Would like to see Joe in WWE...am scared of what would happen to Joe in WWE.

I don't think WWE would want Joe. He's not as sellable as people like Hogan,Sting, and Bubba Ray who all left TNA and went on to do WWE televison.

Interesting to note that "Samoa Joe" was trending globally after the story broke.
Regardless of true value, that's obviously a measure WWE likes to talk about. The real issue being whether that type of thing can outweigh what they like in a wrestler in terms of physique, style, history and attitude.


That's got to be the real issue. Hypothetically, I think Samoa Joe could be very bankable. That only works if you play him to his strengths, though. At his best, I think that means putting the sport first, and nurturing a strong and technical style. WWE don't do that right now. If they did, they'd probably have a few more stars on their hands (eg; Cesaro).

If you take ring style and history away - can Joe work?

Probably not. The look is always going to be a stumbling block and everybody knows it. One of the top sides of reducing everyone down to simpler elements and repackaging them, though, is that there's really a lot of potential for just about anyone to work given the opportunity.

Theoretically I'd love to see match-ups between Joe and guys like Rusev, Cesaro, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins... Maybe even Danielsno, Bray Wyatt... He'd be a real solid US title type guy, but you could certainly build him up. If it worked, you could go higher. If ringstyle became a point of difference, you could probably build him up as big as a Lesnar opponent. (Apparently Paul Heyman sniffed at the story, too. Joe a Heyman guy? That could work!)

In a world where wrestlers came in with their old gimmicks and cache, I could imagine Samoa Joe taking Roman Reigns out of the 'Mania title picture at Fast Lane and giving him an obstacle to overcome! Everybody wants to talk about Roman Reign's lineage? Well, guess what? There's more than one Samoan dynasty in town. Resentment overdrive. Reigns gets the seasoning he needs. Fantasy booking aside - lots of potential.

if WWE can't or won't sign Joe to the main roster off the bat, and send him to NXT instead then wtf would be the point?

Enzo Amore is amazing on the mic.

I ended up picking up WWE Superstar Collection Rey Mysterio. Was alright for what I paid for was like 11 something.

Was just really lazy with no special features no music or animation at the menu. Also only had 4 matches. It was nothing like I hoped for. But then again its only 90 min long. Still think the best Mysterio dvd has to be Biggest Little Man.

Anyways I'm thinking of picking up the Paul Heyman dvd was wondering what I should expect from it for those have seen it or bought it.

Agreed, but I just gotta believe this type of change is coming. Bryan is over right now because he's one of the hardest working guys on the roster. If it can happen for him, it can happen for anyone.

Was gonna throw out a nugget about body types, success, and Keven Owens, but quickly realized that's an NXT thing. NXT, where dreams come true, you just don't get paid as much.

- New Videos of The Undertaker, ROH SpikeTV Rumor Killer, Updated WWE Fastlane Betting Odds

The Undertaker and his wife, former WWE Diva Michelle McCool, posted the videos below thanking fans for their support of the “Cheyanna’s Champions 4 Children” campaign.

People have been obsessing about the breakdown of Undertaker for most of the last decade, but if the latest myths needed busting, I think the video sure helps.


NXT isn't a bad thing to consider, though. When you look at the success of Owens but also the fact they've just brought Rhyno in, they're obviously looking not just at a more wrestling heavy style (on the Network), but also bringing in experienced hands to help season talent in training. In that respect - Samoa Joe could be a great guy to have. It just depends how deep his 'indie habits' are, and whether or not that's seen as a problem.

I feel like giving oxygen to the sport and getting back a more intense ring style is still a long way off for WWE proper. I think as long as they're pitching to broad demographics they're going to revert back to keeping it simple. I live in hope, though. Because I think it's a no brainer that "good" wrestling can be a major draw and still represents some of their highest highs - even if I don't think you can argue that simple makes success in the 2010s (just generally).

Fastlane seemed pretty by the numbers. If it wasn't setting up, it was keeping warm. Seems like a heckuva lot of rematches coming out of this. A bit insipid, but we've been doing weak builds for years now. At least they've got things in place, this year.

Kidd & Cesaro winning probably the big surprise, to me. Kidd's the big winner in that deal. Cesaro isn't where he should be. Wouldn't mind a four way tag team match with The Usos at 'Mania. Keep building The Ascension and The Prime Time Players on TV to fill that scenario out.

