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Zentile
01/27/2008 04:32 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Frost055 Wrote:
I don't think Taker should win this time. Last year's rumble was classic. I doubt that WWE is going to do the same thing. If they are, have two different people.

It's either have two completely different people, or have Michaels win it again.


Why only those two ways? Michaels isn't going to win it, there's zero momentum for him. There's dozens of ways of doing great Rumble finishes, just because it's the same man winning the Rumble as last year, it obviously doesn't mean they have to do the same finish.

Expect a similar one though, perhaps with Triple H and Taker.
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01/27/2008 06:27 PM (UTC)
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Hardy > Orton

Jeff will obviously become the new WWE champion.

Rey > Edge

Rey is fair unlike Edge
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PhoenixWinterborn
01/27/2008 08:08 PM (UTC)
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Randy Orton(c) vs. Jeff Hardy for the WWE Championship:
Winner: Randy Orton
Reasoning: As much of a mark as I am for Jeff Hardy, I highly doubt he's going to win tonight. Although...with all the viginettes they've been doing for him lately, I could be wrong...

Edge(c) vs. Rey Mysterio Jr. for the World Heavyweight Championship:
Winner: Edge
Reasoning: There is no way Rey is going to win this. Edge is has too much heel heat, puls with Chavito, Ryder & Hawkins, plus Vikie Guerrero. They're all going to have some part in this match. Count on it.

MVP vs. Ric Flair: If Flair loses, he must retire
Winner: Ric Flair
Reasoning: Flair is not going donw to someone like MVP. Sorry. End of story.

John Bradshaw Leyfield vs. Chris Jericho
Winner: Chris Jericho
Reasoning: No reasoning behind this one. Just got a gut feeling Jericho is gonna walk out the winner tonight. Royal Rumble Match Winner: The Undertaker Reasoning: As much as I hate to say it children, Taker is getting ready to hang up the 'ol boots, so they're more than likely gonna send him out on top..
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Zentile
01/27/2008 08:13 PM (UTC)
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legend_armlet Wrote:
Hardy > Orton

Jeff will obviously become the new WWE champion.

Rey > Edge

Rey is fair unlike Edge


You're dead wrong. Hardy doesn't stand a chance against Orton. I guarantee you.
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Sub-Frost055
01/27/2008 08:20 PM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
Sub-Frost055 Wrote:
I don't think Taker should win this time. Last year's rumble was classic. I doubt that WWE is going to do the same thing. If they are, have two different people.

It's either have two completely different people, or have Michaels win it again.


Why only those two ways? Michaels isn't going to win it, there's zero momentum for him. There's dozens of ways of doing great Rumble finishes, just because it's the same man winning the Rumble as last year, it obviously doesn't mean they have to do the same finish.

Expect a similar one though, perhaps with Triple H and Taker.


I wasn't thinking when I wrote this.

It should be either this way:

HHH and Taker - HHH wins it

HHH and HBK - I'll let you be the judge of this one

If they have a big guy winning it, I will be stunned. Not since 1993 we had a fat guy winning the Rumble. And that was Yoko. Big guys should get more belt opportunities.

If Hornswoggle wins (even though there is no possible way) I will adore him more than I have in the past. I LOVE MIDGETS.

But there can be 30 answers to this question, so I'm going to say... who ever wins it, wins it. I'm getting a headache trying to see what I think could happen. Although I do want Randy to retain. I like Hardy, but there's still some things about him that doesn't make him WWE Champion material.
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01/27/2008 11:41 PM (UTC)
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My predictions for tonight:

Flair vs. MVP:
MVP will probobly get some good offense for awhile, Flair will then start battling back with some chops and start working on MVP's legs. Eventually MVP will go to the outside and stall to avoid Flair and to regain some stamina. Then, a possible Matt Hardy run in and he catches a fleeing MVP and tosses him into the ring, or he runs up and distracts the ref allowing Flair to get a low blow and a roll up for the win. This would reignite Hardy and MVP's feud and also give Flair a victory without taking away from MVPs image. Though, Hardy may not be back this soon because they want to sell the head punt, but either way, I see Flair winning illegally.
Winner: Flair via rollup 14 minutes.

