Why would Ermac be on Kotal Kahns side?
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posted03/08/2015 03:47 PM (UTC)by
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impaler42
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This doesn't make sense to me. If Ermac has Shao Kahn's soul, wouldn't he want to support Mileena in the battle for Outworld? I smell something fishy here. I know there has been talk about Reptile possibly trading sides, but I also think Ermac has a good chance of doublecrossing Kotal Kahn.
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daryui
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03/07/2015 05:36 PM (UTC)
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As far as I'm concerned, there is no dominant soul within Ermac.
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lastfighter89
03/07/2015 06:13 PM (UTC)
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"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.
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sharefrock
03/07/2015 06:20 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.

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SHAMEonNINJAS
03/07/2015 06:23 PM (UTC)
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Kenshi freed him from khans control in the old timeline after kicking his ass. I can see that happening again, probably by kotal instead.
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art_lean
03/07/2015 06:40 PM (UTC)
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Ermac could join Mileena
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Gillbob316
03/07/2015 06:44 PM (UTC)
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sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.



^This

The fight intros shouldn't be taken as hard canon, especially in cases of two characters who wouldn't normally have any reason to fight. They're just a flimsy bit of flavor dialogue to give context to the fact that these two characters now have a quarrel. (See what I did there).

PS. This is why I don't think Kitana and Quan Chi's "finally found a way to kill me?" dialogue should be taken as confirmation she breaks free of his hold. Some people are taking it as such. Just because h says she wants to kill him, doesn't mean she's free. It could be an unwilling tortured slave scenario, where Kitana is completely conscious of who she is, but powerless to stop Quan Chi's commands. Hence she could WANT to kill him the entire time... but still be powerless to do so.
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03/07/2015 07:12 PM (UTC)
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Shao kahn is one of many.


He has no say on what ermac does.

Hell jerrod is in there too and he wouldnt follow mileena
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lastfighter89
03/07/2015 09:13 PM (UTC)
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sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.





I disagree sir. Every intro showed thus far made sense, even for allies/non-enemies.
Look the Raiden vs Cassie or Reptile vs Kotal Kahn intros. Cassie wants to learn her father's powers from Raiden, Kotal wants to test Reptile skills before accepting him as ally.
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sharefrock
03/07/2015 09:32 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.





I disagree sir. Every intro showed thus far made sense, even for allies/non-enemies.
Look the Raiden vs Cassie or Reptile vs Kotal Kahn intros. Cassie wants to learn her father's powers from Raiden, Kotal wants to test Reptile skills before accepting him as ally.



Explain to me if every intro is supposed to be canon, how are they going to make mirror matches make sense then?

I understand why you would be confused, some intros are indeed related to the story because those characters already have a reason to fight.

For example, If you put Scorpion VS Subby. It'll make sense that Scorpion will call Subby "Murder".

But if you put Scorpion VS Scorpion, he will just call his other self "Old Scorpion" For some reason.

I'll give you another Example.

Kitana VS Kung Lao, Kung Lao says "You seek a challenge Kitana?"
And she says "Yes, But you will do."

Normally those characters wouldn't fight or talk to each others this way.

And if you are going to tell me "We still don't know the story, Kitana might be evil"

Then why in her intro with Quan Chi she says "I have found many" When he asks if she found a way to kill him.

You might be right and I might be wrong, We still didn't see all the intros and we don't even know the story.

I'm going with my theory that it's a "What if" sort of thing, rather than this actually happens, Because some characters have no reason to fight. Especially with themselves.
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impaler42
03/07/2015 10:06 PM (UTC)
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I think we can all agree that there are going to be traitors within Kotal Kahn's camp. Who exactly that includes, I guess we will have to wait and find out.
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03/07/2015 10:13 PM (UTC)
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Mirror Match quotes are just done for fun. So far, every fight intro seems to fit with what we know about the story. Cassie unable to do some of Johnny moves, which we know is true thanks to the comic, Scoprion still thinking Sub Zero is his family/clans killer and so on. Mirror Match quotes mean dick at the end of the day compared to the rest of the intro dialogue.
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03/07/2015 10:21 PM (UTC)
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Because Mileena is a fucking cunt
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Darkk
03/07/2015 10:33 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.





I disagree sir. Every intro showed thus far made sense, even for allies/non-enemies.
Look the Raiden vs Cassie or Reptile vs Kotal Kahn intros. Cassie wants to learn her father's powers from Raiden, Kotal wants to test Reptile skills before accepting him as ally.


This intro still makes sense if they are on the same side though.

The two kombatants are put in a position where they have to fight

It's basically:
Kotal: I thought we were allies, why are we fighting?
Ermac: We will kill you
Kotal: Then I will kill you

Ermac could betray him, sure, but it also makes just as much sense if he doesn't.
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lastfighter89
03/07/2015 10:42 PM (UTC)
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sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.





I disagree sir. Every intro showed thus far made sense, even for allies/non-enemies.
Look the Raiden vs Cassie or Reptile vs Kotal Kahn intros. Cassie wants to learn her father's powers from Raiden, Kotal wants to test Reptile skills before accepting him as ally.



Explain to me if every intro is supposed to be canon, how are they going to make mirror matches make sense then?

I understand why you would be confused, some intros are indeed related to the story because those characters already have a reason to fight.

For example, If you put Scorpion VS Subby. It'll make sense that Scorpion will call Subby "Murder".