I don't know that a three-way Wrestlemania main event is necessarily off the table yet. You don't establish a three-way by having Bryan Danielson win a straight contender's match at Fastlane. The three-way announcement comes after that. It still could. I don't think it will, though.

You could've made the argument it's been so long since a Royal Rumble winner lost his spot this scenario would've been a valid time to undercut it, but with all the shenanigans of last year, keeping it clean is so much better. The mistake was January. It's done. Gotta play it out and accept the result.

Much as Roman Reigns doesn't strike me as a good contender, I think the call for a Fastlane win was probably right. Can't forget that you need good contenders beyond Wrestlemania. Bryan Danielson is still a hot option - especially if Reigns takes the gold.

It's amazing. One of the most entertaining (and insightful) DVDs WWE has ever put out. It really shows how amazing of a guy Paul Heyman is.

Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar would've been amazing. They had a chance to fix it and they didn't.....

P.S. that crowd was awful.

I'm I the only one that thinks that Bray Waytt is extremely boring and has had boring feuds? I honestly can't stand his promos, they bore me so much. And all of his feuds have been so underwhelming. I don't see what the potential for this guy is.

This may be the first year where I won't enjoy The Undertaker match at WrestleMania.

oh i think i agree with you

I think it's just the same problem that plagues most feuds, these days. Most are tepid and slow moving. Outside of a couple of marquee feuds, the motivations are dot points, and the progress is long and drawn out. They're working to reach dates and kill a lot of time, rather than developing memorable grievances and personal issues.

Bray Wyatt might stick out more than others purely because he's one of the few over-the-top characters they have, but he isn't generating new material the way those characters should. The Wyatt character is wrapped up in a mythic philosophy, but he ultimately has none, and his feuds aren't giving it to him. All his roads keep leading to nothing. His mythology has no lasting or memorable consequence.

The Undertaker could help Bray Wyatt clarify and contrast, but the odds of Undertaker being around enough to really build off of seem slim.

It's got to be about more than the streak being broken, and the unmotivated meeting of two spooky characters. They'd probably do themselves favors if they just lent into things and made Bray Wyatt's entire existence about this moment. Sell his battles with Kane and John Cena as training for his true goal to face Undertaker. Sell his relationship with Rowan, Harper, Kane and Bryan Danielson as an attempt to dabble in Undertaker's methods (RE: The Ministry; maybe have the Family return for the match). Sell the HIAC ghost projection as matching the Undertaker's connection with the realm of the dead. Maybe even have some sort of ghostly promo with Paul Bearer, or Undertaker's parents. Etc etc.

Just build up all those comparisons and use them to define the Bray Wyatt character. Then use it to slingshot him forward. He doesn't even have to beat The Undertaker. It might be better if he doesn't! If he's competitive but loses, he can get one final nudge to develop, and nobody's upset about seeing the Undertaker lose two in a row.

They've got a lot to work with in the next month. It's not over yet.

Bray and The Wyatt Family are the best characters ever made. I never get bored of seeing any of them fight.

"Its still real to me!" etc etc.

well you do make valid points dude

Anyone else feel very turned off by the product? Not just disinterested or frustrated, but genuinely uncomfortable with how the WWE has been operating? The thing with CM Punk and Dr. Mann's bullshit suit against him, #GiveDivasAChance trending and the overall treatment of women in WWE, the bullshit "brass ring" thing, Lesnar walking out, the booking...

I don't know. I canceled my subscription. I'll probably renew it somewhere down the line because of course I will, but for now I just feel bad if I keep supporting the WWE. I really hope something big happens back stage. Lesnar bailing on Wrestlemania would be incredible

The thing is, Bray Waytt has little credibility, at least in my opinion, on being a contender to possibly defeat The Undertaker at WrestleMania. What has he done in the past year for him to deserve facing the deadman, let alone have the ability to defeat him?

Every other year, The Undertaker has faced legitimate guys. Well-established, respected, accomplished guys. Let's not forget - Bray has only been in the WWE for only 1 year (NXT doesn't count). He still hasn't done enough for me, to take him serious in facing The Undertaker. As a matter of fact, for me, he doesn't even deserve this match. Facing Taker is a big deal, especially at WrestleMania. And Bray is just not deserving of it. WWE are practically giving him this match for no reason. No matter what creatives do, and how they want to build this feud, I just don't buy into it. First time it's happened to me.

