Misawa was injured so many times and still wrestles night in and night out he just fought threw it.
It was said that his neck was messed up like a son of a bitch and so was the rest of his body.
And you don't need steroids to do what Misawa did in the ring saying that is just fuckin stupid.
Your just talkin out of yours ass man.

Uh, no. You have absolutely no fucking clue what would've happened. It's just common sense that regular human beings can't look into alternate realities. You have no idea what Misawa would have accomplished.

He was injured so many times and his neck and the rest of his body was messed up like a son of a bitch from what? King's Road style. But he just fought through it how? Steroids. If you don't need steroids to do what Misawa did in the ring, please show me somebody who worked a comparable style on a comparable schedule without being on steroids. Because I'm pretty sure there isn't anyone. On the other hand, it is possible to find guys who worked comparable styles on comparable schedules who actually were on steroids (the remaining three of the Four Pillars, Akiyama, Tenryu, etc). Go figure.

Zentile, please join me in reality. Saying I don't KNOW what would've happened if Misawa wasn't on the gas is like saying "you don't KNOW that Hulk Hogan wouldn't have been just as popular if he was five foot tall and 130lbs. He might have been just as popular!" Simple logic dictates that such an outcome couldn't possibly occur, but since we can't actually PROVE it because we can't see into alternate universes, I guess we'll just have to disregard logical thought and accept it as a possibility. Right? Right. It appears to me that you're basically burying your head in the ground because the observable facts challenge your point of view regarding the merits of steroid usage.

That's okay I suppose, if it makes you happier to see things that way. But your willful ignorance doesn't translate into a very good case to support your point of view, and it certainly doesn't convince me. Not that I'm trying to insult you, but your point of view is grossly unrealistic.

Yeah, I'm not going to even touch this one.

Shibata, it's crystal clear that you really are not getting what I'm saying at all, but I don't know how to put it any better. It's written in perfect English. As always, you're not really counter-pointing what I'm saying, you're just assuming I'm saying something completely different.

any way. it seems Mysterio might have gotten himself into more trouble:

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

WWE officials held a meeting yesterday concerning Rey Mysterio's recent actions and how he will be creatively handled on television.

As noted, there was much internal heat on Mysterio for his Spanish-language interview with The Record in Mexico over the weekend. He did not get the interview approved ahead of time, which is standard company protocol. There was talk that if they didn't punish him, fellow talent could follow suit and bury the company in the future. Back in the WCW days, talent would frequently bury the company without consequence. Unlike WCW, WWE prefers not opening themselves up to that, hence the need for interviews to be approved of.

Whether Mysterio thought he could do a Spanish-language interview to explain himself to fans and potential sponsors in Mexico without it ever reaching the United States remains unknown.

Regarding creative plans for Mysterio dropping the Intercontinental title at tomorrow night's SmackDown taping, Vince McMahon wanted all potential options evaluated. More than likely, it will not be as simple as Dolph Ziggler beating him in a singles match. In fact, because that is the "expected result," you should expect something different to take place on this week's show. However, it likely won't be different enough for it to result in Mysterio not dropping the title.

Mysterio is hopeful he can get his suspension overturned when he discusses the situation with management tomorrow.

also, a TNA wrestler is in deep shit:

The following is from WSTB.com:

A professional wrestler was arrested on drunken driving charges during a traffic stop Friday in Smithfield. Daniel Christopher Covell, 39, of Palmdale, CA, who is known by his ring name of Fallen Angel, was charged with driving while impaired after police said he registered 0.14 on the Breathalyzer. Officer J.A. Calzaretta Jr. stopped Covell’s 2009 Dodge Charger in the 2300 block of South Brightleaf Boulevard for a traffic violation, which led to his arrest. Covell was released on $2,000 bail.

And now Jenna Morasca is gone from TNA.
The woman who bought Samoa Joe out and got him into the main event mafia
is now gone.
TNA can't book for shit.
What's new?

who cares really? good riddance to her.

does suck that angelina love has been released. from what i understand her work visa has expired or is getting ready to.

Nigel Mcguinness has also now been approached by the WWE with a contract.

I think the man def deserves.

first Danielson and now McGuinness. two gooders for WWE

McGuinness won't last because he doesn't know how to have a match that doesn't center around either slow and relatively complicated matwork or stiffing the shit out of people. Those are his only two modes. I like them both. WWE does not. I don't even know why WWE would pick him up to be honest, seems like a waste of everyone's time.

you don't know that for sure. obviously someone in WWE sees some potential with him

Well, you're right, I don't know for sure in this instance (unlike the Misawa thing). And I wish him all the best because I like him. But I'm not holding my breath. Given that Birchill is a bigger, better looking, more stylistically WWE-friendly Brit, and hasn't had much luck getting over, I just can't see McGuinness doing what he couldn't. Then again it depends on how determined WWE are to get him over. If they give him the Orton push I'm sure he'll catch on.

Well I think they're taking their need for new stars seriously. Nigel and Dragon are easily two of the most talented indies at the moment and WWE thinks they can be part of the future.
I do think Nigel will easily adapt to WWE style to be honest. Yes, he loves having those awesome matches that he can have in the indy scene, but I'm confident he can shift his moveset and style to be WWE friendly.