Jericho vs. JBL:
I see this feud going on til Wrestlemania, so it won't end here with Y2J going over clean. Now both these wrestlers are coming off a fresh return, so neither would want to take a clean loss, because their momentum would be killed. So I see it happening in 1 of 3 ways.
1.JBL intentionally DQ's himself and attacks Y2J and just beats him down again, giving the win to Jericho.
2.Jericho snaps and just starts beating down JBL, giving JBL the victory, but Y2J will get redemption.
3.Its a no contest because they both just ignore all rules and unleash hell upon each other.
Either way, its going to be a brutal fight, and I don't expect to see much Wrestling taking place in this match.
Winner: No contest, match gets thrown out.

Rey vs. Edge:
This one is pretty obvious, Edge will not lose the title. But, it should be a pretty good match. Throw in some run-ins from the Edge Heads, and Mysterio will probobly fight them off and deliver a double 619, only to get speared from Edge just in time for the Ref to get up for the count.
Winner: Edge via pinfall 22 minutes.

Hardy vs. Orton:
Easily the most exciting and anticipated match on the card beyond the Rumble itself. Hardy has made believers out of the doubters, and he has proven he can put on a main event level performence. IMO despite the plans they had for this feud, right now is the time to put the title on Hardy. Heres why: He is something new and fresh, he gets amazing pops, and he is the first face in a long time that most people really want to break through that level and become champion. From being force fed guys like HHH, Cena, Micheals, and Lashley...Jeff is something new. Plus, with all the momentum he has, it would be a big mistake not to carry it on and break through the barrier and pull a MAJOR upset and surprise by having Hardy take the belt off Orton. Then have him hold it to Backlash, or hell even just Mania, and drop it to someone else. That way you can test and see how well he really does. Keeping the belt on Orton would be dull come Wrestlemania, because we have seen that match already. Assuming HHH goes to face the champ at Mania either by Rumble or Chamber...HHH vs. Orton isn't interesting, we have seen it time and time before, with both alternating face and heel. I know its unlikely, and I know it probobly won't happen, but I am going to atleast support the best possible scenario. Orton beats Hardy down, Hardy comes back, but Orton counters him and works him over some more. Hardy is out on his feet out there, and Orton gives Jeff a monsterous RKO...for the 1...2...Jeff kicks out! Orton in disbelief gets frustrated and goes to punt Jeff in the head...as Orton runs Jeff reverses and backdrops Orton, and eventually hits the Twist of Fate on Orton and Jeff hits the Swanton for the 1...2...3! Matt comes in to celebrate.
Winner: Jeff Hardy via pinfall 35 min.

Royal Rumble:
Its down to either Batista, Taker, HHH, or HBK. Seing as I don't see Batista or HBK getting the title back, I am narrowing it down to HHH and Taker. I believe it comes down to Taker and HHH, and I am going to say...Taker wins it. Only because I don't see Taker in the Chamber...I see HHH winning it. Based off of that and the Chamber being advertised as a RAW event...I have to say Taker wins it.
Winner: 64:23...Taker.

Thanks for reading. Happy Rumbling tonight.
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01/28/2008 12:47 AM (UTC)
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My predictions for tonight:

Flair vs. MVP:
MVP will probobly get some good offense for awhile, Flair will then start battling back with some chops and start working on MVP's legs. Eventually MVP will go to the outside and stall to avoid Flair and to regain some stamina. Then, a possible Matt Hardy run in and he catches a fleeing MVP and tosses him into the ring, or he runs up and distracts the ref allowing Flair to get a low blow and a roll up for the win. This would reignite Hardy and MVP's feud and also give Flair a victory without taking away from MVPs image. Though, Hardy may not be back this soon because they want to sell the head punt, but either way, I see Flair winning illegally.
Winner: Flair via rollup 14 minutes.

