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01/07/2015 05:39 PM (UTC)
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Asesino Wrote:
I agree with the op. Feces look terrible lol :D They need to fucking hire some talented guys who can draw and shit.


I wouldn't say they're terrible. They aren't really good but not bad enough for me to complain about.
OP needs to shut the fuck up..
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01/07/2015 05:45 PM (UTC)
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immortalkombat Wrote:
meh! It's a fighting game, I'd rather they focus on the fighting mechanics and balancing first and then worry about how well hair flows,

I can hack a bad hair on a good fighting game

But I won't put up with a bad fighting game just because it's got pretty hair and faces


The MK games are always full of glitches and not very well balanced at all imo
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01/07/2015 05:48 PM (UTC)
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I think the faces are fine. as long as the costumes don't look like the gross anime bulls*** from Tekken, then i'm happy. all i care is about the gameplay...... (specifically Tanya/Mileena's)




immortalkombat Wrote:

I can hack a bad hair on a good fighting game

But I won't put up with a bad fighting game just because it's got pretty hair and faces


*Dead or Alive 5*
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01/07/2015 05:50 PM (UTC)
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Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote:
OP needs to shut the fuck up..


thats really necessary.
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01/07/2015 05:54 PM (UTC)
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I have no complaints....yet. Strictly MKX that is...
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01/07/2015 06:02 PM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:
immortalkombat Wrote:
meh! It's a fighting game, I'd rather they focus on the fighting mechanics and balancing first and then worry about how well hair flows,

I can hack a bad hair on a good fighting game

But I won't put up with a bad fighting game just because it's got pretty hair and faces


The MK games are always full of glitches and not very well balanced at all imo


MK9 was pretty good and tournament worthy

And MKX is shaping up to be even better
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LikeWall32
01/07/2015 06:44 PM (UTC)
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Lol i think someone poo pood in mobster for satans cheerios this morning... or he was the face model for the game haha

As for EA faces, they scan the athletes faces, but the create a player faces/heads are all homemade by EA and although you can creats some creepy lookin dudes i like how the facial detailing looks. I expected a lot of improvement in this game since the classci fighters have aged, but after seeing Kung Lao - yikes... apparently they do the aging process by making an Asian guy turn into a white guy with a grey goatee lol
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01/07/2015 08:23 PM (UTC)
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A game with the best facial design is L.A. Noire. If you want to compare Mortal Kombat's facial design to a game, it's that. Not Assassin's Creed.

While I'll admit that Netherrealm Studio's designers aren't the best in the animation department, I'm more so concern about beating the hell of out my opponent's face than worrying about how pretty it is. Every developer has their own style, I feel that's what this is. It wouldn't kill them to make some people's faces prettier, however, X's characters are greatly improved over 2011's horribleness. You can't deny this game looks hell of a lot better with the faces from the last game.

The only thing though with me is that I wish they'd find a way to make hair look so much better. As an animator myself, that's the one thing I hate seeing look shitty after seeing how much awesomeness everything else is. You either do it right or don't give characters long hair.

Even pony tails act horrible.
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01/07/2015 08:46 PM (UTC)
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LikeWall32 Wrote:
wow no I know why I havnt posted on here in like what? 8 years... No one could read then and no one can read now... I never said assassins creed faces -- I said COSTUMES... I said 1886 Faces & EA Faces...


Does it really matter that people confused the games you were mentioning? Your point was that MK isn't up to par with other games in terms of graphics so that's what people focused on. Don't get mad when people disagree with you. You decided to make a rant thread about a game that isn't even out yet, don't expect people to welcome your complaints with open arms.


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Thanks for the responses on those who actually did read what I said... To those that got royally mad about it and like to make up statements- LMFAO....

The point - which those would cant read obviously missed was, why cant Neatherrealm on past & current gen systems make realistic faces and realistic textures in clothing... That might be easier for the illiterates to read and under stand better without the mentions of other games... Backgrounds are great, masks are great, gameplay is great but cloth, hair, faces, skin, textures & details have always been horrid and generic since they moved away from digitized after MK3...


