Vampire(s) and Angel(s)
Vampire(s) and Angel(s)
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posted07/31/2014 02:46 PM (UTC)byMember Since
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Taking insight on Icebaby's thread "Why have new, when we can have better".
We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area.
I'm bringing up Ashrah now. Considering many people weren't intrigued by pretty much everything about her, why not revamp her into an angel-like character? Not sure which variations she could get, but, it's just a thought.
What do you all think?
We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area.
I'm bringing up Ashrah now. Considering many people weren't intrigued by pretty much everything about her, why not revamp her into an angel-like character? Not sure which variations she could get, but, it's just a thought.
What do you all think?
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Better is definitely the answer, rather than new. Those characters should not just disappear because they were a little criticized. The NRS team should really put a lot of dedication into upgrading them.
On the other hand, retcons are not just BAD, they're horrendous. If you have an idea about how to make Ashrah an angel sticking to the original story, then it's great. But it shouldn't be something cheesy and overdone, like being ripped apart by a soulnado, ending up in the void and being assigned a mission by the Elder Gods. We don't really know much about the Kriss/Datusha. Can it really be a force of good and facilitate Ashrah's ascendance?
On the other hand, retcons are not just BAD, they're horrendous. If you have an idea about how to make Ashrah an angel sticking to the original story, then it's great. But it shouldn't be something cheesy and overdone, like being ripped apart by a soulnado, ending up in the void and being assigned a mission by the Elder Gods. We don't really know much about the Kriss/Datusha. Can it really be a force of good and facilitate Ashrah's ascendance?
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I liked that Ashrah was a demon trying to be angelic. I don't think turning her into an actual angel would make her more popular. I think just a fresh design could spark her up.
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fijikungfu Wrote:
I liked that Ashrah was a demon trying to be angelic. I don't think turning her into an actual angel would make her more popular. I think just a fresh design could spark her up.
I liked that Ashrah was a demon trying to be angelic. I don't think turning her into an actual angel would make her more popular. I think just a fresh design could spark her up.
That could do.
I would still like to see a full-out angelic type character though.
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"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
Plus characters like Mavado shouldn't get a second chance. Keep the best characters from the post MK and give us new characters to keep the storyline moving forward.
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
Plus characters like Mavado shouldn't get a second chance. Keep the best characters from the post MK and give us new characters to keep the storyline moving forward.
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Heavy-Rain Wrote:
"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
Oh no, my friend. Nitara is high ranking on best additions from the 3-D era. Can't defend Mavado though.
I like the angel idea but I'm trying to figure out where that would fit in the MK universe. So maybe not an angel per say but an angelic-like character. One that's radical and righteous. Blindly righteous.
Or just give me Imperius, Malthael, or Tyrael as DLC.
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Yes to both Nitara and Ashrah. They'd look freaking amazing on this game.
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The Kriss is a weapon created by angels to exterminate vampires. As we saw at the end of Ashrah. Soon this idea is plausible. And may be the Ashrah is now, but someone just cruel. A Loyalist Evil
Stances - Demon (where Ashrah uses voodoo), Kriss (phase we know) and Angel.
Stances - Demon (where Ashrah uses voodoo), Kriss (phase we know) and Angel.
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ShujinkoX Wrote:
That could do.
I would still like to see a full-out angelic type character though.
fijikungfu Wrote:
I liked that Ashrah was a demon trying to be angelic. I don't think turning her into an actual angel would make her more popular. I think just a fresh design could spark her up.
I liked that Ashrah was a demon trying to be angelic. I don't think turning her into an actual angel would make her more popular. I think just a fresh design could spark her up.
That could do.
I would still like to see a full-out angelic type character though.
I think they could still make her look more angelic and heavenly Diablo-style, as long as she remains naively thinking that she's going down the right path.
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Odemuitascastas Wrote:
The Kriss is a weapon created by angels to exterminate vampires. As we saw at the end of Ashrah. Soon this idea is plausible. And may be the Ashrah is now, but someone just cruel. A Loyalist Evil
Stances - Demon (where Ashrah uses voodoo), Kriss (phase we know) and Angel.
The Kriss is a weapon created by angels to exterminate vampires. As we saw at the end of Ashrah. Soon this idea is plausible. And may be the Ashrah is now, but someone just cruel. A Loyalist Evil
Stances - Demon (where Ashrah uses voodoo), Kriss (phase we know) and Angel.
In her Angel variation she could have an invisibility teleport.
