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Major Changes To ECW; Heyman Removed From Booking Duties:

** Dave Sherer has reported that a meeting took place before Tuesday's edition of ECW on the Sci-Fi Channel between Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn and Paul Heyman. Citing disappointment with the reaction at ECW Arena in which fans chanted "This show sucks", low ticket sales (particularly for the July 4'th show in Philadelphia) and a 15% drop off in ratings from week one to week two, Vince McMahon made the decision to put an end to the "ECW Style", including a break from all old ECW characters to be re-written and re-cast in the WWE style. The idea is to turn ECW into a third brand of WWE, with a roster and storylines more in line with that of Raw and Smackdown.

Paul Heyman's control of the ECW brand has been reduced to the capacity of "advisor", while Tommy Dreamer has been completely removed from the creative process, and will act only as an on-air character. Heyman had written a script for last night's show, but it was all but thrown out when Vince McMahon disapproved of it's content and had the WWE creative team re-write the show from the ground up. Paul Heyman was also relieved of his backstage duties, as WWE brass took over and ran the show as they ran Smackdown later that night.

It is expected that the staff of ECW referees will be given their release as the company moves away from the ECW image and incorporates the brand into the WWE fold. ECW ring announcer Stephen D'angelous has already been terminated by Vince McMahon.

Mike Johnson adds in his report that beginning with last night's broadcast, the ECW roster will not be flown in for television tapings, but instead will only call for the appearance of those scheduled to work that particular show.

The general opinion backstage is that when ECW finishes it's 12 week scheduled run on the Sci-Fi channel, it may be reduced to an internet program for WWE.com, or done away with altogether.

Hahaha!! WWE blows.

i told you it would blow up in vinces face. anything he does that isnt wwe failes.

and the only reason wwe was a big as it got and overtook wcw in rating is because they showed tits on tv. all he done was put the springer show in a wwe ring. wow, true genius.

OMG!!!!11! TEH SURPRIS3!!!!11

Holy shit, this is the blackest day in wrestling since Eddie's death.

It has just been announced by Mitsuharu Misawa that Kenta Kobashi, arguably the best heavyweight wrestler EVER, the near invincible, ass kicking, head dropping angel of sick lariats and and burning hammers, has been diagnosed with kidney cancer. Fuckfuckfuck. Gutted. Kenta Kobashi has more talent in one arm than WWE has had in it's entire locker room combined over the last three years. He has enough fighting spirit to overcome brainbusters on concrete, six minute long chop battles of doom, and tiger suplexs from the stage to the floor, so lets hope he has enough to overcome this. He's having surgery to get the tumour removed and I don't know how serious it is to be honest, but anytime somebody is diagnosed with cancer, it's pretty damn serious.

Jushin Liger had cancer of the brain and overcame that, but even so, it took a pretty big toll on his health and he can't quite go the way he used to. I would hate to see that happen to Kobashi, that would be horrible. But if he overcomes this and returns to how good he was/is now, then that in my opinion, would be what pushes him off the top of the scale and makes him the single greatest wrestler ever to have lived.

WOW!

So much for giving Heyman a chance to actually put together a viable product. Really, it was doomed to fail. Even with the addition of WWE talent, it wasn't as if they were going to figuratively pull Excalibur from the stone in 12 weeks for everyone to stand back and marvel at.



Funny that Vince reacts to people chanting "This show sucks". It'd be interesting to see what he'd do if everyone sent WWE an email with the subject "WWE Blows and these are the reasons why."


Ghostdragon

Sucks to hear about Kenta. Does anyone know what stage it's in? How deep is it? I too hope he gets better.

Though, on a brighter note; woot woot!! Guess who's gonna be wrestlin', fellas? Yup, Gail, wahooo!! I'll buy the PPV just for that. Enjoyed Cornettes "meeting" last night. Though, I hope it doesn't become a regular soap box for him; falling into the Vince syndrome, stealing TV time from the actual show.

