It was a fantastic match, actually. Lesnar beat the living shit out of Frank Mir, but Frank was always trying to get Lesnar's leg and at one point he did it and made Lesnar tap out to a knee bar.

so, gnrlies, lesnar losing a match in ufc makes him a loser? lets see you go in there and you will likely get the shit beat outta you

You don't get the whole Brock Lesnar point at all, don't you?

And that's a little harsh to say to someone. Yeah, you really don't get the point at all.

Despite it being a good match, despite Brock beating the crap out of the other guy in the majority of the match, he still lost. Just because someone gloats around doesn't mean you should get so offended. I didn't think you loved him that much.

CHEERS!

If Brock Lesner keeps on going with this he might end up going against Bobby Lashley in a year or so...

NEVER believe hype....I think we all learned that little lesson for the Famous Goldburg Vs. Brock Lesnar at WM20...yeah....need i say more?


Brock Lesnar has been and always will be nothing but hype. He's just another powerhouse that gets pushed in every compony he has worked for. But now, he's in a real, COMPETATIVE SPORT, sport being the key word. And in a sport it's not sheer size or strength that matters, it's technique and skill, as proved in not only that fight, but in the Superbowl last night. Pat's played stupid, just like Lesnar, and in the end, lost...

So, plain truth, Lesnar sucks. Just because he's a "beast" doesn't mean anything. I mean, look at Bob Sapp. He's a BIG dude, but that means next to nothing in competative fighting.

Lesnar's far more than just a power house. He's fast, agile and a pretty good mat guy.

TNA has posted the full card for this Sunday’s Against All Odds pay-per-view on their official website. Against All Odds will be live on pay-per-view from the BI-LO Center in Greenville, South Carolina. Below is the full listing of matches:

Predictions for those who might care:

TNA World Heavyweight Championship
Kurt Angle (c) vs. Christian Cage
Winner: Angle, cause it seems TNA's kissing his ass

TNA Women's Championship
Awesome Kong (c) vs. ODB
Winner: I don't care

6 Man Hardcore Street Fight
Team 3D & Devine vs. Motor City Machineguns & Jay Lethal
Winners: i'll say Team 3D and Devine

Barbwire Massacre *
Abyss vs. Judas Mesias
Winner: Abyss

TNA World Tag Team Championship
AJ Styles & Tomko (c) vs. BG James & "Bullet" Bob Armstrong
Winners: I'll be bold and say BG and Daddy Bullet.....NOT....oh god I hope TNA doesn't give a 60 something or 100 something old fuck the gold...so I think AJ and Tomko will win of coruse!

Grudge Match
Booker T vs. Robert Roode
Winner: Booker gets some sweet revenge

Drinking Championship
"Cowboy" James Storm vs. "Showtime" Eric Young
Winner: Showtime EY

Women's Match
Payton Banks vs. Traci Brooks
Winner: Who cares

* Due to regulations from the state of South Carolina, the Barbed Wire Massacre match between Abyss and Judas Mesias was taped at the most recent TNA iMPACT tapings in Orlando, Florida. TNA will air the match from tape during the pay-per-view.

500 pages....wow.

anywho...wwe has release six more developmental wrestlers.

- George "G-Rilla" Murdoch
- Antoni Polaski a.k.a. "ECW Original" Amish Roadkill
- "Badseed" Shawn Osborne (Shawn McGrath)
- Robert Anthony
- Cassidy Riley
- Ace Steele

NOOOO! Not the developmentals! NOOOooooo

Why?

How can they let go Ace Steele (aka Ace Steel) he's such a great wrestler. Well I hope at least he'll go back to ROH.

I know that this was all scripted... but Vince telling parents that are watching the WWE to make their children kiss thier asses when they get in trouble has to be one of the funniest things I have ever heard on this show. The funniest.

Right next to Shawn saying "Oh my God! IT's a blackout." While he was in commentary during the Undertaker's entrance.

Finlay and Vince Wrestlemania? Or NWO?

By the way, what ever happened to Jason Sensation? He still doing voices?

CHEERS!

Is it sad that TNA has a more represntable Womens division already then WWE does now? I'm actually excited to see the Womens title match. Awesome Kong Vs. ODB should be something fun to watch (even though it might not be what you people would call "exciting")

It's somehow sadder that WWE has a more ''represntable'' heavyweight division than TNA, when TNA clearly has the better talent.