WWE (probably) has a bad reputation for putting over indie guys for whatever reason, but don't forget about CM Punk of course... they handled his push very well and look where he is now. Personally, I think WWE knows what it's doing with both of these guys and I expect big/good things out of it.

Bad reputation? How?

They did good with Punk and Sydal, but it's not enough to erase their bad rep of how they handled Birchill, London, Cabana, Gibson, Kazarian, Spanky in his first few WWE runs, Super Crazy, etc. Almost everyone in the cruiserweight division basically. I'm forgetting a lot of people but list is pretty endless. Moreso if you count Japanese and Mexican circuit guys like Ultimo Dragon, Juvi, Psichosis, etc.

Jesus, WWE have squandered some great fucking talent over the years.

^^ not to mention joe and aj.

how bout that wicked judo chop bob barker gave chavo? pfft

I finally had made a decision and am goin to WCPW wrestling school here in Chicago.

I've made an epointment to go this sat. at 8am.
And i'm getting a tour and some training.
Makin it even this far is a huge accomplishment for me cause everybody told me I couldn't do it or it was a joke etc. etc.
I can't freakin wait.

does anyone know what matches are on the rise and fall of wcw and if so can you please list them.

You should join an amateur wrestling club or combat submission wrestling club also. It will greatly improve your chances of looking professional in the ring. Good luck. And for the love of God please don't become the next Marufuji.

There's nothing like legitimate sports to prepare you to be a good and respected pro wrestler. Good amateur and submission wrestling is great to go with standard pro wrestling training, well said by Shibata.

Also don't forget that being a pro wrestler SHOULD mean hitting the gym regularly. You should always be working on either your look (muscle mass, definition etc) or your cardio. You should focus on cardio first if you want to be a decent worker, wrestling a short wrestling match is a lot more tiring than it seems. When you're running the ropes, doing dropdowns and leapfrogs and selling arm drags and suplexes and lifting your opponent is exhausting, especially if you do shows outdoors with a raging sun. Just last weekend I wrestled on both Saturday and Sunday outside, with scorching sunlight. It was brutal just doing short little matches (though I was wrestling from morning to late afternoon).

Great job on focusing on what you want and going for it. Good luck.

Thanks both of you and yeah now that you guys mentioned it i'll probably take some extra classes.

I've been preparing my body and thought now would be a good time I went from 145 to about 175-180.

When I was talkin to one of the refs there yeah he did stress how important cardio is so I better get up on that.

I appreicate your guys help and advice

I just can't wait for the journey i'm about to go on.

here they are on disks two and three only:

Disc #2 --WWE: The Rise & Fall Of WCW
1. NWA World Championship Wrestling - June 15, 1985 $1,000 Challenge Match - Ric Flair vs Magnum T.A. [14:14]
2. The Main Event - April 3, 1988 Sting, Lex Luger & Barry Windham vs Ric Flair, Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (W/JJ Dillon) [13:11]
3. The Great American Bash - July 10, 1988 United States Championship Match - Dusy Rhodes vs Barry Windham [18:21]
4. Chi-Town Rumble - February 20, 1989 NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match Ric Flair vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat [26:16]
5. Wrestle War-February 25, 1990 The Rock 'n' Roll Express vs The Midnight Express [26:43]
6. The Great American Bash - July 17, 1990 NWA United States Tag Team Championship Match, The Midnight Express vs. The Southern Boys [19:02]
7. Superbrawl - May 19, 1991 WCW World Tag Team Championship Match - The Steiner Brothers vs Sting & Lex Luger [11:48]
8. The Great American Bash - July 12, 1992, WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match - Sting vs. Big Van Vader [18:15]
9. Spring Stampede - April 17, 1994 WCW International World Heavyweight Championship Match - Rick Rude vs Sting [14:28]
10. Bash At The Beach - July 17, 1994 WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match - Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan [25:38]

Disc #3 -- WWE: The Rise & Fall Of WCW
1. Nitro - April 29, 1996 WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match - Ric Flair vs The Giant [10:03]
2. Clash of the Champions XXXIII - August 15, 1996 WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match - Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Dean Malenko [11:35]
3. Fall Brawl - September 15, 1996 War Games Match - Team WCW-Sting, Lex Luger, Ric Flair & Arn Anderson vs Team NWO - Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall & A Mystery Partner [20:44]
4. Souled Out - January 25, 1997 Ladder Match For The United States Championship - SYXX vs. Eddie Guerrero [18:45]
5. Uncensored - March 16, 1997 No Disqualification Match for The United States Championship Eddie Guerrero vs Dean Malenko [22:04]
6. Superbrawl VIII - February 22, 1998 WCW Cruiserweight Championship Title vs Mask Match - Chris Jericho vs Juventud Guerrera [2:07]
7. Superbrawl VIII - February 22, 1998 WCW Unified World Tag Team Championship Match - The Steiner Brothers vs The Outsiders [16:35]
8. Bash At The Beach - July 12, 1998 Diamond Dallas Page & Karl Malone vs Hollywood Hulk Hogan & Dennis Rodman [11:19]
9. Halloween Havoc - October 25, 1998 - WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match: Goldberg vs. Diamond Dallas Page [27:32]
10. Nitro - August 7, 2000 WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match - Booker T vs. Lance Storm [17:14]

I watched the dvd it was awsome