Aside from that, his promos just don't work for me. Half the time I can't understand what he's saying cause he says it in a stupid voice, and all the stuff he talks about just makes me tune out completely. I have no dislike to Bray, I think he can wrestle good, but I think his character is whack and to be honest, he isn't as over as you think right now. He got a little pop when he came out of the casket on Raw.

Waytt has not evolved in the past year, and it's beginning to show. He's grown stale.

I'm actually more interested in the HHH vs Sting, Cena vs Rusven feuds. And Randy vs Rollins - it has all the makings of a great match. Lesnar vs Reigns is really taking off.

Glad I'm not alone on this one. I prefer Rollins, Reigns, and Ambrose everyday of the week over Bray Waytt.

You get to match-ups in different ways. Sometimes it's going to be about a mega marquee dream match (Lesnar, Michaels, Triple H) -- sometimes it's going to be character and/or story driven. Both are valid. Mixing it up helps keep things fresh.

Bray Wyatt's an Undertaker opponent because the characters (in theory) click thematically. There's an obvious inequality between the two, but that's just a dynamic of booking the match. It's something to work with - especially where building Bray Wyatt is concerned.

At some point, you've gotta do something to get your young guys over. Where Wyatt's Nexus & NXT time does count is in the company's ability to trust and invest in him as a talent. This can be a constructive opportunity for Wyatt and his long term development. A key piece of legacy building. Remember - Undertaker faced Jimmy Snuka at Wrestlemania VII, Jake Roberts at Wrestlemania VIII. Inequality happens and helps. (Granted, Undertaker isn't where Snuka was in '91).

Undertaker's days are numbers, Bray Wyatt still has plenty of time to grow.
Obviously in terms of presentation you want to strengthen the plausibility of Bray Wyatt beating The Undertaker, but from a booking perspective, I don't think you ever consider Wyatt winning. It's not necessary. Wyatt gets enough out of just having the big match and the program leading up to it. Fans don't need to see Undertaker lose another one. Wyatt losing keeps everyone happy, gives Undertaker another notch, and pushes Wyatt to continue growing. Which has obviously been a weakness of the character.

There are better feuds on top. That just makes sense.
Triple H/Sting definitely ticks all the boxes. Cena/Rusev is pure and simple.


I think some of this is just viewing the dirtsheets through the prism of a heel/face dynamic. It's shifting the wrestling serial to a different pseudo-reality (still stripping of the day to day practicality of a global, publicly traded company). The #GiveDivasAChance hashtag sticks out to me, though, for one big flaw - it doesn't address the reason the Divas were relegated in the first place.

Remember - "Divas" matches were a boring, lazy courtesy for a very long time! They eventually got dropped with pretty good reason. It was wasted time that (for a little while) was put to better use. The Divas might've kept that spot if the wrestling was better, which is a much bigger, company brand issue. #GiveWrestlingAChance seems like a better tag, to me. It could help everyone - women included.

I'm with you 100%.

It's sad when I say I wish I could go back to 2008, forget going as far back as the Attitude or RA eras. Feuds mattered and talent didn't stagnate nearly as much as it does now.

See the point I'm trying to make is that while I understand that while it's story driven at times, it still doesn't mean that a character should just be rushed into this kind of match, especially a character that's still relatively new to the business. Look at all the past Undertaker opponents - they are all top guys - Ric Flair, Michaels, HHH, Edge, to name a few. Hall of Famers and future Hall of Famers. How can you honestly put Waytt in the list of opponents that faced Taker at WrestleMania and take him seriously? He'll just look like an outcast, to be honest. Someone just placed there.

Sure, thematically, Bray and Taker are similar - they got this whole freaky, crazy, dark theme to them, but that can't be the sole purpose as to why Bray gets this match.

I just find this match rushed, unnecessary, and pointless. If this match had taken place 3-4 years from now, I think I would appreciate it more (Yes I know Taker would be retired, but then don't have it at all). It would make sense for the character because he would have been more established, more respected, and grown as a character. He would have probably held titles or won something significant in his career. He hasn't done any of those two things yet, which is why his credibility, just for fans to actually say "Waytt might actually beat The Undetaker", is slim to none.

You know what a good spot in the match between Bray and Taker would be? Midway in the match have the lights go out and then they come back on have Erick Rowan and Luke Harper standing on either side of Bray. The Wyatt family is reunited right there. They then triple team the Undertaker. Bray gets the victory after a long match. Undertaker passes the torch the right way and retires.