Jericho vs. JBL:
I see this feud going on til Wrestlemania, so it won't end here with Y2J going over clean. Now both these wrestlers are coming off a fresh return, so neither would want to take a clean loss, because their momentum would be killed. So I see it happening in 1 of 3 ways.
1.JBL intentionally DQ's himself and attacks Y2J and just beats him down again, giving the win to Jericho.
2.Jericho snaps and just starts beating down JBL, giving JBL the victory, but Y2J will get redemption.
3.Its a no contest because they both just ignore all rules and unleash hell upon each other.
Either way, its going to be a brutal fight, and I don't expect to see much Wrestling taking place in this match.
Winner: No contest, match gets thrown out.

Rey vs. Edge:
This one is pretty obvious, Edge will not lose the title. But, it should be a pretty good match. Throw in some run-ins from the Edge Heads, and Mysterio will probobly fight them off and deliver a double 619, only to get speared from Edge just in time for the Ref to get up for the count.
Winner: Edge via pinfall 22 minutes.

Hardy vs. Orton:
Easily the most exciting and anticipated match on the card beyond the Rumble itself. Hardy has made believers out of the doubters, and he has proven he can put on a main event level performence. IMO despite the plans they had for this feud, right now is the time to put the title on Hardy. Heres why: He is something new and fresh, he gets amazing pops, and he is the first face in a long time that most people really want to break through that level and become champion. From being force fed guys like HHH, Cena, Micheals, and Lashley...Jeff is something new. Plus, with all the momentum he has, it would be a big mistake not to carry it on and break through the barrier and pull a MAJOR upset and surprise by having Hardy take the belt off Orton. Then have him hold it to Backlash, or hell even just Mania, and drop it to someone else. That way you can test and see how well he really does. Keeping the belt on Orton would be dull come Wrestlemania, because we have seen that match already. Assuming HHH goes to face the champ at Mania either by Rumble or Chamber...HHH vs. Orton isn't interesting, we have seen it time and time before, with both alternating face and heel. I know its unlikely, and I know it probobly won't happen, but I am going to atleast support the best possible scenario. Orton beats Hardy down, Hardy comes back, but Orton counters him and works him over some more. Hardy is out on his feet out there, and Orton gives Jeff a monsterous RKO...for the 1...2...Jeff kicks out! Orton in disbelief gets frustrated and goes to punt Jeff in the head...as Orton runs Jeff reverses and backdrops Orton, and eventually hits the Twist of Fate on Orton and Jeff hits the Swanton for the 1...2...3! Matt comes in to celebrate.
Winner: Jeff Hardy via pinfall 35 min.

Royal Rumble:
Its down to either Batista, Taker, HHH, or HBK. Seing as I don't see Batista or HBK getting the title back, I am narrowing it down to HHH and Taker. I believe it comes down to Taker and HHH, and I am going to say...Taker wins it. Only because I don't see Taker in the Chamber...I see HHH winning it. Based off of that and the Chamber being advertised as a RAW event...I have to say Taker wins it.
Winner: 64:23...Taker.

Thanks for reading. Happy Rumbling tonight.
Blackcyborg


Very descriptive, I like how you specifically classify how long you beleive the matches will last. And you brought up a good point, I do beleive the rivalry between Jericho and Bradshaw will last up to Wrestlemania.

As what Borat said: Very Nice!

CHEERS!
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Zentile
01/28/2008 12:54 AM (UTC)
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Bradshaw vs Jericho going a ''draw'' is a pretty good point. I've predicted all along that their feud was going to go into Mania, and yeah, Jericho winning clean would ruin it. Good call.
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01/28/2008 02:38 AM (UTC)
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Ugh.....despite the fact that it most likly will NOT happen, i am pulling for Kane as always in the Rumble. Kane almost ALWAYS dominates the rumble, but eliminated by the dude that wins when there is about 4 people left. it's always and always will piss me of that Kane not only doesn't get pushed, but doesn't WANT a push.


Anyway, Flairs last match will be at the rumble against taker, which taker will win ending Flairs carreer. Meaning, he will win tonight.

