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Milaana
04/04/2011 01:24 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Milaana Wrote:

Jade having a plant-kiss? - HELLL YEAHHHHH!!

Jade kisses you and vines grow from their eyes and out of their flesh, ripping the victim apart from the inside out.


Oh no, not this ridiculous theory about Jade having plant-like powers again.

JADE DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANT-LIKE MOVES NOR WILL SHE EVER GET ANY PLANT-LIKE MOVES!!!

If anything, Jade's kiss should turn the opponent into a crystalized jade-stone statue which she then crushes into bits with her staff, based on her card-game fatality:



Most of the time Fatalities aren't cannon, does Kitana has blowing-up like powers or does Sonya have fire kisses? No, it was just a joke anyway, as two girls having kisses is enough.

but what you said wasn't my intention, Nightwolf should have something with plants maybe as hes closest with nature.
I'm all for their return as long as executed well
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Jaded-Raven
04/04/2011 01:29 PM (UTC)
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Fatalities are supposed to show the characters' skills at their deadliest. So yes, for the most part, fatalities are canon, with a few exceptions. For example, I doubt Scorpion is able to turn into a huge scorpion like he did in his MK4 fatality, however, his burning skull fatality is definately canon.

Sonya's and Kitana's kiss fatalities are classic and should definately be in the game, one way or the other.
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04/04/2011 02:23 PM (UTC)
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The only Kiss fatality I ever really enjoyed was Sonya's from Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance. I felt that it had a sense of realism to it: she was blowing some sort of poison in her enemy's eye. I always found the other ones a little far fetched.
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queve
04/04/2011 04:28 PM (UTC)
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Excellent thread!

Sonya's Kiss of Death Fatality concepts are definitely some of my absolute favorites in the entire world of MK (*points at my sig to show my support*).



The whole Kiss of Death theme is really cool. This kind of "Femme Fatale" vibe is something I dig a lot. Seeing something as playful and innocent (or sensual) as kiss becoming such a brutal and painful killing machine is awesome.

A kiss instantly killing the enemy = BADASS.

The way Sonya does it without even touching the opponent is brilliant. There's such sarcastic mockery in being killed that way. She's a badass. I loved how in MKvsDC her fiery kiss is shaped like a heart and how in MKDA they actually added a silly heart coming out before killing the victim.

Sonya definitely takes the crown for being the original starter and for having the most distinctive and iconic of all the Kisses. There's actually some awesome variety and consistency with her "Kiss of Death" killing powers:

*Fire Kiss (MK1, MK3, MKvsDC)
*Crushing Energy Orb (MK3)
*Slashing Energy Orb (MK4)
*Poisonous Mist (MKDA and as a special in MKDA, MKA, MKvsDC, MK9)

I love how they've developed her powers and how every Kiss is different from the other. She's always gotten a new variation of her Kiss in every game she's been in, so, I really really hope she has it back in this game.

I'm hoping more for her MK3 Crushing Energy Orb or an improved version of her epic Mist Kiss. I really like the fire kiss as much as the rest, but, we already got this one (and quite well) in MKvsDC.

Regarding the others, I will say this:

Tanya's Kiss of Doom in MK4 is absolutely amazing. This was probably meant to be Kitana's kiss, but, it ended up Tanya's and its much much cooler/better than all the other ones we've seen.

Kitana's MK2 and MKvsDC kisses are fantastic. I really dislike all the other versions they made in all her other games. Her kiss in MK2 was always a favorite of mine. i love the way the opponents inflate in such a ridiculous, painful, and humiliating way before exploding in so many pieces of meat.

So epic. I never thought it could be topped, for, all the other ones really suck...but then came MKvsDC and I was amazed.

I think her kiss in MKvsDC is one of the best Fatalities of the game. The way the victim mutates and explodes in such a grotesque, monstrous, and burlesque way is amazing. Disturbing. I think this has become my fave Kiss of Death for Kitana.

That being said: I don't mind seeing back the Kiss of Death for only 1 of the "female ninjas". I guess that it has to be Kitana and Tanya has to completely drop the concept (which was meant to be Kitana's, I guess).

Sonya is the only one who must maintain a Kiss of Death fatality. I really really hope she gets a new one in this game (or remake of her MK3 orb/MKDA mist).

wdm6789 Wrote:
samuhai Wrote:
I love Sonya's K-O-D in MK 1 and 3 (and would've liked it in DC if it didn't have to be T-rated. Loved that it was a love heart haha). I mean, it's both silly and cute, being a kiss, but also really violent, and it's something we're not seeing enough in the latest MKs (that is, skeletons. That's what used to freak me out so much about the 2D mks and MK4, is how theyd be destroyed down to their skeletons)

HOWEVER

I always hated Kitana's. The inflation kiss was so far beyond stupid -_- It didn't look good, it didn't make sense, it wasn't funny, didn't look painful. Was even worse once it got to 3D. Yuck.