I've thought about writing a formal notice to WWE, explaining why I no longer support their product. I'm just wondering if it's even worth it. I mean, I'm all about fighting the good fight, but Vince/WWE is a different monster. He's insane, literally. There is something wrong with that man. I'm sure they get a tone of feedback, and the product is only getting shittier. :shrugs: Thing is, the average "fan" just eats it up.

"Oh, hahaha, a penis pump!! Faggot, faggot!!!" -_-

It's sad, too, because they have some amazing talent.

Anywho, back to searching for gail clips.

Actually let me list to you the reasons why WCW failed and WWE succeded:

1) WCW management didn't have a clue how to run a wrestling show
2) WCW lacked the management that WWE had
3) WWE had better superstars than WCW, and were willing to give guys a chance that got no where in WCW
4) Vince McMahon is a FUCKING GENIUS, even if he doesn't show it often enough
5) WWE shows were just allot more interesting then WCW

And you say that "all he done was put the springer show in a wwe ring. wow, true genius" Vince just gives the people what they want.

vince does give the people what they want, but he doesnt give the wrestling fans what they want. people didnt start watching it over wcw because it had "better" stars. people started watching because of people like stone cold went on the air cursing, drinking beer, and flipping the bird. not to mention the non stop sex storylines, stories that involved people being racist, and other none sense that doesnt belong in wrestling. over half the people that started watching the wwe during the "attitude" era werent even fans, they were watching because of all the dumb shit they were showing.

like i said, it doesnt take a genius to put the jerry springer show in a wrestling ring. if you think hes a genius, good for you. id expect that kinda thing from a wwe fanboy.

What? How are your opinions the reasons for WCW's "failure"? WCW didn't fail, it succeeded. One day, many years from now, WWE will also fall, but that won't make it a failure.

If WCW beat WWF for 84 straight weeks when WCW management didn't even have a clue how to run a wrestling show, that doesn't say much about WWF. It doesn't really indicate that WWF shows were a lot more interesting to people than WCW either. The guys at WCW knew very well how to run a wrestling show. All those great feuds between Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, Saturn, Eddie, Raven, Rey, Kidman, Ultimo Dragon, etc, etc, etc, didn't come from nowhere. WCW had some of the best wrestling i've seen to this day, as well as some of the best feuds and angles I can ever remember seeing.

I think the most outrageous claim there is that WWF had better superstars than WCW. In the time that WCW became popular, WWF barely had superstars. They had a couple of guys that were hot with the general public, and a handful of guys that were lukewarm. WCW had Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Flair, etc. WCW had a lot of established big names, whilst WWF was still trying to get guys like Mankind and Rocky Maivia over. On top of that, WCW had guys working there that nobody in WWE will ever be able to touch in terms of wrestling ability, past, present, or future, because they had a talent exchange programme with several Japanese promotions that were hot at the time - especially NJPW, who were really in their heyday. This ment having guys on their cards like Mashahiro Chono, Jushin Liger, Yuji Nagata, The Great Muta, and so forth. Take these wrestlers and add them to the WCW guys I mentioned previously (Ultimo Dragon, Jericho, Malenko, etc) as well as adding in some big South American names, combined with their superstar heavyweights like Nash, Hall, Hogan, Sting, Flair, Piper, Luger, and then later on Bill Goldberg, Bret Hart, etc, and that's one HELL of a roster. WWF only wished they could touch that. That's a large part of why WCW beat WWF for so long (it's also a large part of why WCW started to fall to peices, but that's another story).

Honestly, I think WCW wasn't that bad, and it could still have recovered and competed with WWF if it hadn't had the plug pulled on it. It was already starting to pick up right before it got canned. Sometimes promotions go through dark times, that's just the way it is. Look at WWF from 1995 up to just before the attitude era, it was shockingly bad, and some people were saying that WWF was going to be bankrupt in a few years. But it came back. WCW could very well have done the same if given a chance. And I don't really think anything WCW did was all that bad either, in the grand scheme of things. WWE now is doing stuff that's barely one step up, and I EASILY get the feeling that I could turn on Raw next week and see a Finger Poke of Doom Title Change, or Jack Black holding the World Heavyweight Title for a few weeks.

