off misinformation and opinion.


That's hilarious. MK9's storymode is apparently "misinformation and opinion." Because the more logical explanation to that line is Bo Rai Cho is a shit fighter. Especially considering details elaborated on in MK9:

The Lin Kuei are not just there to assassinate warriors, as Scorpion and Sub Zero have a formal match. As does Quan Chi. Where are Scorpion and Quan Chi from again? Outworld? Nope.

Besides the rules of the Tournament generally making no sense, It seems to be a round robin, or double elimination. As MK9's story mode shows, Raiden really did only bring 2 fighters: Liu Kang and Nightwolf. It is implied that Shang manipulated Cage into participating just like in the movie. That and forcing the Special Forces fighters to participate suggests Shang either he just wanted more souls, or that having more earthrealm warriors somehow benefits him, as I reiterate, the fate of Earthrealm was dependent on this Tourney's outcome and RAIDEN ONLY BROUGHT 2 GUYS. (MKX also implies the original movie is canon)

(Well I guess, my main argument in this post was that we don't know where Quan Chi is originally from. And now I'm just here to stop you from basing your entire knowledge of Tournament Rules based on one line from a Deception bio. Deception, aka the "Zero Fucks Given" Era.)
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05/18/2015 07:07 PM (UTC)
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Shang Tsung didn't manipulate Johnny Cage and Sonya into fighting in the tournament. He had to ensure their participation. The Elder Gods and Raiden kept the best Earthrealm warriors hidden throughout the globe (to avoid being assassinated), but once the tournament begun, Liu Kang, Cage and Sonya had to be there. It was mandatory for Shang that they be there. They were the 3 best warriors on Earth, one of the the embodiment of the Dragon and another bred to fight Gods themselves.
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05/18/2015 08:17 PM (UTC)
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mattteo Wrote:
Shang Tsung didn't manipulate Johnny Cage and Sonya into fighting in the tournament. He had to ensure their participation. The Elder Gods and Raiden kept the best Earthrealm warriors hidden throughout the globe (to avoid being assassinated), but once the tournament begun, Liu Kang, Cage and Sonya had to be there. It was mandatory for Shang that they be there. They were the 3 best warriors on Earth, one of the the embodiment of the Dragon and another bred to fight Gods themselves.


Two questions:

1. How is that not "manipulating them into being there?"

2. What the fuck are you talking about? Why would Shang demand they be there other than he wanted their souls? And why would he want their souls if it but him at a disadvantage in the Tournament if he could just have them after the Realms were merged. This is the 100th tournament remember.
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05/19/2015 05:07 PM (UTC)
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SJWMegatron Wrote:
mattteo Wrote:
Shang Tsung didn't manipulate Johnny Cage and Sonya into fighting in the tournament. He had to ensure their participation. The Elder Gods and Raiden kept the best Earthrealm warriors hidden throughout the globe (to avoid being assassinated), but once the tournament begun, Liu Kang, Cage and Sonya had to be there. It was mandatory for Shang that they be there. They were the 3 best warriors on Earth, one of the the embodiment of the Dragon and another bred to fight Gods themselves.


Two questions:

1. How is that not "manipulating them into being there?"

2. What the fuck are you talking about? Why would Shang demand they be there other than he wanted their souls? And why would he want their souls if it but him at a disadvantage in the Tournament if he could just have them after the Realms were merged. This is the 100th tournament remember.


1. It's not manipulating BY Shang Tsung. The Elder Gods themselves or Raiden made sure that they participated. Shang WAS FORCED to bring them in/allow them to participate.

2. Read carefully. Make small pauses. Check unknown words in the dictionary. Ask your parents. You'll understand. You're almost there
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The_TooCool_Master
05/19/2015 05:20 PM (UTC)
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SJWMegatron Wrote:

MKX also implies the original movie is canon


No it doesn't. Stop saying that. MK9 is what happened. MKX isn't a sequel to the movie. The movie contradicts MK9 and the franchise as a whole on so many points. I don't know why you think that.

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Bo Rai Chi's bio says "His victory would be in the name of Outworld".

Notice the lack of plural? The only fight that matters is the last one. Bo Rai Cho could have worked as an enforcer for Earthrealm too but remember : Whoever is in charge of the tournament makes the matches, as revealed in MK9 with Shang Tsung running the show. You think Shang Tsung would have put Bo Rai Cho against Goro? It would have been Bo Rai Cho VS Liu Kang right away.

Bo Rai Cho might have fought for earthrealm before Goro killed the Great Kung Lao. It it safe to assume the White Lotus / Raiden were running the tournament back then.
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SJWMegatron
05/19/2015 07:05 PM (UTC)
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Poor unfortunate soul still clinging to the retconed-out-of-existence "No-fucks-given" era. Let's mock him for his ignorance.


Because if THIS bio is accurate: "Kung Lao is the last decendent of the legendary Kung Lao..." Kung Jin should not exist.

And as for the MK Movie, MK10 characters refer to things that happened in the movie in this latest canon. Yes, "MK9 is canon" but the movie's events are pretty much the same. The only difference is that Goro is not killed by Johnny Cage."

I only brought that up to support the idea that Sonya, Jax, and Johnny Cage were not intended to participate in the original tournament. Johnny got invited as a shang tsung goof and everyone was pretty surprised he was any good. And Jax and Sonya were looking for Kano. (Again, shown in the movie. Also mentioned in MK9. I'm basing this on the actual game. I don't know what you're basing your information on. As I suspect, your imagination.) Raiden did not choose them because they could have given him a strategic disadvantage. That might sound like a bad action movie coincidence, and that's because, remember, this was developed as a Bloodsport tie-in game.
https://youtu.be/Cw-tceWOL8c

Or he didn't get around to inviting them. He had to deal with fuckin' ninjas in his Temple of Elements. Raiden is starting to seem a little incompetent.
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05/19/2015 07:31 PM (UTC)
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SJWMegatron Wrote:
Poor unfortunate soul still clinging to the retconed-out-of-existence "No-fucks-given" era. Let's mock him for his ignorance.


Because if THIS bio is accurate: "Kung Lao is the last decendent of the legendary Kung Lao..." Kung Jin should not exist.

And as for the MK Movie, MK10 characters refer to things that happened in the movie in this latest canon. Yes, "MK9 is canon" but the movie's events are pretty much the same. The only difference is that Goro is not killed by Johnny Cage."

I only brought that up to support the idea that Sonya, Jax, and Johnny Cage were not intended to participate in the original tournament. Johnny got invited as a shang tsung goof and everyone was pretty surprised he was any good. And Jax and Sonya were looking for Kano. (Again, shown in the movie. Also mentioned in MK9. I'm basing this on the actual game. I don't know what you're basing your information on. As I suspect, your imagination.) Raiden did not choose them because they could have given him a strategic disadvantage. That might sound like a bad action movie coincidence, and that's because, remember, this was developed as a Bloodsport tie-in game.

https://youtu.be/Cw-tceWOL8c

Or he didn't get around to inviting them. He had to deal with fuckin' ninjas in his Temple of Elements. Raiden is starting to seem a little incompetent.


In the movie, Scorpion and Sub-Zero were controlled by Shang Tsung. Shang Tsung and Reptile were killed by Liu Kang. Kano was killed by Sonya. So....how does MKX make the movie canon?
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SJWMegatron
05/19/2015 07:55 PM (UTC)
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Generally. The general events of the movie are canon. Including some specific one because if you noticed. In the banter between Goro and Cage and Scorpion and Cage in MKX they reference banter from the movie.
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05/19/2015 07:56 PM (UTC)
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(MKX also implies the original movie is canon)


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