The language Zentile, Icebaby, and well anyone with half a brain speaks is in the world where we know wrestling isn't real. You should join sometime

Did I specifically say all the users? No, I said a good majority of them are Cena fans, get that straight the next time you read my post.

Orton's attitude was created by the writers who's basically scripting how these matches are supposed to end. Rather they want him to win it fairly or not. The writers are making it to where he cheats in his matches, Orton himself has no control over that whatsoever. So clearly, if anyone you should hate more, are the writers not the wrestler.

And you mean the writers making it an I Quit match, just making Vince announce it to the crowd. He's not sick and tired of seeing title matches ruined. In fact, he could care less what kind of a match goes on, as long as it's making him millions. And I doubt that they'll push their limits. If they did, I would be seeing blood, but ever since this new kiddie era came about, I've yet to see blood splatter.

So yeah, basically... yeah, I really got nothing more. And I know I should be ignoring this... but I'm not use to ignoring things.

Legend, I've been fairly respectful with you. I recognize that we're simply not speaking the same language. You talk about wrestling like it is real (Cena is strong enough with the few moves he has, etc) and there is NOTHING wrong with that. I'm glad you can do that, I'm glad you're a fan of the product that way. We are NOT. We don't watch wrestling to see the babyfaces win all the time and we don't despise Orton because he needs to cheat to win.

Don't try putting it any other way, we're just not speaking the same language. It's not that we disagree, we're just not even on the same dimension of thought.

cena sucks. puts on the same crappy match every time, and the moves that he does use are botched half the fuckin time.

if it wasnt for his teenie bopper rapper gimmick getting him over with kids and teen girls, he wouldnt be in the ring now.

Yeah yeah, Cena sucks is a crap we love wrestling blah blah blah... I'm really tired of all this shit...

Erm, because that's what pro wrestling is supposed to be about? Rather than climing ladders or escaping cages or removing objects from poles?

As I understand it, only the main events will be submission matches. I'm guessing we're going to get about three submission matches. An I Quit match is already confirmed, so maybe we'll finally see the return of the Ultimate Submission match (Iron man submission match).

Anyways, Rey Mysterio has now been suspended. One look at Rey and you could tell that guy was full of steroids.
Seriously though I hope they do a tournament for the Intercontinental championship now. It'll give midcard guys stuff to do. A long, 8 man tournament would be nice for once.

Dolph Ziggler, Matt Hardy, R-Truth, Tyson Kidd, DH Smith, John Morrison, Finlay and Charlie Haas would make a nice little tourney.

Well, Mysterio has never been at a Scott Steiner level of "wtf steroids", but that's sad...Rey was one of my faves...

I don't get it Shingo, it's not like he's dead. He can still be one of your favorites, dog = )

hmmmm, Ziggler will get his lucky break.

So much for a long IC title run!

It's the fact he does this shit. I kinda lose respect for those who have to artificially buff themselves for performance...

You guys do realize that a Wellness violation doesn't necessarily mean steroids, right?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/243888-breaking-news-rey-mysterio-suspended-for-violating-the-wellness-policy

Knowing he's been caught using them in the past is pretty damning to him, but specifics aside...

http://corporate.wwe.com/documents/TalentWellnessProgramOutline2-27-06CORPweb.pdf

He was suspended for violating this policy (drug use and/or substance abuse), and that's enough of a letdown for me. Steroids or otherwise, this is pretty bleh...

Mysterio, Benoit, Eddie, and Angle are all out of the WWE now. Chavo and Cena are next. The old Smackdown Six Pack is going down.

But 4 cerealness, Mysterio gone means the IC title is free. I wonder how they'll explain that

Rey Rey is an avid pot smoker, but that's the only other drug he does. And that comes with a $2,500 fine per violation, not a suspension, so I think it's pretty safe to say this is due to him being on the gas.

Which I don't see a problem with. Steroids a lot of the time aren't used in WWE by guys to get really ripped, they're used as a necessity for making their lives more tolerable. In one instance they're used much the same way steroids are used throughout Japanese pro wrestling; not to get ripped and look good, but purely to put on bulk so that the muscle/fat protects to the body and reduces the seriousness of the abuse these guys put themselves though due to bumping so much and having such a rigorous schedule. The other way steroids are often used is just to speed up recovery time and promote quicker muscular-skeletal healing. Again, because Vince demands his guys work an unreasonable amount of dates, all year round, up to three or four matches per week. Try that for a few months when you're getting older and no matter how much you try tough out the pain, it's going to wear you down or you're going to run into injuries.