And Sub Frost, I don't think Vince vs Finlay will reach a PPV match. Finlay's already on the Smackdown! elimination chamber match, and McMahon vs Finlay for Wrestlemania... just sounds wrong, Finlay's not big enough a babyface star. They better get Mick Foley involved in this quickly and make it Foley vs Vince.

I'm not being bi here, but I will tell you that yes... even though I don't watch TNA (Why I'm not sure) but I've seen commercials where I see a litle bit of the women wrestling and they look tough. Ours... they look like me. 5'3... 105 pounds... yeah and how much do the women on TNA weigh? The only possible women in WWE that could pull off the stuff they do in TNA is Beth. But yet, she really has no competition if all the women in the WWE are only in it for Playboy offers and whore shit. Trish Lita and Chyna would be the others that would step the female competition up a notch, but because they all left, you have nothing. I don't watch the women fight at all. The only time I actually did was when I was at my first WWE event. (The one before Wrestlemania 23 and I know this becuase I busted my knee open during softball practice before going to this event) and I'm like... this is SHIT!

They don't pull off a good hype like all the hot men (Not gay here) show.

Besides, am I like the only girl that's in this thread or are there someone else besides Chaos that is a girl?

I've always had some sort of interest to actually try to join the WWE when I'm out of school. But if I'm still 5'3 and 105 pounds when I graduate... there is no chance I'll make it in the WWE or TNA or anything like that.

But enough of trying to actually make a big saying about women competition, can we see some blood on this show for once? It's been a while and damnit I want blood. Not to mention that we haven't had a good hardcore match on Raw since Edge was back on... I want BLOOD DAMNIT

CHEERS!

I like the womens divison in TNA and Cherleader Melissa is in it to but I hope she drops the whole muslim gimmick.

But the best place to look for great womens wrestling and wrestling in general is the women of Japan. They make wwe and tna's look sad.

And another thing I can never respect the women's divison in wwe it's so sad and pathetic.

Japan is without question NOT the best place to get the best wrestling, mind you.

Triple H was not on Raw last night due to a "family emergency". Does anyone know the details????

O.o That's Cheerleader Melissa?! When the hell did she sign with TNA??

Night Off, Most Likely....


As for the place with the best wrestling, i am Very Partial to Lucha Libre. Everything mexican wrestling has is entertaining. And, because i don't speak a WHOLE lot of Spanish, i can ignore storylines and just go with what i see.

I have always been a fan of Japan's style of wrestling as well.

Could you explain why I want to here your opinion.

What I don't like about Lucha Libre is that there's no psychology in there it's just move after move and dosen't tell a story.

Yeah I hate lucha, and in that sense puroresu is FAR superior than the mexican style of wrestling.

The thing about Japanese pro wrestling is that it's

a) Too stiff

and

b) Too back and forth


And in that aspect, it's just not the best kind of pro wrestling available in the sense that it's just not standard or entertaining for most people. If you want to learn to wrestle, WWE and ROH are usually the best places to check out.
Before you learn stuff like back and forth storytelling relying mostly on physical ability, heel vs face wrestling is really the most important one to follow.

IMO

WWE?!?!?!?!? Maybe to learn how to wrestle, but that's pretty much wasted when you actually perform on live TV.

That's what i'm planning on doing is going for ROH wrestling school.
But the thing is with ROH (not that I hate it) is that it's heavily influenced by the Japanese style now. Not every match but you can see if often especially in the main events but not to the degree of say like NOAH, Dragon Gate is another japanese promotion that's not to heavily stiff I really like their style.

Every time you perform on live TV, you're also performing in front of a live crowd, and live crowds want to be entertained.
Like a very wise friend of mine said when we went to see a ''TNA house show'' here in Portugal, ''Billy Gunn's a better worker than Christopher Daniels''. He said this because while Christopher Daniels did his X division style match with Johnny Storm, Billy Gunn interacted a huge deal with the crowd, and got heavily involved with a few members of the crowd (namely us). He did his job, which is to entertain. Daniels didn't even respond to our chants and reactions, it was just move after move after move, never even looking to the seats.
Also, unlike lucha libre, the WWE style is based a lot on in ring psychology. Heels are always fantastically defined, and so are the babyfaces. We're talking about the company that got people to chant for Heidenreich here. When body parts are worked on, it makes sense and it's felt throughout the whole match. Hope spots are always entertaining and the finishes are usually entertaining and tell a good story, without being the total mess that TNA Impact! matches are.

WWE is incredibly under rated. Not that I enjoy it's product particularly, but really, technically it's pretty much the best there is.

In terms of working the actual wrestling there's no way Billy Gun is better then The Fallen Angel.