Nitara- Her character design to me was ok, definitely had potential. I think she would have looked better sleeker. Her story i enjoy very much. She was literally just trying to separate he realm from Outworld and used whoever she needed to get it done. And once she had what she wanted she fulfilled her end of the deal and left (even tho she was sucked away), no strings attached.
Ashrah- her actual character design lacked something for me to really care about her but her story i like. something about a demon i guess trying to redeem itself. I guess not all souls who go to the Netherrealm are all bad. give her a nice overhaul look but keep the story and i think you got something there
Ashrah- her actual character design lacked something for me to really care about her but her story i like. something about a demon i guess trying to redeem itself. I guess not all souls who go to the Netherrealm are all bad. give her a nice overhaul look but keep the story and i think you got something there
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Ashrah was such a fun reveal with all the "female Raiden" hype. Her, Havik, and Hotaru are the only characters from Deception that I hope are significant in MKX.
Ya never know, Ashrah might finally reach her transcendence by "consuming the darkness" and becoming an "angel of light". I always liked this concept for Ashrah. Somewhere between these two would be perfect. The long black hair adds a bit of darkness to her look.
Ya never know, Ashrah might finally reach her transcendence by "consuming the darkness" and becoming an "angel of light". I always liked this concept for Ashrah. Somewhere between these two would be perfect. The long black hair adds a bit of darkness to her look.
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The only thing that I dislike is her hat. It's too big. I'd like her MKD alt and maybe some sort of head-dress?
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Stances that would Nitara?
The point is, if you want to create an angelic character, please don't go the Final Fantasy route and make winged humanoid pretty boys/girls. You have the opportunity to make something truly monstrous, so get to work on that.
There is a reason when the angels speak to the prophets and mortals they begin with 'Do not fear'.
There is a reason when the angels speak to the prophets and mortals they begin with 'Do not fear'.
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unleash_your_tounge Wrote:
Oh no, my friend. Nitara is high ranking on best additions from the 3-D era.
I like the angel idea but I'm trying to figure out where that would fit in the MK universe. So maybe not an angel per say but an angelic-like character. One that's radical and righteous. Blindly righteous.
Heavy-Rain Wrote:
"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
Oh no, my friend. Nitara is high ranking on best additions from the 3-D era.
I like the angel idea but I'm trying to figure out where that would fit in the MK universe. So maybe not an angel per say but an angelic-like character. One that's radical and righteous. Blindly righteous.
This. Ashrah could be a very tragic character (trying to escape the Netherealm and be better than what she was), or they can take her to a totally different direction like the one you mentioned. She is so blinded by the Kriss, wanting to exterminate demons, vampires, etc, that she doesn't realize she kills the habitats of a realm who live peacefully with each other. Well "peacefully"...I take it that vampires can live peacefully as long as they are fed. Kinda like lions? They are savage animals and they do what they got to do to feed their pride but other than that they live peacecully with each other. What was I saying again...oh yeah Ashrah :P
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Chrome Wrote:
There is a reason when the angels speak to the prophets and mortals they begin with 'Do not fear'.
There is a reason when the angels speak to the prophets and mortals they begin with 'Do not fear'.
Exactly. You can stretch a concept like that pretty far.
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This. Ashrah could be a very tragic character (trying to escape the Netherealm and be better than what she was), or they can take her to a totally different direction like the one you mentioned. She is so blinded by the Kriss, wanting to exterminate demons, vampires, etc, that she doesn't realize she kills the habitats of a realm who live peacefully with each other. Well "peacefully"...I take it that vampires can live peacefully as long as they are fed. Kinda like lions? They are savage animals and they do what they got to do to feed their pride but other than that they live peacecully with each other. What was I saying again...oh yeah Ashrah :P
unleash_your_tounge Wrote:
Oh no, my friend. Nitara is high ranking on best additions from the 3-D era.
I like the angel idea but I'm trying to figure out where that would fit in the MK universe. So maybe not an angel per say but an angelic-like character. One that's radical and righteous. Blindly righteous.
Heavy-Rain Wrote:
"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
"We already have Nitara and all she needs is revamping in every area."
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
Oh no, my friend. Nitara is high ranking on best additions from the 3-D era.
I like the angel idea but I'm trying to figure out where that would fit in the MK universe. So maybe not an angel per say but an angelic-like character. One that's radical and righteous. Blindly righteous.