I really think that would apply to Rey. He's not going to look shredded no matter how much steroids he takes, and he doesn't need to either because his position and popularity doesn't require it anymore. If he's juicing, it's because his body is a broken down wreck and he has no knees left so he uses to help with the pain and to aid recovery. Also consider that he takes the biggest bumps of anyone in WWE relative to his size. Because he has less surface area to dissipate force on ukemi, a bodyslam from Kane does Rey shitloads more damage than a bodyslam from Kane damages Edge or Orton.

I think people who look down on pro wrestlers for using steroids are living in a fantasy world where the human body doesn't break down no matter how much abuse it takes, and everyone has time to spend five hours a day at the gym and at get eight hours rest each night AND eat properly all while being on the road. Steroids in pro wrestling are a good thing if used wisely, because they help guys recover faster, potentially look better, be in less pain, be able to work more shows more happily, and be able to take bigger bumps without getting hurt, which makes for more exciting matches. You just have to cycle properly and know when to give it a rest, because if you don't, you end up like Eddie or Misawa. But if you do, you end up like Choshu, on the gas for thirty years and still going strong despite being a chain-smoking heavy drinker.

I'd rather them not take steroids than ruin their bodies by constantly and artificially suscepting it to damage that's more than the body is meant to take.

With the suspension of Rey Mysterio going into effect next Wednesday (September 2nd), it is likely that Mysterio will be dropping the Intercontinental Championship at the Smackdown tapings on Tuesday in Cleveland, OH. It's interesting that they are letting him work one more week even with a wellness violation. They could have easily shot an angle without him next week where he would be stripped of the title.

And to Shibata using steriods in wrestling is never ever a good thing. More harm comes out of it than good.

its no secret that rays been on the juice for years. he was so tiny in wcw and started gettin huge out of nowhere.

Then, I guess, you have a moral qualm with the majority of pro wrestling.


Firesnake, I couldn't agree less. If not for steroids, there would be no Kings Road, no Kobashi or Misawa or Kawada (no Marufuji either who I think I recall you being a fan of), no burning hammer, no tiger driver 91, there would be no Hulk Hogan, no Ultimate Warrior, no Macho Man; no WWF as we knew it and subsequently no WWE as we know it. The downside of steroids is that people who abuse them and don't know their limits end up shortening their lives. But the best pro wrestling matches of all time and the best pro wrestlers of all time have only been made possible through steroid usage.

That's the tradeoff. Death for glory. Because of steroids, Misawa died fairly young but he died a hero to pro wrestling fans, and a national icon to his countrymen. If he hadn't of taken steroids, he would still be alive, but nobody would even know his name and he would eventually die for nothing and be forgotten.

Rey is only suspended for 30 days. He just signed a new contract not long ago... and he's not dead, so... he's not "out" of the WWE at all. He certainly isn't the first person to be suspended, and if he's not like Booker T and accepts his punishment, I'm sure he'll be just fine.

Shibata, saying that Misawa wouldn't have accomplished jack shit without steroids or the world of pro wrestling is downright pessimistic, if not insulting. You really have no idea what would have happened if he hadn't been on the juice, so I don't see how you can back up your claims in any way.

Pretty much.

I know exactly what would have happened. Have you watched Misawa help found the King's Road style, perfect it, then bludgeon it into death with overkill? Taking repeated, massive, ridiculous headrops like that over and over again in every match day after day on tour simply could not have been achieved without injury if not for the decreased recovery time and increased muscle mass steroids provide. It simply could not. Therefore, his match quality would be greatly reduced, because that's what his matches largely consisted of as that was the meat and potatoes of Kings Road. And he would be lucky to be half as popular in comparison to the rest of the AJPW roster, who were roiding, and who were putting on those performances.

Which is really all a moot point anyway because Baba wouldn't even have pushed him due to lack of size and he probably would have remained as Tiger Mask II and quickly been regarded as a failed investment due to his sub-par performance of the gimmick (which it was; even if he was a good wrestler, he easily the worst Tiger Mask). Kawada - a steroid user (like everyone else) - would have got his spot for being built like a brick shithouse. Even dispite being shorter and less "handsome." Then when Akiyama came along, he would have ended up playing the role to Kawada that Kawada played to Misawa in the mid 90's.

It's just common sense, really.