I think people read what you said perfectly well. You start whining and complaining about the graphics (which most people think look awesome, clothes and hair included) and then you start calling people names because they disagree with you?confused

Do yourself a favor and stop posting here if you take people's different opinions so personally.
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01/07/2015 08:48 PM (UTC)
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LikeWall32 Wrote:
You really think the faces/costumes I mentioned are an improvement? These same models couldve been done on last gen systems... They are laughable on next gen systems... I understand fan boys, but like I said, im a die hard and always will be, but come on.... Admitting it doesnt hurt your fanboy resume...

And again, the butt hurts on this thread still havnt answered the question, why cant midway/netherrealm do faces & cloth, even with current technology this still looks last gen...


I like how the game isn't even out yet and is still being changed, improved, and enhanced yet you're comparing these games with trailers that came out months ago. Granted, it will look pretty close to the final product, but we have no idea what they're adding or changing and it's not fair to criticize something when the game isn't even fucking released. Also, why should MK games have graphics like all the games on the market?

Quit bitching and complaining over so many minimal details and enjoy the game as it's meant to be.
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01/07/2015 08:59 PM (UTC)
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Nobody can answer a question that is based on personal opinion. For me, MKX is the best looking fighting game - better than KI, VF5 and the latest Tekken. MK9 did have some problems with ugly female faces, but MKX shows undeniable improvement. So my answer is - you're a biased hater and actually you don't deserve an answer. smile


I dunno, Tekken 7 is running on UE4, so when that game is done it is going to look crazy good.

But really graphics aren't that important anyway. They can make a good game better, but can't make a bad game good. Where the focus should be is the fighting mechanics, balance, and netcode. The game can look incredible but if it plays like shit it's no good.

And I think the clothing textures actually look really good. MK9 did pretty good with that but MKX is just knocking it out of the park with the details. Go watch Raiden's reveal trailer again and watch when he dislocates Kotal's jaw, you can see the fibers and shit.
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01/07/2015 09:03 PM (UTC)
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I mean I think it's pretty a common criticism in how NRS renders their 3D models. Especially female characters. I'm being optimistic here in seeing the model improvements from MK9 > Injustice > what we've seen in MKX.

This thread OP is pretty passive-aggressive and biased though and assumes that his subjective opinion is somehow how everyone feels. I loved the costume designs of modern era MK outside of wonky body proportion model rending issues. I also think MKX Raiden and Kung Lao look phenomenal.

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01/07/2015 11:45 PM (UTC)
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I use to think that the graphics weren't that great at first but the polished versions of them made up for it so I don't have any complaints on the graphics. I like all of their designs and face features.smile
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01/07/2015 11:52 PM (UTC)
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OP comes off as a complete dick and thinks his opinion is a fact
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01/07/2015 11:56 PM (UTC)
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projectzero00 Wrote:
MKX has improved immensely in terms of faces. Can you not?
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01/07/2015 11:56 PM (UTC)
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Why can't a Legend of Zelda game have graphics like Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag? That's the real question grin
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01/08/2015 02:42 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
A game with the best facial design is L.A. Noire. If you want to compare Mortal Kombat's facial design to a game, it's that. Not Assassin's Creed.

While I'll admit that Netherrealm Studio's designers aren't the best in the animation department, I'm more so concern about beating the hell of out my opponent's face than worrying about how pretty it is. Every developer has their own style, I feel that's what this is. It wouldn't kill them to make some people's faces prettier, however, X's characters are greatly improved over 2011's horribleness. You can't deny this game looks hell of a lot better with the faces from the last game.

The only thing though with me is that I wish they'd find a way to make hair look so much better. As an animator myself, that's the one thing I hate seeing look shitty after seeing how much awesomeness everything else is. You either do it right or don't give characters long hair.

Even pony tails act horrible.


I don't think L.A Noire is good to compare with since they worked so much on the facial design in that because you need to read faces of those you investigate. I would love if like naughty dog decided to do the graphics for netherrealm but im fine with the graphics as they are now. I thought mk9 looked pretty good besides the hair.
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01/08/2015 02:58 AM (UTC)
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lanoitarnu Wrote:
I don't think L.A Noire is good to compare with since they worked so much on the facial design in that because you need to read faces of those you investigate. I would love if like naughty dog decided to do the graphics for netherrealm but im fine with the graphics as they are now. I thought mk9 looked pretty good besides the hair.