But if you put Scorpion VS Scorpion, he will just call his other self "Old Scorpion" For some reason.

I'll give you another Example.

Kitana VS Kung Lao, Kung Lao says "You seek a challenge Kitana?"
And she says "Yes, But you will do."

Normally those characters wouldn't fight or talk to each others this way.

And if you are going to tell me "We still don't know the story, Kitana might be evil"

Then why in her intro with Quan Chi she says "I have found many" When he asks if she found a way to kill him.

You might be right and I might be wrong, We still didn't see all the intros and we don't even know the story.

I'm going with my theory that it's a "What if" sort of thing, rather than this actually happens, Because some characters have no reason to fight. Especially with themselves.



Training matches, that was going on on that Kitana vs Kung Lao.

"ok let's fight just for the sake of seeing who's the better fighter.


Scorpion vs Scorpion is explained in the komics.

So far, all the intros made sense and were plausible.
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Brady_Got_Caged
03/07/2015 11:56 PM (UTC)
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I want everyone to betray Kotal Kahn except for Reptile. I want Kotal to have that one ally he can trust, and I think Reptile would fit it perfectly. So in the end of the civil war have Kotal, and Reptile get fucked over by everyone because Kotal is too reckless as a leader due to the blood code.
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sharefrock
03/08/2015 12:01 AM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
lastfighter89 Wrote:
"I thought us allies, Ermac".

Backstab, doublecross, betrayal, whatever incoming.


I don't think so.

The fight intros are a "what if" situation.

Like if Sonya and Cassie are going to fight they need to say something to each other, something they usually would not say.





I disagree sir. Every intro showed thus far made sense, even for allies/non-enemies.
Look the Raiden vs Cassie or Reptile vs Kotal Kahn intros. Cassie wants to learn her father's powers from Raiden, Kotal wants to test Reptile skills before accepting him as ally.



Explain to me if every intro is supposed to be canon, how are they going to make mirror matches make sense then?

I understand why you would be confused, some intros are indeed related to the story because those characters already have a reason to fight.

For example, If you put Scorpion VS Subby. It'll make sense that Scorpion will call Subby "Murder".

But if you put Scorpion VS Scorpion, he will just call his other self "Old Scorpion" For some reason.

I'll give you another Example.

Kitana VS Kung Lao, Kung Lao says "You seek a challenge Kitana?"
And she says "Yes, But you will do."

Normally those characters wouldn't fight or talk to each others this way.

And if you are going to tell me "We still don't know the story, Kitana might be evil"

Then why in her intro with Quan Chi she says "I have found many" When he asks if she found a way to kill him.

You might be right and I might be wrong, We still didn't see all the intros and we don't even know the story.

I'm going with my theory that it's a "What if" sort of thing, rather than this actually happens, Because some characters have no reason to fight. Especially with themselves.



Training matches, that was going on on that Kitana vs Kung Lao.

"ok let's fight just for the sake of seeing who's the better fighter.


Scorpion vs Scorpion is explained in the komics.

So far, all the intros made sense and were plausible.


We obviously disagree on this and neither of us have enough proof to prove the other person wrong.

Read what a person above me said, I agree with him.

The Kotal Kahn and Ermac thing was like.

I thought we were allies, why are you NOW fighting me.

Not why did you betray me.

I'll just wait and see, But the Scorpion vs Scorpion is just an example.

What will happen with a mirror match between Raiden and Raiden happens?

I'm sure they'll both say stuff to each other like you are a fake or something. But in canon there is only one Raiden.
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Blade4693
03/08/2015 12:27 AM (UTC)
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I think some are story related, and some are just "what ifs" such as mirror matches and two allies fighting.
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mentalbreakdown
03/08/2015 02:34 AM (UTC)
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Ermac is gonna be neutral, I think
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Sockie
03/08/2015 03:00 AM (UTC)
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mentalbreakdown Wrote:
Ermac is gonna be neutral, I think


He's leading Kotal's troops as they march. That's the opposite of neutrality.
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lastfighter89
03/08/2015 06:58 AM (UTC)
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Maybe it's unrelated but after reading the latest digital issue I think that Scorpion is the Ermac of the new storyline.
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Spaceman
03/08/2015 07:24 AM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
Maybe it's unrelated but after reading the latest digital issue I think that Scorpion is the Ermac of the new storyline.


Yeah agreed. I've been thinking they kinda gave the Kenshi/Ermac story arc/relationship to Kenshi and Scorpion. I know its not quite the same tho so there's still a chance for Ermac to become good again. And if he really is on the totally neutral Kotal gang then I guess he's on the right track anyway (at least from what we know about the story right now). Personally I prefer my Ermac as an evil powerhouse, or even better, completely neutral. After all he is a one man army pretty much.
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lastfighter89
03/08/2015 08:17 AM (UTC)
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My problem is that, according to Ermac's ending in mk9 , a good 99% of his souls came from edenians who fought Shao Kahn and refused to serve him.

Why would Ermac be evil?
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Nephrite
03/08/2015 12:02 PM (UTC)
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Spaceman Wrote:
Personally I prefer my Ermac as an evil powerhouse, or even better, completely neutral. After all he is a one man army pretty much.


I like him better when he's on the good side. He spices up the good guys nicely. tongue
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03/08/2015 03:13 PM (UTC)
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I liked when he got free of the Emperor's control in Deception, now he stills seems like one of his lame lackeys, hopefully he gets more spotlight and develops, maybe he acts as a double agent through the story.
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