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09/23/2010 03:29 AM (UTC)
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ITT: A bunch of guys complain that a women who has always worn provocative and revealing clothes...is wearing provocative and revealing clothes.

Seriously, I know its a matter of opinion but she doesn't look bad. In the world of MK, Edenian's generally don't wear a lot of clothes. Its like complaining to Natural Geo that the African tribe ladies need to wear more clothes.

And at the end of the day, Millena looks sluttier so it all works out.


She's not provocative in MK2. I specifically mentioned the open front laced top, nothing else, because it was what I was expecting.

And why are people acting like everyone is talking down about this when it's just me. You guys are the majority, not the other way around. Everyone seems to be just fine with this and like it, it's the minority (just me right now) that have any problem at all.
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09/23/2010 03:30 AM (UTC)
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you're all wrong, its Skarlet in disguise. The big tits are a hint from Boon that he supports breast cancer awareness and also boobies. Also it means Cyber Stryker is a hidden alt for Zombie Sub-Kratos


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09/23/2010 03:31 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Kabal20 Wrote:
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so what?

fighters like Cage and Liu Kang are fighting with no shirt on and nobody is complaining about that


This is the most tired argument ever. Once Johnny comes out to fight in a pair of pants with no ass in them, then we'll talk about equality. The male chest is PG at best.


Not trying to bash your views Crow but would you honestly want to play as a female character that looked similar to Ruffus from Street Fighter 4?

I honestly don't think it's such a big deal. Video games are notorious with over the top costumes. The game is rated M as well so it is geared towards an adult audience. There is no full on nudity in the game. I really don't see what the big deal is that she has an over-sized bust?


It's ridiculous to say that there are only two types of female characters. Just because I would like a character that's dressed a little more realistically and has a more realistic anatomy doesn't mean I don't want attractive females in the game. Are you saying that because the game is rated M it has to be trashy? It just doesn't make any sense to me. You use the term "adults" like we're talking about adult entertainment, as in pornography. Adults can't be interested in well dressed characters?


At the same time, Kitana has always worn revealing clothes, it's really not anything new. Her outfits could always pass as bathing suits lol. There are different types of females, Kitana just tends to be a more visually appealing character, she's supposed to be beautfiful and desirable. Looking a little 'trashy' has always been apart of the character. If the lack of clothing is such a bother, there are other character, like Sonya.
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09/23/2010 03:31 AM (UTC)
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mortalsebastian Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
you're all wrong, its Skarlet in disguise. The big tits are a hint from Boon that he supports breast cancer awareness and also boobies. Also it means Cyber Stryker is a hidden alt for Zombie Sub-Kratos


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Hsu Hao wins the first tournament


shhhh! They must not know how Hsu Hao comes into possession of the demon robot squirrel pirate!

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
ITS THE QUEEN OF DIAMONDS SHNYARGH!


Kitana looks good tho, I don't understand the complaints.
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09/23/2010 03:33 AM (UTC)
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I don't think that it's a big deal that she has an oversized bust. I just think that it's an odd choice and well, not quite as good looking as when she had more regular proportions.

Maybe I'm just weird, I dunno, but at some point, as the boobs get bigger, eventually they stop contributing to a solid, curvy female shape and they just become kinda silly looking, as if the design came from the mind of a 14 year old.

I mean, I don't think they're as bad as Ivy or Taki from Soul Calibur, but compare her look now to what she looked like in MK2. Back then, she looked normal and pretty and now she has an almost anime quality to her that I'm just not that big a fan of.

Her overall design walks that line, I think. I like it, but I just think that maybe widening her waist slightly and maybe moving her from a Triple D down to a D or C could maybe improve her a bit.

I'm not saying that to sound like a prude either, I honestly think that giving her slightly more realistic proportions would enhance her overall look, not detract from it.

I honsestly don't think that how she's dressed is all that bad. I mean, let's call it accurately. This will be one of, if not the most violent, gory video game ever made. Liver's crushed by hand. People split in half, their insides hanging out, a character vomits acid in to his opponents mouth and another character chomps on the severed head of her defeated advisary.

Are we REALLY going to get all Puritanical and "oh no, don't show that" because a woman is showing cleavage? She's not naked or showing anything that would even make for a PG-13 movie, but some people are getting offended?

