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06/09/2010 12:40 PM (UTC)
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I thought it looked great, sort of reminded me of the intro clip to the video game "Black" on XBOX and PS2 with the interrogation.

I'm still not convinced this is connected to a new movie so I think this will be for the new game. Based on the footage the new game looks like it might reboot the franchise completely and might incorporate more live action scenes during the game.

That's just my opinion anyway, but this could mean anything.
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06/09/2010 12:41 PM (UTC)
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I didn't mind the MK4 theme, a lot of people hated it, but it did have a good atmosphere to it.
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06/09/2010 12:41 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Being positive about a movie I do not want to see the light of day is counter-productive.

Call me a whiner if you like, but I don't care what I look like in the eyes of people who like this video, because they look far less positive in mine. I have no respect at all for people who call themselves fans of MK but only care about the gore and fatalities and don't mind a story that has no Outworld or fireballs in it.


You honestly lose respect because people have different taste than you? I may want people to be more optimistic, but I don't lose respect just because you dislike a video. That's just ludicrous.

Who decided that Outworld and fireballs are the most important part of MK? In fact...the things you claim that people shouldn't only care about are the things most casual MK fans back in the day cared most about as that's what drew them and many others to MK in the first place. When people think MK, they think of Fatalities and excessive gore.

Personally I do find the elements you speak of important, but I can also appreciate and like another take on something. To be honest when I first saw the video I didn't like it. I was disappointed...then looked at it a few more times and realized it;s just a new more realistic take on MK. It's not like this potential movie will ever erase what's already been made. And if it gets more people into MK I'd be all for it. I don't want to come on here each day and see 2 people online...I want to see 50-100 people like the days of MK:DA and MK:D.

I guess I just don't really hate things like some of you. I dislike things...but to hate really takes effort. Of course hating something as bad as you seem to do would have to take something more than just some potential mvie for a game franchise. That's the least of my concerns in life. I love MK, but I don't treat it like a child of mine. To each their own I guess.
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06/09/2010 12:42 PM (UTC)
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Santar Wrote:
It sure would be interesting to know the age of all the people who hate this new movie proposal

25 years old. Don't make me mad, or I'll beat you to up with my walking cane and fiber bars.

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and just love the "deep" storyline of the games.

Isn't it deep? Flawed, yes. Bad choices were made along the way, but the idea of two realms systematically battling it out via a tournament set up by elder deities is an excellent concept, even if not original. Pile the character relations and the mythology, and you have a very fascinating world.

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I never felt that the humor that Mk3 injected into the series fit at all either.
The first couple of games were serious and dark to me.

Injected? It was always there. I do recall in MK2 that Kitana gave Subzero a birthday cake.

In the first game, I saw a Bruce Lee clone defeat Lo Pan from "Big Trouble Little China." These are the reasons I love MK.
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06/09/2010 12:47 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Santar Wrote:
It sure would be interesting to know the age of all the people who hate this new movie proposal

25 years old. Don't make me mad, or I'll beat you to up with my walking cane and fiber bars.

Santar Wrote:
and just love the "deep" storyline of the games.

Isn't it deep? Flawed, yes. Bad choices were made along the way, but the idea of two realms systematically battling it out via a tournament set up by elder deities is an excellent concept, even if not original. Pile the character relations and the mythology, and you have a very fascinating world.

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I never felt that the humor that Mk3 injected into the series fit at all either.
The first couple of games were serious and dark to me.

Injected? It was always there. I do recall in MK2 that Kitana gave Subzero a birthday cake.

In the first game, I saw a Bruce Lee clone defeat Lo Pan from "Big Trouble Little China." These are the reasons I love MK.


Do you really think stating those things would change my mind about the games?
That's why I said "to me".
You think they've always been funny and I don't.
And I'm 29 so don't come here you young whippersnapper :P
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06/09/2010 12:48 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
You honestly lose respect because people have different taste than you?


Not always. Just when that taste is "I only like the series for the gore". That's just childish and lowbrow.
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06/09/2010 12:53 PM (UTC)
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Temp. MK isn't exactly quality storytelling. As John Romero once put it, story for a video game is like story for a porn movie. In some sense he is right. Mortal Kombat isn't Planescape: Torment, Vagrant Story, Shenmue or Silent Hill...

Story for MK is about giving a background, motivation and resolution for each character for each game (no wonder long-timer characters are stale, they continuously need to be around).