I was a bit perturbed that the original girls seemed to "have" to have kiss related fatalities, for a while anyway. Sort of a bit...trite -_- But Sonya's at least is understandably iconic, so give her one (assuming they can animate it to look cool. The fire in the most recent outings has sucked)



How does Kitana's not make sense and Sonya's does make sense? Kitana is magic. Sonya is not magic, she is human. So Sonya's kiss and pink ring projectile make a lot less sense than Kitana's kiss fatality, because like I said, Kitana uses magic.


I would also say that Kitana's is much more "iconic" because if you ask people about a kiss fatality, most times the first person who comes to mind is Kitana.


How exactly is Kitana "magic"?

If anything, out of all the Edenians, I think she's the only one who has shown no sign of "magical abilities/powers" besides the Teleport (which she got from Jade) and the classic SWP (which she got from Sonya).

Her steels fans do seem to be magical, but, they seem like they are the source of her power. They don't seem magical because she is magical.

Sindel, Jade, and Mileena have more well stablished "magical" powers than Kitana has ever shown.

And Sonya's always been a pretty magical character because of her Chi powers. She's not Edenian, but, she's certainly more "magical" than Kitana has been: She flies around defying gravity up and down, she creates energy rings, energy orbs, fire powers, fire balls, and poisonous mist. She's pretty talented.

That begin said, I absolutely loved Kitana's Kiss in MK2 and in MKvsDC and I'd be super happy to see it return. My favorite ever was her MK2 Fatality and after all the horrible versions they created, I never thought it would be topped.

Than came MKvsDC...the death effect caused by the Kiss is disturbing and monstrous. I thought it was one of the best Fatalities of that game.
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Locusta
04/04/2011 04:31 PM (UTC)
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KISS FATALITIES ARE LAME AND BORING.


They suck. MAke the women chop people up just like the rest fo the fighters. A KISS?? Soooooo stupid.
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queve
04/04/2011 04:37 PM (UTC)
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Locusta Wrote:
KISS FATALITIES ARE LAME AND BORING.


They suck. MAke the women chop people up just like the rest fo the fighters. A KISS?? Soooooo stupid.


Woman have been doing that since forever.

Only 3 females have a Kiss of Death fatality: Sonya being the first and having it in a different style, and Kitana and Tanya being the other two sharing the same concept.

Sonya's been killing people with her legs and snapping necks with style besides the Kiss.

Kitana has been decapitating people up with her fans besides the Kiss.

Tanya was even more brutal in MK4 and MKD besides that one Kiss.

The rest don't have a Kiss.
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MKKitana
04/04/2011 04:39 PM (UTC)
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Kitana's kisses have always been the better ones. Her MK2 kiss is by far the best and Id love to see it redone in todays graphics. Her MKDA kiss closely follows this and I actually kinda like her MKvsDC kiss too. Not as keen on the trilogy/MK3/ variations though, the one where the head swell and pops or the stretch kiss, but theyre still ok and better than a lot of fatalities in that game and her MKGold version is ok but a bit 'meh'.

The only one of Sonya's I liked was her MK3 pink bubble - that too could look very good in todays graphics. The rest have been pretty boring. Tanya's is a bit of a 'meh' one for me, but I kinda dont want her to have any kiss fatalities from now on. She didnt get one in MKD so im pretty sure theyre keeping her away from them.

And I say no to any of the other females having kiss based fatalities. Theres plenty of other things they can do.
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04/04/2011 04:43 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
How exactly is Kitana "magic"?
You don't think being able to propel yourself through the air or suspend and enemy off of the ground is magical?

I mean we know how NRS studio feels about the Square Wave Punch and Vanishing Winds. Neither Sonya or Jade has these moves anymore so I think it's safe to say that their Kitana's now.

She may be the least magical of the Edenians but she's still magical.
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Locusta
04/04/2011 04:48 PM (UTC)
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Killing pople with your legs is fine, and hot, but a kiss? It''s just goofy. I LOVE the idea of a poisoned Kiss....but a kiss that inflates someone lol....til the explode? Super dumb. It'd be better to just put a little thought into it and give the character in question an actual fitting method of dispatching someone brutally.

Just my opinion.
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Locusta
04/04/2011 04:50 PM (UTC)
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Also, just becuase they've been doinbg kissing fatalites since "forever" doesn't mean they need tro continue such a ridiculous practice. Mileena bites off her foes' face. That's close enough and much more fitting.
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buttersnatch
04/04/2011 05:04 PM (UTC)
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Locusta Wrote:
Killing pople with your legs is fine, and hot, but a kiss? It''s just goofy. I LOVE the idea of a poisoned Kiss....but a kiss that inflates someone lol....til the explode? Super dumb. It'd be better to just put a little thought into it and give the character in question an actual fitting method of dispatching someone brutally.

Just my opinion.


