Thoughts on Johnny Cages and Sonya Blades story progression
thisiscourage •07/15/2014 05:45 PM (UTC) •
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DVorah Wrote:
2 better reasons.
1: Sonya Bland is just a human female, just like Cassie Cage.
2: Sonya Bland looks a lot like Cassie, and we probably only get limited returned-characters from MK9. Wasting such as precious spot with Sonya Bland who looks a lot like her daughter would be really a waste in my opinion, mostly because there are so many more deserving characters.
~Nova Wrote:
I want them both in. The whole dead-parent-revenge/other-parent-training thing just sounds so cliched to me. So there are two female blondes. Really? REALLY? How many different palette swapped male and female ninjas have we had? Cmon meow, gotta be a better excuse than that for Sonya not to be in the game. As others said, Cassie hasn't even shown any of Sonya's moves.
I can definitely see Cage and Sonya fitting into the story in some capacity. They were two of the few champions who survived and now they're already getting written off by people just because they have a daughter? If anything, that should give them more of a reason to be in the game. Can you imagine a tagteam nut punch with Johnny and Cassie? Or the cool shit she could do with Sonya? Story wise and gameplay wise, there is so much potential there.
I want them both in. The whole dead-parent-revenge/other-parent-training thing just sounds so cliched to me. So there are two female blondes. Really? REALLY? How many different palette swapped male and female ninjas have we had? Cmon meow, gotta be a better excuse than that for Sonya not to be in the game. As others said, Cassie hasn't even shown any of Sonya's moves.
I can definitely see Cage and Sonya fitting into the story in some capacity. They were two of the few champions who survived and now they're already getting written off by people just because they have a daughter? If anything, that should give them more of a reason to be in the game. Can you imagine a tagteam nut punch with Johnny and Cassie? Or the cool shit she could do with Sonya? Story wise and gameplay wise, there is so much potential there.
2 better reasons.
1: Sonya Bland is just a human female, just like Cassie Cage.
2: Sonya Bland looks a lot like Cassie, and we probably only get limited returned-characters from MK9. Wasting such as precious spot with Sonya Bland who looks a lot like her daughter would be really a waste in my opinion, mostly because there are so many more deserving characters.
I hate to say it but, I gotta agree with D'Vorah on this one. I will be pissed if one of the (proposed) 8 spots from MK9 is filled with sonya, because Cassie is in the game.
Sonya's not coming back.
99.9% guaranteed.
Now, that's not to say we won't see her in the story mode, and we may even be able to play as her (with Cassie's moves applied to her model), but as for a playable character in the roster?
Nope. No way.
Odds are Johnny may not even return. I'm not quite as sure on him, but I'd say there's a better than 50% chance he's absent from MKX.
99.9% guaranteed.
Now, that's not to say we won't see her in the story mode, and we may even be able to play as her (with Cassie's moves applied to her model), but as for a playable character in the roster?
Nope. No way.
Odds are Johnny may not even return. I'm not quite as sure on him, but I'd say there's a better than 50% chance he's absent from MKX.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Cassie plays far more like Stryker than she does either of her parents, and what moves of theirs she does have are all from Johnny (split nutpunch, some green kicks though they don't behave the same), in fact she doesn't really have anything of her mom's, so I don't know why people think Sonya's "spot" is taken and she has to be dead.
Cassie plays far more like Stryker than she does either of her parents, and what moves of theirs she does have are all from Johnny (split nutpunch, some green kicks though they don't behave the same), in fact she doesn't really have anything of her mom's, so I don't know why people think Sonya's "spot" is taken and she has to be dead.
Her flip kick is reminiscent of the cartwheel and not to mention she has Sonya's takedown and some of both her parents normals.
Didn't Boon tweet something saying 'just because one character is in doesn't mean another is out'
...and yet every time there's a thread involving these characters it's always 'so and so will probably die since Cassie is in'
Not to say that one or both of her parents dying won't actually happen, but damn at least give Boon the benefit of the doubt until we find out more.