I think he meant the injection of humour into the fatalities. The friendships were take that's to the public who cried foul with the brutality. Have to admit, Liu Kang turning into an arcade and smashing the opponent isn't really funny after a while.

Scorpion stole Shang Tsung's facial hair. Genius!
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06/09/2010 12:53 PM (UTC)
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Well reading the updates about this movieclip, I'm leaning towards a demo for a MK movie reboot. Now, what I'm wondering is, how much is this connected to MK9?

Did the director have any information about the new MK game, like story elements, character portraits, etc. If so...we can expect similarities in MK9. On the other side..I can also imagine they just told the director they wanted a MK reboot. And no other information was given..so the director can do his thing with more creative space.

Looking at the hints from Ed Boon (Fire & Ice, question about Streetfighter the movie game) I have a gut feeling, that what we have seen may resemblance the game in someway (small or big).

Things I like about this clip: Hanzo Hasashi, not just Scorpion right away but also little focus on his backstory as a ninja assasin from Shirai Ryu. The overall tone and look of the video, like we wanted the game, dark and gritty.

What I like to see more, is a better fit to the games as far as story and scripts, like BlackCyborg said. I hope that the movie and game will do this. And I hope, because little is shown, is that the mystical, magical and supernatural aspect is a part of the movie and game. Even if it's just a small amount. Ohh and..I was hoping for a return of the Original Sub Zero o well :D
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06/09/2010 12:55 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
blackcyborg Wrote:
You honestly lose respect because people have different taste than you?


Not always. Just when that taste is "I only like the series for the gore". That's just childish and lowbrow.


You're right, but at the same time, MK wouldn't be nearly as popular as it was if it didn't have the gore. IMO the most important part to me is the characters and story, but that's not to say I don't think the gore plays a big factor as well. Hell, all the backlash of MK vs DC being a T game where there was less gore and the Fatalities were toned down...that's proof enough that the majority of hardcore fans of the series find the violence the game is known for, important. I was one of the ones who wasn't bothered by it...because to me the spirit and fun of MK can't be taken away by one or two of it's trademarks...because it has more going for it than just those. Thus, that's why I could give a movie like that a chance.
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06/09/2010 12:58 PM (UTC)
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Santar Wrote:


Do you really think stating those things would change my mind about the games?
That's why I said "to me".
You think they've always been funny and I don't.
And I'm 29 so don't come here you young whippersnapper :P

Well, not like "ha ha" funny, but just funny enough to lend itself to the overall atmosphere.

It's how the light-hearted elements sort of satellite around a dark serious nucleus that makes it so interesting. If you're an anime fan, think Trigun. If you're not an anime fan, think of the early Discworld novels (this one is problematic, but examples are hard to come by; no one really does it the same way as MK).
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06/09/2010 01:00 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
IMO the most important part to me is the characters and story, but that's not to say I don't think the gore plays a big factor as well.


Well sure. It's not like I'm a big advocate for the original films, which had the magic and other realms but no fatalities either. The first movie did make me happier than this probably would, but not by a lot.

When I see a clip for an MK movie where Reptile is from Outworld and dressed in green and black ninja robes AND it's R rated and he's eating people's flesh, THAT is when I will be positive. I'm not going to settle for half of anything, especially the wrong half.
They made Spider-Man and Iron Man perfectly true to the source material, so there's no longer any excuse for them to change things when they adapt something like MK. It's got enough detail and depth to work perfectly the way it already is.
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06/09/2010 01:00 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
blackcyborg Wrote:
You honestly lose respect because people have different taste than you?


Not always. Just when that taste is "I only like the series for the gore". That's just childish and lowbrow.


A fan is a fan. People like things for different reasons. At the end of the day, the game is still called "Mortal Kombat", not "Rainbows and Butterflies", so some people liking it for the gore factor is to be expected. It's like MMA; some people watch it with a lust for blood while others (like myself) can appreciate the technical side of it. But at the end of the day, it's still just a fight.
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06/09/2010 01:04 PM (UTC)
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skizelli Wrote:
A fan is a fan.


And I would disagree that people who only care about the fatalities DO qualify as fans. That's like saying you're a fan of pies but you hate every part but the crust. It's just not true.
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06/09/2010 01:04 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
blackcyborg Wrote:
You honestly lose respect because people have different taste than you?


Not always. Just when that taste is "I only like the series for the gore". That's just childish and lowbrow.