If you think that the outfit makes her look skanky and that's why you don't like it? Fine, that's cool. But I really hope that no one here thinks that it's too provocative or whatever. That's just...yeah... yikes.
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09/23/2010 03:34 AM (UTC)
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Clones typically have the same DNA, but since Mileena's part Tarkatan, that clouds the problem.

If Kitana had significantly smaller breasts, I'd be scratching my head.


Hybrid vigor of the tits, specifically.


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09/23/2010 03:38 AM (UTC)
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I never said I was "offended". Since I'm just going to be made out to be some idiotic "puritan" because I want a character with a more respectable costume, I'm just going to walk away from this discussion. I'm not going to be painted as something I'm not or have things implied which I never once said.
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09/23/2010 03:39 AM (UTC)
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More importantly, the design is boring.
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09/23/2010 03:45 AM (UTC)
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Well,I personally think the princess looks flawless. She looks freaking gorgeous, I soo can't wait to see how pretty Jade looks!!!! I love Kitana's costume design!
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09/23/2010 03:49 AM (UTC)
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I like kitanas outfit I mean what's the big deal really?
the way I see it it's not really how she looks (as long as their hot lol :) ) but how they play so everyone should just chill Ed and the team are working hard on this game and yet people complain about a little just A LITTLE thing about the costume? Give them a brake man seriously and if u don't like it theirs always the alt to make u happy so as I saw in meet the Spartans LEAVE NETTHEREALM STUDIOS ALONE!!! :D

(I do not mean to offend anyone I'm just saying)
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09/23/2010 03:52 AM (UTC)
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Remember that there's a difference between sexy and trashy. Wonder Woman is sexy but she's not trashy. The lace in Kitana's outfit is pushing into that category. I won't say it's quite there (It's no Soul Calibur IV Ivy) but it is ironically a little boring when designers won't actually take the time to craft an interesting costume and instead take the easy route of "as little as possible."

Kitana is a princess with a mask and a blue motif. There's a lot that can be done with that. But if one requirement is to show as much skin as possible then the costume design is going to be creatively barren just by virtue of there not being much to work with. Look at the other character with a mask and blue motif. Sub-Zero's costume is amazing with a lot of noticeable detail.
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09/23/2010 03:56 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
I never said I was "offended". Since I'm just going to be made out to be some idiotic "puritan" because I want a character with a more respectable costume, I'm just going to walk away from this discussion. I'm not going to be painted as something I'm not or have things implied which I never once said.


Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I suppose that I just got a vibe from you and Vash and a few others that her outfit was tastelss and I think that I may have misinterpreted the context.

Is it more that you simply don't want to see her dressed like a skank because you think that detracts from her character? Or is it that you think that her being dressed like a skank is off-putting? I might have assumed the latter, when the reality is that you were most likely asserting the former.

In your original post, you just seemed kind of angry about the cleavage and what not and while I do believe, like Xiahoudun, that the loin cloth and what not is just lazy costume design, I was more or less asserting the point that it's odd that you were a bit put off by the cleavage amidst a game that's a veritable sea of blood, guts and gore.

I think that you just want her to look more realistic (proportionally speaking) and on that point, you and I completely agree. I think that she can look pretty without looking like some anime blow-up doll. I also think that her costume lacks originality and I hope that they evolve it a bit before the game comes out.

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09/23/2010 03:58 AM (UTC)
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I also think that her costume lacks originality and I hope that they evolve it a bit before the game comes out.



Dude. It's the MK team.
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09/23/2010 03:58 AM (UTC)
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Her breasts look anatomically correct. Really don't see the exaggeration. Looks like a regular woman to me. Don't see how feminists would be angry at this portrayal.
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09/23/2010 04:01 AM (UTC)
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Remember that there's a difference between sexy and trashy. Wonder Woman is sexy but she's not trashy. The lace in Kitana's outfit is pushing into that category. I won't say it's quite there (It's no Soul Calibur IV Ivy) but it is ironically a little boring when designers won't actually take the time to craft an interesting costume and instead take the easy route of "as little as possible."


Kitana is a princess with a mask and a blue motif. There's a lot that can be done with that. But if one requirement is to show as much skin as possible then the costume design is going to be creatively barren just by virtue of there not being much to work with. Look at the other character with a mask and blue motif. Sub-Zero's costume is amazing with a lot of noticeable detail.