Hell, WWE have already broken kayfabe far worse than WCW did. They do it every week. Arguably the biggest WWE angle in 2005 consisted of a former WWE employee complaining about the company on the internet, then going on live television and telling the entire world that wrestling is fake and that everybody on the show is only playing a character, going as far as to use their real names. I'd say that's about on par with the angle where Russo told Jarrett to lie down in the ring so Hogan can pin him for the title, or any of the other stuff that happened in WCW.

I think before people chasitse WCW, Bischoff, Russo, Nash, and all the rest, they should take a long hard look at WWE's direction lately. Because as far as I can see, it's becoming near identical to WCW back then. The similarities bewteen WCW at the start of it's decline and WWE in it's current shape now are unreal. I'll be surprised if in three years, WWE hasn't become what WCW was in 2000. The only difference will be that everyone will still watch it.

WCW Kidman / Rey Rey matches = Godly.

Say what you will, but the Attitude era worked. I won't argue that the E veered off into Springer territory a few times to many, but it brought in fans. Fans that started off watching because of the Springer crap, but developed into fans of the sport.


I'm biased, 'cause I started with the attitude era, but I wouldn't love wrestling (not WWE) like I do today without it.

and its because of that "era" that wreestling is in the state its in.

I disagree. The E didn't know how to follow up. And without competition from WCW or ECW they didn't need to.

It's why TNA or RoH or someone needs to take off in a big way. The viewers need an alternative and Vince needs comp. Raw and SD can be damn hard to watch these days. Thus far, Impact does little to fill the void.

IMO, the attitude era itself wasn't "bad." I don't agree that the era itself "ruined" wrestling. It was the era after which has ruined WWE wrestling. I mean, WWE is totally different than even five years ago. It has been on a slow, yet predictable spiral into grotesque horse shit. But the WWF/WCW wars were, at times, pretty damn good.

I agree that another company needs to step up. TNA is in the position right now, and I think they're doing some decent things. Though, they have some issues, too. I think a lot of these issues are due to how much WWE has saturated the industry with that "WWE style" or that "WWE perception." It's almost like they have so much pull and influence, as fans we lose the capacity to appreciate a good product. Even when we're fed something of a better grade, wrestling and direction wise, such as TNA; we salivate due to starvation. Still accepting a sub par product, simply because we are starving.

How many of us get to see a truely decent product on a regular basis? I only get to see ROH through youtube and newsgroups. Same with CZW and most other international wrestling. I do have the opportunity to watch Lucha', I just haven't disciplined myself to get my ass sat down durring that time slot. So that's my fault.

Anyway, wrestling comes and goes. It's like it has cycles. I think it's in a cycle of decline right now, durring a time when certain companies are trying to fight that "WWE aura." On one hand, it could be increadibly shitty timing. On the other, it could be a great time to stockpile assets, feed us an ivy, then get shit rolling when interest begins to increase again - for whatever reason.

All I know is that I can barely watch a WWE product anymore. I watch SD now and then as long as I don't have anything planned and I'm just chilling around the house. We need another option, desperately. TNA, ROH.....WOW.....somebody fucking step-up.

I agree with you i hate the direction WWE has gone in and what i hate more is how there making ecw like wat it is now. When i was a kid i loved wrestling even thought i was 4 5 6 7 even until about 4 5 years ago i still loved it and watch all the good matches back then. But now its like i can predict whats going to happen and all this stupid bs there was 20 min a wrestling in a 2 hour raw show. They want to develop story lines and have jerry spriniger and fool ppl with fake sex shows just so someone can ruin it just to bring viewers in. Its a shame. i admit i don't know much about forgin wrestling though from what i hear its awesome and same thing wiht roh and cwz or w/e it is. I heard its all good though. but its a shame to the point only when i m really bored and because its not football season that i have to watch raw once in a while. i don't even watch smackdown cause its pathetic. Even though i think a few of the women can wrestle (stratus, victoria though they are taking away her agressiveness, mikie james) its just sex now. I do like TNA and i wish it did have a 2 hour slot becuase it is better then WWE any of its show. I did like DX and the attutide era alittle because it still had some good matches. but now its a reality show. Jerry springer and a soap oprea in one theres no more wrestling which make me sad.