Jericho snaps...and gets DQ'd, as said above

Edge will, Of Corse, beat Rey rey

Orton will (Hopefully) win the match

And, finally, i want one of these 4 people to win

Kennedy
HHH
Tommy Dreamer
Kane

There are my predictions (even though i know i'm a little late on them)
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01/28/2008 02:57 AM (UTC)
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Orton retains
WWE Writes:
NEW YORK – Before their title match tonight at Royal Rumble, some critics believed that fate – especially a Twist of Fate – was on Jeff Hardy’s side and working against WWE Champion Randy Orton. After all, Orton’s personal head games, which had arguably defeated other opponents before they even stepped into the ring, had not worked on the Intercontinental Champion, who had left him facedown and even sent him to the emergency room in recent weeks. Attacking Jeff’s brother Matt only fanned the fires of his desire to be WWE Champion.

However, tonight, Orton put a damper on Jeff Hardy’s fiery run at the title. But the “Rainbow-haired Warrior” had nothing to be ashamed of. As our fans in New York City’s sold-out Madison Square Garden chanted, “Hardy! Hardy!” he looked around and bowed and then waved. Drenched in sweat and out of breath, Hardy could barely pull himself up. Jeff didn’t leave the Garden with sports-entertainment’s most coveted prize, but he may have Swanton Bombed himself into a spot as a persistent challenger for the WWE Title.

The personal issues between the two Superstars – and Jeff’s apparent willingness to do anything to snare the WWE Championship from Orton – made tonight’s match one of the most anticipated in recent memory. Fans in attendance at the Garden were still buzzing about Hardy’s 30-foot Swanton Bomb onto Orton that sent them both to the hospital and gave Raw a “Holy S@#t!” moment. Hardy made a statement that night: He was serious about taking Orton out and snaring the WWE Championship, even if he had to be carried out on a gurney with the gold resting on his lap.

What better place for another “Holy S@#t” moment than the Mecca of sports-entertainment, Madison Square Garden? Our fans expected a war between Hardy and Orton, and they got one. Jeff’s trademark “devil-may-care” style was on display, but he tore into the third-generation Superstar with a fury that made even his longtime observers gasp.

But there’s a reason the Legend Killer is known as a viper. Like so many times before, Orton struck a fatal blow just when he was cornered and appeared on the verge of defeat. Hardy found out that Orton’s RKO can be just as sudden as a Twist of Fate – and it led to his demise.

While Orton slithered out of the ring and held his WWE Championship aloft, New York’s faithful booed, called him names that we can’t repeat here and gave a salute – the middle-fingered kind. Like it or not, the Legend Killer is continuing to build his “one-man dynasty.”

However, Orton may not have seen the last of Jeff Hardy. Tonight wasn’t Jeff’s night, but he may have other nights ahead. Someday, the WWE Championship may still be Jeff Hardy’s destiny.
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01/28/2008 03:36 AM (UTC)
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Umm..

Edge vs. Rey

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NEW YORK – The family that stays together – and cheats together – once again won together at Royal Rumble. SmackDown General Manager Vickie Guerrero’s involvement enabled Edge to defeat Rey Mysterio and escape Madison Square Garden with the World Heavyweight Title still slung over his fortunate shoulder.

The Big Apple got a taste of rottenness to its core, care of the Rated-R Superstar and his “opportunistic” (or underhanded) victory in the World’s Most Famous Arena. Supported at ringside by Zack Ryder, Curt Hawkins and his General Manager main squeeze, Edge could barely withstand the torrent of high-impact offensive attacks from his opponent.

Mysterio – who looked to make this Rumble as successful as it was for him in 2006 – took the fight to the champion and came within inches of seizing the gold on several occasions. The overwhelming odds stacked by the Ultimate Opportunist and his clan were further balanced when referee Mickie Henson ejected Ryder and Hawkins from the arena.

Just when it appeared that the Master of the 619 might reclaim the World Heavyweight Championship, the “Guerrero family’s” most influential member inserted herself in the match and interrupted Mysterio’s attempted pinfall. Seconds later, Vickie – up from her wheelchair – received a 619 from the challenger. This distraction, however, enabled Edge to prepare for Mysterio’s West Coast Pop from the ring apron and land a perfectly planted spear directly into the masked Superstar’s abdomen, for the win.

The Rated-R Superstar’s triumph was undoubtedly attributed to his family and though Edge’s injured lover didn’t leave New York City celebrating, the championship remained in the family


Um...