You're right, but at the same time, MK wouldn't be nearly as popular as it was if it didn't have the gore. IMO the most important part to me is the characters and story, but that's not to say I don't think the gore plays a big factor as well. Hell, all the backlash of MK vs DC being a T game where there was less gore and the Fatalities were toned down...that's proof enough that the majority of hardcore fans of the series find the violence the game is known for, important. I was one of the ones who wasn't bothered by it...because to me the spirit and fun of MK can't be taken away by one or two of it's trademarks...because it has more going for it than just those. Thus, that's why I could give a movie like that a chance.


Now I'm just curious here, but do you really play a fighting game first and foremost for the story? Doesn't actual gameplay come first?
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06/09/2010 01:06 PM (UTC)
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Santar Wrote:
Now I'm just curious here, but do you really play a fighting game first and foremost for the story? Doesn't actual gameplay come first?


What does gameplay have to do with a movie adaptation, man?
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06/09/2010 01:09 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
skizelli Wrote:
A fan is a fan.


And I would disagree that people who only care about the fatalities DO qualify as fans. That's like saying you're a fan of pies but you hate every part but the crust. It's just not true.


The same could be said about people who are only interested in MK's story and not so much its gameplay, which hasn't been any good since UMK3. Like I said, a fan is a fan.
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06/09/2010 01:11 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Santar Wrote:
Now I'm just curious here, but do you really play a fighting game first and foremost for the story? Doesn't actual gameplay come first?


What does gameplay have to do with a movie adaptation, man?

I got the impression he was talking about the games, not the movie.
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06/09/2010 01:14 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
They made Spider-Man and Iron Man perfectly true to the source material, so there's no longer any excuse for them to change things when they adapt something like MK. It's got enough detail and depth to work perfectly the way it already is.


Actually, they didn't make them exactly like they were in the comics, and some fans revolted against them at first.

Spider-Man used a can for his web shooter in the comics, not straight out of his wrist, as well as other things along the way such as he accidentally kills Gwen Stacy in the comics when she's falling from the building and he tries to save her his web stops abruptly instead of slowly descending thus causing her neck to snap from whiplash. I am sure there's a lot more differences but I can't think of anymore off the top of my head.

In Iron Man the movie his house has a computer AI system built in named Jarvis, but in the comics JArvis was actually a human butler. I am sure there's more changes as well...but I honestly don't know a whole lot about the Iron Man comics.

X-men were altered, Deadpool was drastically altered in Origins, and so was Batman in his movies...and I would assume all the other super hero films. The fact is, not everything translates into film that well. They also have to appeal to the masses, not just the hardcore fanbase...because that's not going to be worth the budget to make a good movie.

That's not to say I wouldn't want the characters in an MK movie to be as close to the games as possible. I've already stated I wasn't a fan of Reptile and Baraka's new changes...but in the overall picture I could live with it as an alternate more realistic approach.
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06/09/2010 01:18 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
Temp. MK isn't exactly quality storytelling.

At storytelling specifically, yes. MK does not succeed as a narrative. But...

Chrome Wrote:

Story for MK is about giving a background, motivation and resolution for each character for each game (no wonder long-timer characters are stale, they continuously need to be around).

And anyone who does the piece work will be rewarded with what I believe is a truly art-filled story. Figuratively speaking, the MK story would kind of look like fragments of a stain glass window placed together on the ground.

I would also disagree about the old-time characters. Subzero, Noob, and Sektor are still going strong.

Chrome Wrote:
Have to admit, Liu Kang turning into an arcade and smashing the opponent isn't really funny after a while.

I'm just going to have to agree to disagree there.
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06/09/2010 01:19 PM (UTC)
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Santar Wrote:
blackcyborg Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
blackcyborg Wrote:
You honestly lose respect because people have different taste than you?


Not always. Just when that taste is "I only like the series for the gore". That's just childish and lowbrow.


You're right, but at the same time, MK wouldn't be nearly as popular as it was if it didn't have the gore. IMO the most important part to me is the characters and story, but that's not to say I don't think the gore plays a big factor as well. Hell, all the backlash of MK vs DC being a T game where there was less gore and the Fatalities were toned down...that's proof enough that the majority of hardcore fans of the series find the violence the game is known for, important. I was one of the ones who wasn't bothered by it...because to me the spirit and fun of MK can't be taken away by one or two of it's trademarks...because it has more going for it than just those. Thus, that's why I could give a movie like that a chance.


Now I'm just curious here, but do you really play a fighting game first and foremost for the story? Doesn't actual gameplay come first?