Of course the whole point on working so hard on the facial details was to body read. Assassin's Creed is not the game to say games should focus on their facial designs when there's better games out there.
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01/08/2015 03:01 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
lanoitarnu Wrote:
I don't think L.A Noire is good to compare with since they worked so much on the facial design in that because you need to read faces of those you investigate. I would love if like naughty dog decided to do the graphics for netherrealm but im fine with the graphics as they are now. I thought mk9 looked pretty good besides the hair.


Of course the whole point on working so hard on the facial details was to body read. Assassin's Creed is not the game to say games should focus on their facial designs when there's better games out there.


Oh I agree there are better games with facial rec than AC. I just didn't think it's even fair to compare with L.A Noire because of all the extra work they put into it.
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01/08/2015 03:16 AM (UTC)
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I still dont get where everyone is saying I said faces of Assassins Creed, when I said costumes of assassins creed... lol this is getting laughable... No where on this thread did anyone ever say uses faces of assassins creed...

As for the naughty dog face rendering, remember they started off with digitized fighting game Way of The Warrior... Theyve gotten it right with faces over time, its time NR stepped it up.

They can always just hire actors and render there faces to the characters without masks... Arent the Pensias still employed by NR? Render Daniels face on Cage & Carlos on Raiden. At least then Cage would look like a person and not a plastic doll. Render Robin Shou as Liu Kang
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01/08/2015 03:23 AM (UTC)
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LikeWall32 Wrote:
I still dont get where everyone is saying I said faces of Assassins Creed, when I said costumes of assassins creed... lol this is getting laughable... No where on this thread did anyone ever say uses faces of assassins creed...


Maybe because your first post started off like this:

LikeWall32 Wrote:
Assassins Creed or The Order 1886... Netherrealm & Midway have NEVER been able to do good faces. They are ALWAYS generic looking with terrible non exsistant details... Costumes as well


I can see why everyone here is thinking you're referring about the faces when your first sentence of the thread starts off like this. Here's a little friendly tip, if you're going to complain about the costumes, you might want to actually say that first and not about the faces. Then this way, no one... well... those you think are confused about your topic won't get confused.
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01/08/2015 05:01 AM (UTC)
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The opening sentence continues from the thread title which says GRAPHICS, then mentions which graphics, then mentions which games apply to which graphics for improvements... Pretty clearly laid out... But this is the social media era and these are they same types of people that respond to shared news articles on FB without ever clicking the article and reading the whole thing lol
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01/08/2015 05:31 AM (UTC)
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LikeWall32 Wrote:
The opening sentence continues from the thread title which says GRAPHICS, then mentions which graphics, then mentions which games apply to which graphics for improvements... Pretty clearly laid out... But this is the social media era and these are they same types of people that respond to shared news articles on FB without ever clicking the article and reading the whole thing lol


I was expecting a response like this. I showed you clearly why people are talking about faces, and you gotta respond by acting like everyone's underneath you. Everyone read what you were whining about, and you're so freaking touchy that they're taking one of several things that you mentioned and elaborating a bit more on. Be thankful that your thread has responses rather than having it get completely ignored.

But since you're so demanding to have someone talk about the GRAPHICS than just one of the topics you threw out, I'll humor you. I think it's too early to judge anything for X when it comes to this because they're still working on it. Judging things that we're looking at in these game play videos and trailers, they're still working on it. I mean look at how we had Cassie's giraffe neck or Kano's human eye producing a glow after his fatality. That got fixed. I laugh at those who have to complain about this game's look when they're still working on all the bugs and kinks that still needs touching up.

I guess I'm going to expect another laughable response at how you're so bothered by people talking in your thread?
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LikeWall32
01/08/2015 05:44 AM (UTC)
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The elaboration and discussion in the thread is perfectly fine. Again you missed the point though of my secondary complaint and that complaint was people kept posting that I said faces like assassins creed. That completely took the original point of the thread completely off track cause once one person responded about assassins creed faces, the follow up comments were also related to assassins creed faces.

And I didnt respond like everyone is beneath me, I actually thanked those with insightful responces that read the original post correctly...

Anywhoo, back to the topic at hand... Rendering faces... If NR ever chose to go the path of rendering actual peoples faces into the games (since they cannot make a good "bare" face from scratch), and they put Jade in the game, I nominate Zoe Saldana... mmmm mmmm
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