...and yet every time there's a thread involving these characters it's always 'so and so will probably die since Cassie is in'
Not to say that one or both of her parents dying won't actually happen, but damn at least give Boon the benefit of the doubt until we find out more.
RazorsEdge701 •07/15/2014 06:35 PM (UTC) •
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
No she doesn't. She has a Shadow Kick that travels straight up like a foot-shoryuken but that's not a Bike Kick, and her kiss involves blowing fire with an aerosol can.
They're about as similar as a nightstick is to a telescoping baton.
Cassie is less similar to either of her parents in gameplay than Ermac and Kenshi are to each other, or Goro, Kintaro, and Sheeva are to each other, or Frost is to Sub-Zero, or Cyber-Sub-Zero is to Sub-Zero, and they've all been in the same games several times.
There's no logical reason to assume that either of Cassie's parents won't be on the roster. ESPECIALLY since you're all forgetting that Cassie is only from ONE of the MANY periods in time that story mode will cover. She's from "25 years after MK9" but there will be parts of the game that take place "right after MK9" or "5 years after MK9", areas before Cassie is born or when she's a child, where you could very well play as a still-young Johnny and Sonya.
martin_m95 •07/15/2014 06:37 PM (UTC) •
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diirecthit Wrote:
You said she has Sonya's Kiss though but she doesn't. IF you mean the fire move she has, that's not a kiss.
You said she has Sonya's Kiss though but she doesn't. IF you mean the fire move she has, that's not a kiss.
Yes, it's some kind of an incendiary spray.
I refuse to believe people really think it's a fire kiss. You can clearly see her droping the device on the ground after using it for crying out loud.
Immortal_Kanji •07/15/2014 06:56 PM (UTC) •
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Perhaps after Cassie is born, Raiden asks Johnny and Sonya about her becoming one of the next defenders for Earthrealm.
Sonya and Johnny are reluctant about this decision. Though Sonya and Johnny have been training her as a "hobby", she, Johnny and Raiden were having an argument about her involved after what happened to their friends.
Sonya and Johnny are reluctant about this decision. Though Sonya and Johnny have been training her as a "hobby", she, Johnny and Raiden were having an argument about her involved after what happened to their friends.
Please, please Boonie, don't ruin the now so perfect roster with Sonya and Cage! Cassie is enough, there are probably only 8 returnies from MK9, and those two will be a total waste with Cassie around. I even would prefer if you dig up the graves of Kang, Kitana and Jax to place over them.
And we haven't seen ALL of her moves, she probably has some other familiar-to-her-parents moves as well. (god I freaking hope) Two blonde bimbo humans is really too much for me, at least Cassie knows how to dress.
And we haven't seen ALL of her moves, she probably has some other familiar-to-her-parents moves as well. (god I freaking hope) Two blonde bimbo humans is really too much for me, at least Cassie knows how to dress.
CassiesPatentedNutBuster •07/15/2014 07:30 PM (UTC) •
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
I'm not counting Sonya out of the game, I 'm just saying that Cassie indeed has some of her moves. If they are trademarks or not I do not know, but not all of her moves were showed so far.
I am not even bother to answer to the guy doubting Cassie vertical bicycle kicks because they are Well documnted on the web and the first gameplay video.
DG1OA Wrote:
But she doesn't have Sonya's leg grab, which is her mother's trademark move. Or the square wave punch. Or the ring projectiles. That's three moves Sonya can have for herself. Not to mention she can get new ones, too.
But anyway, let's not act as if no characters ever shared moves in any of the games. If Sonya couldn't return because of Cassie, then by that logic Ermac shouldn't have returned in MKD since Kenshi was also in that game. Yet I doubt many are saying these two shouldn't both return. Is it because they look and act different enough, or is it because two similar guys in the same game is just not considered that big a deal, while two blonde gals with some similarities is apparently overkill?
lastfighter89 Wrote:
Instead of "blaming" people of lacking observation skills, I'd inform myself.