Y2J vs. Bradshaw:
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NEW YORK - Even the vast confines of Madison Square Garden could barely contain the hard feelings built up between Chris Jericho and JBL. The personal hostility between the two exploded in a bloody battle Sunday night at Royal Rumble, with the Lonestar Loudmouth taking the brunt of the shrapnel, but emerging victorious nonetheless.

Jericho attacked his opponent like a man running on a reservoir of pent-up rage. Y2J has been fueled over the last several weeks by JBL’s despicable behavior, including dragging Y2J across the floor with a cord wrapped around his neck and making unconscionable comments to Jericho’s children.

The physicality of the match quickly became severe and, at one point, JBL hurled the lion-hearted warrior into a ring post, causing a massive gash to open across Jericho’s forehead. But as the crimson oozed down Y2J’s snarling façade, it seemed only to feed his anger. As blood continued to flow, the Lonestar Loudmouth left the ring to pursue his rival. But Jericho had reached the breaking point. He grabbed a chair and slammed it against JBL’s head, losing the match by disqualification.

He wasn’t finished yet, though. In a scene reminiscent of three weeks ago, Jericho pulled an electrical cord to the ring, wrapped it around JBL’s neck and yanked the Lonestar Loudmouth against the ropes.

The battle between these two men has now grown dangerously personal. How much further will either man go to exact their revenge


And Umm...
Ric and MVP
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NEW YORK– With his livelihood on the line in a Career Threatening Match, Ric Flair found a way to win and keep his career going Sunday night at Royal Rumble. When MVP thought he had snatched victory and forced Flair into retirement, the referee ruled that the match would continue, giving new life to “Naitch,” leading him to the victory via his legendary Figure Four Leglock.

In the weeks leading up to the contest, MVP bragged that he would be the Superstar to end the illustrious sports-entertainment reign of the 16-time World Champion. At Royal Rumble, however, Flair showed why he has been at the top of Space Mountain his entire career, taking the brazen Baller for a ride he won't soon forget.

With his years of in-ring experience and the raucous capacity crowd in Madison Square Garden firmly behind him, Ric Flair delighted our fans by silencing the cocky Franchise Playa and surviving to fight another day. The “Nature Boy” is fighting with the same fire and focus that has made him one of the most celebrated Superstars in WWE history, and the “Dirtiest Player in the Game” is pulling every trick out of his bag to ensure he goes out on his own terms


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01/28/2008 03:51 AM (UTC)
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GOOD LORD!....just when i think they couldn't possibly have cena come out on top.....son of a bitch.
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Sub-Frost055
01/28/2008 03:53 AM (UTC)
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Omg... Omg... I OFFICIALLY HATE CENA. Zentile I want to hear what you think please. You're good with words.
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Cyborg
01/28/2008 04:24 AM (UTC)
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Well, it was either HHH or Cena...and really I am bored with both of them. HHH puts on better matches, but seeing him face Orton would have been boring and over done...but now we have Cena going against Orton, which is fresher...but also has been done before. IMO WWE is dropping the ball and making huge mistakes by having Hardy not win, and by having the same guys constantly in the title picture. When is the WWE going to start pushing new guys to the top? Im sick of getting the same people shoved down our throats as champions and contenders...HHH, CEna are the worst, but then you have Micheals and Taker and Batista...its stale because they all have faced each other time and time again.
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01/28/2008 05:02 AM (UTC)
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Yep, didn't see that one coming....I'm never gonna watch WWE again....
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01/28/2008 05:40 AM (UTC)
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WWE is officially dead.
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01/28/2008 04:41 PM (UTC)
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gnrlies1992 Wrote:
Yep, didn't see that one coming....I'm never gonna watch WWE again....


I'm sure they could care less, LOL! grin tongue

Any way, I love the fact that WWE and Cena were able to play us all for fools, by making us believe that he wouldn't be back for awhile, then he shows up and wins the Rumble. I was very surprised and disappointed, cause I was hoping Triple H would win.