Not all fighting games, only MK. I love MK's characters and it's story. Obviously the gameplay is important otherwise it's not worth playing, but I wouldn't call myself a gameplay snob no. I have enjoyed the gameplay of all the MK fighting games for what they had to offer, but at the end of the day I just have fun with the characters. That's not to say I don't appreciate gameplay when it's really good, but so far none of the games have matched UMK3's gameplay in the competitive department. If I wanna face a friend in MK, we play that game.
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06/09/2010 01:23 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
They made Spider-Man and Iron Man perfectly true to the source material, so there's no longer any excuse for them to change things when they adapt something like MK. It's got enough detail and depth to work perfectly the way it already is.


Actually, they didn't make them exactly like they were in the comics, and some fans revolted against them at first.

Spider-Man used a can for his web shooter in the comics, not straight out of his wrist, as well as other things along the way such as he accidentally kills Gwen Stacy in the comics when she's falling from the building and he tries to save her his web stops abruptly instead of slowly descending thus causing her neck to snap from whiplash. I am sure there's a lot more differences but I can't think of anymore off the top of my head.

In Iron Man the movie his house has a computer AI system built in named Jarvis, but in the comics JArvis was actually a human butler. I am sure there's more changes as well...but I honestly don't know a whole lot about the Iron Man comics.

X-men were altered, Deadpool was drastically altered in Origins, and so was Batman in his movies...and I would assume all the other super hero films. The fact is, not everything translates into film that well. They also have to appeal to the masses, not just the hardcore fanbase...because that's not going to be worth the budget to make a good movie.

That's not to say I wouldn't want the characters in an MK movie to be as close to the games as possible. I've already stated I wasn't a fan of Reptile and Baraka's new changes...but in the overall picture I could live with it as an alternate more realistic approach.


Well I deliberately left out the Batman and X-Men films because of the large degrees of changes. Spider-Man 1 and 2, both Iron Mans, and Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk are the ones I would use as an example of "doing it right" because they have so far been the closest to the source material (and it's no coincidence every one of them is an excellent movie) and my point is just that some video games with rich enough stories and characters like MK aren't so different that movie studios can't do them that way too.
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06/09/2010 01:43 PM (UTC)
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I guess I never gave my thoughts on it after I posted the original Sub Zero mock ups before they made this.

I love it.

It will never grab the general audience if they ever made a movie with the huge mess of a story that the series has grown into.

Players complaining about missing fantasy elements or that Baraka isn't like the original (terrible?) design can pop in MK Annihilation and drool over the mess of a story any time they want.

I soooo like this Baraka over the original. Some people like the cartoonish nature of where the series has gone though, and I can understand that.

The best part of this clip is the rumbling it caused on the web. Twitter went berzerk over it within a few hours yesterday and brought a spotlight back to the franchise.

Crow gave a great summary that I completely agree with on an earlier page.
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06/09/2010 01:47 PM (UTC)
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JayboH Wrote:
I guess I never gave my thoughts on it after I posted the original Sub Zero mock ups before they made this.

I love it.

It will never grab the general audience if they ever made a movie with the huge mess of a story that the series has grown into.

Players complaining about missing fantasy elements or that Baraka isn't like the original (terrible?) design can pop in MK Annihilation and drool over the mess of a story any time they want.

I soooo like this Baraka over the original. Some people like the cartoonish nature of where the series has gone though, and I can understand that.

The best part of this clip is the rumbling it caused on the web. Twitter went berzerk over it within a few hours yesterday and brought a spotlight back to the franchise.

Crow gave a great summary that I completely agree with on an earlier page.


I agree with this. I like this Baraka over the original.

I like a more serious tone to my video games. I am also one of the few who prefer Twisted Metal Black over Twisted Metal 2.
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06/09/2010 01:52 PM (UTC)
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I liked Twisted Metal Black, but that still had magic elements in it. Calypso was granting wishes and Sweet Tooth's head was on fire.
I'm not against every gritty take on MK. I liked elements of Proce's artwork, for instance. I just want it to still be a story about mythology and realms like it's always been, not a turf war between cops and gangs in "Deacon City" wherever the hell that's supposed to be.
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06/09/2010 01:55 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I liked Twisted Metal Black, but that still had magic elements in it. Calypso was granting wishes and Sweet Tooth's head was on fire.


So if Shang Tsung was granting wishes and Kano's head was on fire, that would be suitable magic to you?
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