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
And btw, she was described by Ed Boon himself as having moves from both her parents.
Honestly, the only thing that she takes from Stryker it's her gun special move. Comparing Cassie to Stryker, that's what I call lack of observation skills.
PS: Stryker uses a nightstick, Cassie a telescopic baton, which is different.
DG1OA Wrote:
I think it's because people serverly lack observation skills, and because Cassie's blonde and all, so to them there's no way Sonya can be in too.
And killing off Sonya? Of course someone would suggest that the woman in a intergender couple be killed, and not the man. Yawn.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Cassie plays far more like Stryker than she does either of her parents, and what moves of theirs she does have are all from Johnny (split nutpunch, some green kicks though they don't behave the same), in fact she doesn't really have anything of her mom's, so I don't know why people think Sonya's "spot" is taken and she has to be dead.
Cassie plays far more like Stryker than she does either of her parents, and what moves of theirs she does have are all from Johnny (split nutpunch, some green kicks though they don't behave the same), in fact she doesn't really have anything of her mom's, so I don't know why people think Sonya's "spot" is taken and she has to be dead.
I think it's because people serverly lack observation skills, and because Cassie's blonde and all, so to them there's no way Sonya can be in too.
And killing off Sonya? Of course someone would suggest that the woman in a intergender couple be killed, and not the man. Yawn.
Instead of "blaming" people of lacking observation skills, I'd inform myself.
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
And btw, she was described by Ed Boon himself as having moves from both her parents.
Honestly, the only thing that she takes from Stryker it's her gun special move. Comparing Cassie to Stryker, that's what I call lack of observation skills.
PS: Stryker uses a nightstick, Cassie a telescopic baton, which is different.
But she doesn't have Sonya's leg grab, which is her mother's trademark move. Or the square wave punch. Or the ring projectiles. That's three moves Sonya can have for herself. Not to mention she can get new ones, too.
But anyway, let's not act as if no characters ever shared moves in any of the games. If Sonya couldn't return because of Cassie, then by that logic Ermac shouldn't have returned in MKD since Kenshi was also in that game. Yet I doubt many are saying these two shouldn't both return. Is it because they look and act different enough, or is it because two similar guys in the same game is just not considered that big a deal, while two blonde gals with some similarities is apparently overkill?
I'm not counting Sonya out of the game, I 'm just saying that Cassie indeed has some of her moves. If they are trademarks or not I do not know, but not all of her moves were showed so far.
I am not even bother to answer to the guy doubting Cassie vertical bicycle kicks because they are Well documnted on the web and the first gameplay video.
This is too rich. Oh my God. You don't even know what a bicycle kick is. Outstanding. XD
thisiscourage •07/15/2014 07:49 PM (UTC) •
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DVorah Wrote:
OMG, I just noticed that Cassie Cage has Sektor's missiles as an attack.
Lol, I'm going to scream if Cassie replaces Sektor instead of Sonya.
OMG, I just noticed that Cassie Cage has Sektor's missiles as an attack.
Lol, I'm going to scream if Cassie replaces Sektor instead of Sonya.
She can call in airstrikes. Sektor is in no danger of being replaced. He is almost needed for the story to contain a human sub-zero.
thisiscourage Wrote:
She can call in airstrikes. Sektor is in no danger of being replaced. He is almost needed for the story to contain a human sub-zero.
DVorah Wrote:
OMG, I just noticed that Cassie Cage has Sektor's missiles as an attack.
Lol, I'm going to scream if Cassie replaces Sektor instead of Sonya.
OMG, I just noticed that Cassie Cage has Sektor's missiles as an attack.
Lol, I'm going to scream if Cassie replaces Sektor instead of Sonya.
She can call in airstrikes. Sektor is in no danger of being replaced. He is almost needed for the story to contain a human sub-zero.