I agree with you In a lot of ways. For the most part the kisses were not that well thought out it seems. Sonya's may be the exception. Out of all the kiss fatalities I liked Sonya's poison kiss from DA the best. That one was sexy, not crazy ridiculous, and it make her enemy puke and cough up blood.
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04/04/2011 05:11 PM (UTC)
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Locusta Wrote:
Killing pople with your legs is fine, and hot, but a kiss? It''s just goofy. I LOVE the idea of a poisoned Kiss....but a kiss that inflates someone lol....til the explode? Super dumb. It'd be better to just put a little thought into it and give the character in question an actual fitting method of dispatching someone brutally.

Just my opinion.
Yeah the kisses are what make MK goofy...
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Legendary-Scorpion
04/04/2011 05:41 PM (UTC)
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The whole inflation kiss thing needs to go, it looks stupid, I say make it melt the person to their bones instead.
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queve
04/05/2011 04:10 PM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
queve Wrote:
How exactly is Kitana "magic"?
You don't think being able to propel yourself through the air or suspend and enemy off of the ground is magical?

I mean we know how NRS studio feels about the Square Wave Punch and Vanishing Winds. Neither Sonya or Jade has these moves anymore so I think it's safe to say that their Kitana's now.

She may be the least magical of the Edenians but she's still magical.


Oh yes, I don't disagree that she has certain magical elements incorporated into her, but, they mostly come from her weapons. I didn't get what the OP was saying by making her seem to be more magical than the others. It doesn't seem to me that she would be able to levitate people without the fans.

She's levitating people with her fans and she's flying from the ground by sudden;y propelling herself with her fans.

But, yeah, she can teleport now. I do agree she's got some magical going on, but, its not a big theme, imo. Her steel fans are.

I guess she focuses her Chi and the "energy" and "magic" comes through her fans, but, its hers.

Legendary-Scorpion Wrote:
The whole inflation kiss thing needs to go, it looks stupid, I say make it melt the person to their bones instead.


I can totally see that happening with Sonya's poisonous mist Kiss.
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04/05/2011 04:16 PM (UTC)
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My thoughts:
Sonya had two amazing kiss fatalities. :P
Tanya's kiss was too scary for me. :P
Kitana had kiss fatality? O_O
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Locusta
04/05/2011 06:40 PM (UTC)
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A kiss that causes internal rupturing, vomiting, coughing blood and flopping over dead, is way way WAY better than anything that causes inflation or explosion.

Body language can show agony and death, you don't NEED to always make them BLOW UP or something silly.

I also like the idea of Reptiles poison fatality actually eating away at the belly of the victim, so guts and such flop out of them before they collapse.
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Dragonkeeper1982
04/05/2011 08:27 PM (UTC)
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I actually liked ONLY MK2 version of Kitana's inflating kiss, but it would need some major major changing; it is a magical fatality with a different effect is kinda Stephen Kingish, think about The Thinner; but offered as DLC classic like the male ninja's. She should this time have a fan stab and open fatality and a 3rd envolving the fan lift.

Tanya's Kiss was actually pretty unique and different, and would fit with this game pretty well with all the limb ripping.

Sonya's original Flamming Lips is an absolute MUST!!!

NO OTHER CHARACTERS SHOULD GET A KISS!!! (Including the Mileena's Suck Em' Up Fatality)
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Keith
04/05/2011 08:32 PM (UTC)
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I hate he inflating Kiss, it's never looked painful - only stupid. If Kitana has to have a kiss fatality, I'd prefer if she got Tanya's bone-breaker Kiss. None at all would be preferable though. Kitana's a 10,000 assassin wielding two steel fans; surely they can come up with something exciting for her that doesn't involve a kiss that makes her opponent go 'pop'.
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04/05/2011 08:52 PM (UTC)
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kiss fatalities are shit. thankfully, we won't be getting them in a hurry in this game! ^_^
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queve
04/07/2011 03:32 PM (UTC)
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jagro Wrote:
kiss fatalities are shit. thankfully, we won't be getting them in a hurry in this game! ^_^


How dare you...Kiss Off!, you hater!


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j/k wink

Keith Wrote:
I hate he inflating Kiss, it's never looked painful - only stupid. If Kitana has to have a kiss fatality, I'd prefer if she got Tanya's bone-breaker Kiss. None at all would be preferable though. Kitana's a 10,000 assassin wielding two steel fans; surely they can come up with something exciting for her that doesn't involve a kiss that makes her opponent go 'pop'.


But, but....that cute hilarious "pop" in MKvsDC was epic! I sincerely think that was one of the best Fatalities of the game. The way the victim grew into such a deformed disgusting thing was disturbing.

And MK2 had a great (and painful) presentation of it by showing the victim's body meat rip apart before exploding.

But, I do agree that its about time she gets some kind of decent Fatality. She has the coolest weapons in the whole game, and, she is still doing the same stuff over and over again.

Her new remake "slice and dice" Fatality is a disappointment. They need to use those fans to their full potential.
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