This. Ashrah could be a very tragic character (trying to escape the Netherealm and be better than what she was), or they can take her to a totally different direction like the one you mentioned. She is so blinded by the Kriss, wanting to exterminate demons, vampires, etc, that she doesn't realize she kills the habitats of a realm who live peacefully with each other. Well "peacefully"...I take it that vampires can live peacefully as long as they are fed. Kinda like lions? They are savage animals and they do what they got to do to feed their pride but other than that they live peacecully with each other. What was I saying again...oh yeah Ashrah :P
I'd think animal blood would suffice for a vampire, on rare occasions. But yeah Ashrah. Her want for transcendence was only the real demonic aspect of her. During her appearance, anyway. We never actually got a glimpse of the things she did in Brotherhood of Shadow for Quan Chi. Did they ever elaborate on her "sister" or the order she refused to carry out? If NRS even considers that relevant...
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Yay to Vampires. Nay to Angels.
The whole mythology of Mortal Kombat is very Asian inspired. Yes, there are other mythologies from other parts of the world snuck into there, but mainly it is Asian mythology that is the main inspiration for MK's world.
I don't see angels fitting into it. Yes, celestial beings could work, such as Raiden and Fujin, but I'm not sure Biblical figures would.
That said, we DO have Lucifer mentioned as leader of the Netherrealm who Shinnok took the throne from. What Lucifer's origins are is still a mystery though - is he the Lucifer we know from the Bible, or is he supposed to be something completely else in the world of MK?
Lucifer is, however, only mentioned. Never shown.
Ashrah seems to be a good representant of the divine, angelic and celestial - even if born a demon, she seeks to purify herself and flee from the Netherrealm which the sword Datusha can help her with, as it is feeding from evil souls and slowly purifies Ashrah as she uses it.
Because we have Ashrah, I don't think we need to have another angelic figure. Ashrah and Nitara are filling in the roles of angels and vampires quite well, in my opinion.
The whole mythology of Mortal Kombat is very Asian inspired. Yes, there are other mythologies from other parts of the world snuck into there, but mainly it is Asian mythology that is the main inspiration for MK's world.
I don't see angels fitting into it. Yes, celestial beings could work, such as Raiden and Fujin, but I'm not sure Biblical figures would.
That said, we DO have Lucifer mentioned as leader of the Netherrealm who Shinnok took the throne from. What Lucifer's origins are is still a mystery though - is he the Lucifer we know from the Bible, or is he supposed to be something completely else in the world of MK?
Lucifer is, however, only mentioned. Never shown.
Ashrah seems to be a good representant of the divine, angelic and celestial - even if born a demon, she seeks to purify herself and flee from the Netherrealm which the sword Datusha can help her with, as it is feeding from evil souls and slowly purifies Ashrah as she uses it.
Because we have Ashrah, I don't think we need to have another angelic figure. Ashrah and Nitara are filling in the roles of angels and vampires quite well, in my opinion.
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No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
This arguement doesn't justify anything. "Vampires don't fit on MK".... Really?...
Vampires don't fit on a game where we have:
A walking lizard(Reptile)
A walking corpse(Meat)
A drunken man(Bo'Rai Cho)
A girl that has ice for hair(Frost)
A character that has a skull for a head(Scorpion alt)
Characters with four arms(Sheeva, Goro, Kintaro)
Characters based on demons(Sareena)
A character made out of fire (Blaze)
But a vampire doens't fit in that list...
Nitara had so much potential, so sad that people never gave her a chance.
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Toxik Wrote:
This arguement doesn't justify anything. "Vampires don't fit on MK".... Really?...
Vampires don't fit on a game where we have:
A walking lizard(Reptile)
A walking corpse(Meat)
A drunken man(Bo'Rai Cho)
A girl that has ice for hair(Frost)
A character that has a skull for a head(Scorpion alt)
Characters with four arms(Sheeva, Goro, Kintaro)
Characters based on demons(Sareena)
A character made out of fire (Blaze)
But a vampire doens't fit in that list...
Nitara had so much potential, so sad that people never gave her a chance.
Heavy-Rain Wrote:
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
No, it's a waste of time IMO she was a terrible character. I don't want vampires in MK. I don't want MK to become dark stalkers or KI with werewolves and such.
This arguement doesn't justify anything. "Vampires don't fit on MK".... Really?...
Vampires don't fit on a game where we have:
A walking lizard(Reptile)
A walking corpse(Meat)
A drunken man(Bo'Rai Cho)
A girl that has ice for hair(Frost)
A character that has a skull for a head(Scorpion alt)
Characters with four arms(Sheeva, Goro, Kintaro)
Characters based on demons(Sareena)
A character made out of fire (Blaze)
But a vampire doens't fit in that list...
Nitara had so much potential, so sad that people never gave her a chance.
So much truth in this.
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