WWE has been ruined. Ever since the alliance came it went downhill imo. It was okay for a while, then it just died when JBL came back. I loved seeing Steve Austin and Vince argue, and whatnot, The Rock mouthing off to everyone, Triple H doing his thing, the Hardyz, the Dudleys, and Edge and Christian having legendary TLC matches. Benoit, Angle, and Jericho were great back there. Now all there is is the Undertaker who's crap now, Kurt Angle who's the only one who improved, Triple H is the only one that was huge back in the early 2000s. Kane unmasked is crap, and Jericho qiut I think. Eddie Guerrero, and Cris Benoit were the best for a while until Eddie turned evil and played the Darth vader role. Benoit just stopped contending for anything big.

Yep, the WWE is over for me now. The only chance of it coming back is if Stone Cold returns. But he's not

Not many, I would say, but then again, probably not many people really care to go out of their way for decent stuff. I myself generally get to see a couple of good matches a week when I get handed links from friends to matches in ROH, CZW, TNA, IWA:MS, etc. I never see any lucha libre though. Like, ever. When I get more money i'll just start supporting ROH 100% by buying their DVD's, as well as getting puro through tapetraders, so I won't be watching a lot of WWE stuff. I guess i'll just download the big PPV matches - honestly, i'm so sick of paying for their PPV's only to have them shovel garbage at me. So no more of that.

But over the last two weeks I got hold of:

-Alex Shelley vs Bryan Danielson; older ROH match.
-Alex Shelley vs Bryan Danielson; Bryan Danielson's recent ROH title defense at Arena Warfare (great match by the way).
-Austin Aries vs Colt Cabana; Aries' ROH title defense.
-Alex Shelley vs Mark Briscoe; ROH.
-Steve Corino vs Homocide barbed wire match; ROH.
-Bryan Danielson vs Samoa Joe; ROH.
-Bryan Danielson vs AJ Styles; older ROH.
-Low Ki vs Necro Butcher; IWA MS.
-Samoa Joe vs Necro Butcher; IWA MS.
-Samoa Joe vs Necro Butcher rematch; IWA MS.
-Kenta Kobashi vs Kensuke Sasaki; Pro Wrestling NOAH (non-stop 6 minute chop battle - fucking nuts).
-Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa; Pro Wrestling Noah (tiger suplex from the entrance ramp straight down to the floor, a head dropping half nelson suplex on the floor - fucking nutser).
-Taz vs RVD; ECW.
As well as the two title matches from Vengeance, and a couple matches on youtube I can't remember (TNA matches I think).

And now i'm surfing on dial up speed because of my stupid data cap. But anyway, that stuff (bar the two WWE matches) was better than anything i've seen in WWE for months. Not that those promotions don't have problems, because they very much do - especially CZW, where the main event is always some backyarders hitting each other with light tubes instead of the awesome midcard matches with Chris Hero, Super Dragon, etc. But there is a ton of great wrestling out there if only people would venture out to see it. It just sucks that they don't, because I think if more people watched a few matches like this they'd maybe start pushing for a better product in WWE by refusing to watch their rubbish, and WWE would get backed into a corner when their revenue drops. And I know they can pull out good matches, because I watched RVD vs Edge and it was a reasonable match. But they just don't do it often enough.

As far as TNA, I really don't see it becoming any bigger unless they let either Heyman or Cornette have a hand in the booking. To be perfectly honest, I struggle to make the decision to order their PPV's now. As it is, I think TNA is starting to plateau, and unless sombody kicks it up to the next level, I think it'll be dead in three years tops unfortunately.

