I'm given to understand that Jax is in it.

lol

E: Wow at Temp's scholarly ice-burns. VVV

I'm sure your boyfriend is thrilled.

You know, Stanford has a much better philosophical encyclopedia if you're interested.

You're misunderstanding how the property of identity works. The property of identity means that object A is identical only to itself. As Leibniz put it, "if x is identical with y then everything true of x is true of y." That leaves no room for contradictions. If Shredder is essentially human, than he must be human in all possible worlds. The "human and not human at the same time" doesn't hold up.

Also, there's a philosophy of language problem here. By saying Reptile is equal to Reptile, you are chained to premise that the term "Reptile" references the same particular object in both variables of that equation, but clearly your first "A" is representing Reptile from the games and your second "A" is referencing Reptile from the Rebirth trailer. Unless "A" represents the same object, your A=A analogy with Reptile if false.

Finally, essence doesn't necessarily function in the same way as identity. You and I are both instantiations of human essence, but we have different identities. Same thing here: Even if Reptile is translated perfectly into a film format, that adaptation will still have a separate identity even if it shares fictional essence.

There's something I hinted at a few posts back but really should have stated a while ago. Most philosophers don't believe there is such a thing as fictional essence. I believe in it because its lack of existence would entail absurdities. You would be able to argue Magnolia is a remake of Double Dragon and not be wrong. That's fucking insanity.

It's safe to say that the general public recognizes the resident evil film series and the resident evil video game series are very different entities. I ask you this Razor: Has the RE film series hurt the video game series in any way? No, despite RE fims being cinematic piles of shit, Resident Evil games still sell like hotcakes.

I never said anything about public perception or whatever. I don't really give a damn about that. I just want an adaptation about Mortal Kombat that I'll enjoy watching. And to me, Rebirth wasn't about Mortal Kombat and I didn't find it very fun to watch.

At the end of the day, nobody here is in some sort of despondent "my life is over" rage over this shit. (at least, I certainly hope not), it's just TV and movies and we'll still have the game series.

I just think it's kinda weird that all of a sudden the phrase "it's an alternate universe, that makes it okay" has been invented out of thin air for this one project when gamers have been used to seeing inaccurate video game movies for like 15 years, and comic fans have been seeing shit like Reb Brown as Captain America and Dolph Lundgren as the Punisher even before that, but nobody used that excuse before. To me, it's reaching. Don't tell me "it's an alternate universe", just admit it is what it is, yet another in a million movie adaptations that changed everything from the source material.

Fair enough, but I submit to you this: Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven are still very much the same work of fiction and yet very different.

I'm surprised how much negative response this is getting. I guess people are protective of what they love.

I loved the first mortal kombat movie. They got it right. For those bitchin, watch that.

The second movie was terrible.

This new take is fresh and is following suit in a lot of ways to X-men where they're dropping the cartoony suits and modernizing everything.
After seeing the clip, I wanted to see the movie. Show me this version because I know there's a surprise at every turn. If a directer follows the existing story too closely, than you can predict what will happen. What's the point?

I'm thrilled that something is getting done, especially after it seemed that the project was going nowhere.

It may be a cop out to you, but a lot of us see it that way and accept it for what it is. Id be personally happy with an adaptation somewhere in middle. I could do without Kevin's realism, above all else, I loved the tone of Rebirth.

Dolph Lungren was cast because he LOOKED like the Punisher in that era, but that's a whole other discussion. I still say if he'd had the damn skull on his T Shirt, people would be singing a very different tune, but I get what you're saying.



I also wanted to commend everyone in this discussion for an intelligent, civil debate over a franchise we all apparently deeply care about.

I also want to make it clear that--despite my criticism--I'm actually stoked for MK:Rebirth.

I haven't seen them, so it's out of my scope, but it's not impossible. It just depends on what the differences were. Some things can afford to be different.

The important thing to remember is that I'm not saying Rebirth is going to be a bad movie. I'm just saying it shouldn't be called Mortal Kombat.


Sub-Zero, debatably the most important character in the franchise, didn't have a SINGLE line of dialogue... and was killed by a bucket of water. Goro was defeated by a bitch hit at the top of a mountain. Do I even need to bring up that Scorpion shot his spear out of a vagina inside his hand?

By the way, off topic, but if anyone's interested, there is an amazing MvsC2 tournament going on at the moment.

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And I personally feel that enough of the IP remained intact to call it Mortal Kombat. It's all about personal perception, so we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree.

DogFace is so god damned hype!

C'mon Clockw0rk!

So has anyone posted the news that Michael Jai White confirmed that the web series is going to lead to a full length film?

I did earlier on in this thread...

People are calling Neo "Freeo." lol.

I was tuning in for the Street Fighter 4 Singles, but those matches were pretty fucking wicked. I will admit that for MvsC2 tournaments, I'm more listening to the commentary than watching the fight, because for the most part, all I see are bunch of colors and lights.

Does anyone know if the SSF4 team matches have finished up yet? I was hoping to see Evil Geniuses play after the mouth-raping they pulled off yesterday.

Oh, and just to not derail the topic, yes, I did hear somewhere that the Rebirth project was officially greenlighted.

I'm happy to see this being developed. The Rebirth trailer thing was great and brought alot of interest back to the series. I hope they keep up the quality of the production. I look forward to watching the webisodes.

I understand why some are upset so I'm not going to go into debate about it. Some of the spoilt fanboy attitudes are a bit over the top though.

I just saw this on youtube from totalmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hfs94YoEG0

at the 13:46 mark, Michael Jai White says, "We're gonna do some short films about it, right before we do the major film"

I guess that's the unofficial official announcement of mk devastation.

Ok, hold up, hold up, hold up!!!

So it's not just a web series anymore? It's gonna be a full feature film??

... First of all... what? How does this make any sense? Are they gonna tell the same story twice?? Once in episodic version, and a second time as a film?

I was ok with this webisode thing.... but... .... is Rebirth really gonna be the third MK movie?...

I really wish people would stop referring to this dead project that threshold kept in development hell for a decade before WB bought the IP. The new film will not be Devastation

mk3, same shit

No. Apparently according to Michael Jai White its going to be a webisode series that leads to a full length film. Im guessing the webisiodes will be like a prequel to the movie.

I can enjoy an alternative universe of mortal kombat if i happen to find it good.

But i still really want a canon series of movies.

Y'know, it's funny. The script actually involved a much longer, more drawn out scene where Johnny lures Goro through the Warrior Shrine, hiding behind the statues and using a three-section staff to break some of Goro's hands/wrists, showing actual fucking cleverness and strategy, then when he's got Goro hanging by one hand on the cliff (because he can't use his other hands to pull himself up), Shang calls for the "Finish Him" and Johnny is like "naw fuck you" and offers to help Goro up, and Goro says something like "I'd rather die like a warrior than limp home to my cave in shame" and lets go.