I agree whole heartedly. I don't think that her outfit is really pushing anything, but I do think that making an outfit look sexy is more than just pushing her cleavage up to her neck and giving her hooker boots.

There is a ton that can be done with the mask and the color blue. Alot of times it's what you don't show...

Of course, you can also show quite a bit AND have the right look. Sometimes it all comes together just right. I just don't think that this outfit, which is far too similar to something Mileena would wear, is that right look.
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09/23/2010 04:02 AM (UTC)
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That crisscross top thingy was ugly in MK3 and is ugly now. I wish they'd stop giving it to her. Or at least make it like it was in MKDA.

I'm digging the designs on her outfits though.
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09/23/2010 04:02 AM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:
I also think that her costume lacks originality and I hope that they evolve it a bit before the game comes out.



Dude. It's the MK team.


Agreed.....

I stand corrected.
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09/23/2010 04:08 AM (UTC)
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The male chest is PG at best.

Only cuz society tells you that

Logically there isn't a big discrepancy between a male nipple and a female nipple, they're both naked nipples
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09/23/2010 04:09 AM (UTC)
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StatueofLiberty Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Clones typically have the same DNA, but since Mileena's part Tarkatan, that clouds the problem.

If Kitana had significantly smaller breasts, I'd be scratching my head.


Hybrid vigor of the tits, specifically.



Heterosis Mortal Kombat style. grin

Yes, I did have to wikipedia search that term.

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Look at the other character with a mask and blue motif. Sub-Zero's costume is amazing with a lot of noticeable detail.

True... but Sub-Zero is not from Edenia. I'm not saying all women should dress like strippers, but the Edenian fashion template has been long set. If this were Sonya, I'd be crying foul.

It should also be noted that these girls are working for Kahn, a man who probably buried his gender sensitivities a long time ago.
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09/23/2010 04:14 AM (UTC)
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True... but Sub-Zero is not from Edenia. I'm not saying all women should dress like strippers, but the Edenian fashion template has been long set. If this were Sonya, I'd be crying foul.

It should also be noted that these girls are working for Kahn, a man who probably buried his gender sensitivities a long time ago.

Yeah. Fuck creativity. Because the MK team's track record with consistency is much better.
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09/23/2010 04:30 AM (UTC)
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Back in the day when Mortal Kombat 2 was released, Kitana and Mileena were seen as exposing too much skin, because they were fighting in leotards.

Times have changed and a leotard today won't really shock or impress anyone. It would simply be too boring if Kitana and Mileena showed up in their MK2 attire and then the design-team would be accused for lack of creativity.

Their attires this time around is befitting the gaming industry today where female characters are dressed like that. So all in all, what Kitana and Mileena wear are merely updates.
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09/23/2010 04:37 AM (UTC)
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Very Cool.
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09/23/2010 04:39 AM (UTC)
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Meh.....not impressed. I think they could've done better.
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09/23/2010 04:40 AM (UTC)
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It should also be noted that these girls are working for Kahn, a man who probably buried his gender sensitivities a long time ago.


He must have also buried his common sense considering these girls are supposed to be stealth assassins. tongue

Kitana: "Shao...they're going to see us coming."

Kahn: "titteez."

Kitana: "No...I mean...they're really going to see us coming. And they'll get away."

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Yeah. Fuck creativity. Because the MK team's track record with consistency is much better.

After reading your post a few times, I've been trying to figure out if you're saying:

"The need for Kitana's costume to be consistent doesn't give the creators license to make her look like ass,"

or if you're saying,

"The creators haven't been that consistent in the past, so for them to use the consistency defense now is bullshit.

If you're stating the first scenario, then I'll say again, it doesn't look that bad. The inlays on her clothes look pretty good, and though more clothing would have given her more artistic opportunities, there's a definite sleekness about it. It's certainly not as bad as what they did to Smoke, who as he currently stands, is a cloud in a gimp suit.

If the second scenario is what you're saying, then I just disagree with that general attitude. Even with the retcons and out-of-court changes, I still wouldn't say, "the seal is broken now; anything's a go," even if it's something as minor as costume design. It also depends on how you feel about the MK aesthetic in general. I happen to like the derivative nature of the MK nucleus.
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He must have also buried his common sense considering these girls are supposed to be stealth assassins. tongue

After all his enemies were dead, I guess he was just like, "Bright green leotard? Sure, why not?" smile
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