Anyone wonder how this worked, Finley was suppossed to be in the Rumble yes or no? He comes in and gets DQ'd and then all of a sudden Cena's in the Rumble, wtf?
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01/28/2008 04:52 PM (UTC)
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Cena throwing off HHH of the Royal Rumble to win = Priceless.
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legend_armlet
01/28/2008 05:10 PM (UTC)
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With Cena's return, the WWE championship will obviously change hands at wrestlemania XXIV

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01/28/2008 05:13 PM (UTC)
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legend_armlet Wrote:
With Cena's return, the WWE championship will obviously change hands at wrestlemania XXIV



Yea, it obviously will. It also means that Orton won't be dropping it to HHH or Hardy before that.
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01/28/2008 09:09 PM (UTC)
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Let's first see what will happen at No way out.
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Sub-Frost055
01/28/2008 09:40 PM (UTC)
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Umm. I'm not seeing this Orton losing the title with Cena. Can't he just go to Smackdown and face Edge?

You know, I'm tried of this guy getting more belt opportunities than anyone else. If Cena didn't injure himself, he'll still be champion right now.

I hate him!!! Even if WWE makes up who wins the title and who doesn't win and stuff like that, I still hate hte guy in real life. He's just your annoying jerk like Tom Cruise.

Oye, and can we stop with Ric Flair and carreer threatning matches? Ya know that Ric will be winning them match after match after match.
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01/28/2008 09:56 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
legend_armlet Wrote:
With Cena's return, the WWE championship will obviously change hands at wrestlemania XXIV



Yea, it obviously will. It also means that Orton won't be dropping it to HHH or Hardy before that.


And it's a shame too, imo. Although as Zent pointed out time and again, hardy may not be the best performer, but he is over beyond belief, and with Hardy as champion, business would pick up for sure, to put it into J.R.'s terms. What would be good maybe is Hardy vs. Orton vs. Cena at WM, with Hardy winning, and Cena doing a heel turn. Just a thought....
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01/28/2008 11:01 PM (UTC)
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HBK vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania. I can see this happening for some reason if the Kennedy feud is over.
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01/29/2008 01:04 AM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
WWE is officially dead.


Why, because all the matches on the Rumble sucked, or because Cena returned and won the Rumble? Because of it's option number two, you're crazy, it was an amazing and great move by WWE.

EDIT: Well, to elaborate on my Rumble review.

Ric Flair vs MVP was nothing more than a Smackdown! match, and it sucked balls. Flair botched the sell of a knee to the gut or head or whatever, and won with the slowest figure four of all time. Bullshit.

The Ken Kennedy/Ric Flair/HBK/Batista/Triple H backstage promo was priceless, especially when Michaels basically did an advert for his new t-shirt.

JBL vs Jericho was god awful, but JBL's botched sell of the bulldog was worth watching it. Other than that, JBL's heat was crappy and boring, Jericho's comeback lacked interest or impact, and the finish, while brutal, wasn't really very interesting and it's basically what they did with the JBL / Eddie feud in 2004.

Edge vs Mysterio... wow. What a huge disappointment. These guys botched move after move, a lot of spots barely made any sense and it overall just didn't have the feel of a pay per view match. Just like Flair vs MVP, this match could've been on Smackdown!. The finish however, was really fantastic, and I loved that. Other than that... the MSG crowd had good reason to boo Mysterio like they did.

Orton vs Hardy... another huge disappointment. This feud was incredibly over, and so was Jeff. These two guys have done everything to each other lately, including Orton knocking out Jeff's brother Matt and Jeff jumping off the top of a steel structure on RAW onto Orton. That's Wrestlemania-feud-big, and they threw the whole thing out in a simple, boring match which saw a finish that's been done on house shows and RAW over and over again. Instead of keeping Hardy strong as he has been, they basically leveled him back to the midcard with Orton's nearly clean win. Horrible.

The Royal Rumble match was boring, boring, boring. There was nearly nothing interesting about it, with the exception of the amazing finish. Great for Cena fans and great for WWE, it was an awesome moment. I was sad that Noble was eliminated so quickly, and Shelton too, but I'm glad Chavo eliminated Punk.

It had a few interesting spots but it was mostly boring.

Overall the 2008 Royal Rumble gets a 7/10 out of me. Overall it would've been 5/10 or 6/10, but Cena's surprise return was huge.
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