:::::, I might have to have you send me a couple of those ROH matches. lol

Alright, here's my new bitch session:
The recent falling out between Super Crazy and Psichosis has the potential to be a killer fued, except for the fact that they're probably gonna make super crazy job to psichosis and send sc back to "ecw". If one of them had the Crusierweight belt, that could be a quality fued for the next couple months.
I REALLY don't think WWE should've 'infected' the new ECW with WWE guys. That's what killed it. It's like the 2001 invasion all over again (although, I was a fan of the original invasion.)
The new ECW is complete shit, except for Sandman's 'skits'. Espically last week, considering that was part of WWE creative he beat the crap out of. lol Y'know? The 'gay' guy? Funny stuff there.
TNA, I think, is really starting to take off. You have old, but quality WCW guys in there in the likes of Sting, Big Poppa Pump, Nash, Konnan, and Jarrett (i don't care whether you like him or hate him, JJ is helping keep the company going), as well as the already established stars of TNA; Styles, Daniels, AMW, Low Ki, Samoa Joe, and the Naturals (next TNA Tag Champs, IMO . Plus, with the addition of Jim Cornette, Christian, and Hardy's (hopefully) end of summer return, I predict that TNA will become a viable contender to WWE/ECW by this time next year.
I have not had a chance to see CZW as of yet, if someone could email or IM me a match, that'd be great.

So, in closing, I wish to say this: GET WWE OUT OF ECW!!! VINCE, LISTEN TO THE MASSES! LET HEYMAN CONTROL HIS CREATION, DAMN IT!
*breathes* Okay, I'm done bitching. Till next time,

Keep Flyin', Phoenixwarrior

David Arquette killed WCW. Period

Well, there's always youtube.com. This is a fun little taste of their non-deathmatch stuff: Super Dragon vs Bobby Quance vs B-Boy vs Excalibur. Half of their shit is just deathmatch stuff though. If you're into that then I guess CZW is great for it. I don't mind the odd deathmatch, but mostly I think it sucks, personally. If you wanna see some of that, which is what the promotion was originally about, then you can pretty much just search "CZW" on that site and a bunch of violent highlight clips will come up with people taking piledrivers off buildings onto flaming tables of glass and whatnot.

that would kind of defeat the whole purpose of buying a company. vince just wanted to be the only one left. it wasnt about buying the other guys and makeing them better. he just wanted to kill them off. but he later decided to have the invasion story, which sucked from the start.

has a ecw reunion and made a little money off of it...then he brings back ecw because he hears people chanting in the crowd, lol. he seen people with ecw signs and shirts and thought he could make another billion dollars. but of corse, vince has his head so far up his ass he probably said something like this to heyman "paul, were gonna bing back ecw, but since im a genius..no wait..a god, we are gonna do things my way. comon paul, im a billionaire and you could barely pay your wrestlers".

its not like ecw was a billion doller company, vince thought he was gonna take a crappy company and make a bundle off it. im glad it blowed up in his face.

like i said in an earlier post, anything he does outside wwe is a falure. you wouldnt really see that coming, i mean, since hes a genius and all.

That was awesome one of the best matches i seen in a while poor quance dude he took a beating and a 1/2 glad super dragon won though sick finisher. Is there more video's like that from these leagues like CZW and ROH death matches or not cause if matches are like that i would rather enjoy them :)

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All I'll say to everyone, is if you don't like the WWE, DON'T FUCKING WATCH IT THEN! It doesn't take a "genius" to change the channel!

WCW was good, but WWE is/was better, cause it's never had morons, who don't know how to do a wrestling show. Yeah, I'm a WWF/E fanboy, and I'm damn proud of it! Anyone don't like it, TOO BAD!!

if you wanna call sable standing in the middle of the ring prancing her fake ass around for the first 30 min of the show, or tripple h runnin his mouth about how hes the "king of kings" a better "wrestling" show, then horray for you. i watch wrestling for...get this...the wrestling!.

i dont give a flying fuck about people creating their own religion and other lame ass bullshit. if thats what you wanna call "wrestling" then you must also watch days of our lives.

i also bet youre in the vince "kiss my ass club"