That role probably comes from Cyrax, who later turns good.
thisiscourage •07/15/2014 08:33 PM (UTC) •
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Sektor becoming the grandmaster of the lin kuei cant be avoided in this narrative unless he is ultimately stopped prior to that happening, either way I say he is in. And i honestly think cyrax will be in as well, why not right?
lastfighter89 •07/15/2014 09:12 PM (UTC) •
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diirecthit Wrote:
You said she has Sonya's Kiss though but she doesn't. IF you mean the fire move she has, that's not a kiss.
You said she has Sonya's Kiss though but she doesn't. IF you mean the fire move she has, that's not a kiss.
She does it right before landing the split punch in her x-ray move.
She has also a slightly different version of Sonya's air leg grab.
lastfighter89 •07/15/2014 09:26 PM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
No she doesn't. She has a Shadow Kick that travels straight up like a foot-shoryuken but that's not a Bike Kick, and her kiss involves blowing fire with an aerosol can.
They're about as similar as a nightstick is to a telescoping baton.
Sonya is less similar to either of her parents in gameplay than Ermac and Kenshi are to each other, or Goro, Kintaro, and Sheeva are to each other, or Frost is to Sub-Zero, or Cyber-Sub-Zero is to Sub-Zero, and they've all been in the same games several times.
There's no logical reason to assume that either of Cassie's parents won't be on the roster. ESPECIALLY since you're all forgetting that Cassie is only from ONE of the MANY periods in time that story mode will cover. She's from "25 years after MK9" but there will be parts of the game that take place "right after MK9" or "5 years after MK9", areas before Cassie is born or when she's a child, where you could very well play as a still-young Johnny and Sonya.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
No she doesn't. She has a Shadow Kick that travels straight up like a foot-shoryuken but that's not a Bike Kick, and her kiss involves blowing fire with an aerosol can.
They're about as similar as a nightstick is to a telescoping baton.
Sonya is less similar to either of her parents in gameplay than Ermac and Kenshi are to each other, or Goro, Kintaro, and Sheeva are to each other, or Frost is to Sub-Zero, or Cyber-Sub-Zero is to Sub-Zero, and they've all been in the same games several times.
There's no logical reason to assume that either of Cassie's parents won't be on the roster. ESPECIALLY since you're all forgetting that Cassie is only from ONE of the MANY periods in time that story mode will cover. She's from "25 years after MK9" but there will be parts of the game that take place "right after MK9" or "5 years after MK9", areas before Cassie is born or when she's a child, where you could very well play as a still-young Johnny and Sonya.
You're terribly wrong. Cassie has the take down, the air leg grab, the cartwheel , Kiss and maybe few other moves that weren't showed so far. From her daddy she retains the shadow kicks with a different altitude and the split punch and, of course, some other moves.
Just because there are variation doesn't mean that the move is "different". Kenshi and Ermac share the telekinetic slam (at least in Deception), Frost and Sub_Zero had the shoulder charge (in different games).. But as you can see they are all characters related by blood, story, origins, powers, etc.
Again, I am not ruling Sonya out, but the resemblance with her Mother is so obvious both phisically and special moves that I Wonder how an intelligent guy like you couldn't see it.
Telescopic baton is very different from a nightstick, a tonfa or a kali stick. They are not even used the same way. It,'s like not seeing the difference between a Knife, a sword, a spear and an axe just because they are all cutting weapons.
diirecthit •07/15/2014 09:54 PM (UTC) •
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
She does it right before landing the split punch in her x-ray move.
She has also a slightly different version of Sonya's air leg grab.
diirecthit Wrote:
You said she has Sonya's Kiss though but she doesn't. IF you mean the fire move she has, that's not a kiss.
You said she has Sonya's Kiss though but she doesn't. IF you mean the fire move she has, that's not a kiss.
She does it right before landing the split punch in her x-ray move.
She has also a slightly different version of Sonya's air leg grab.
That's not a kiss, are you blind?
RazorsEdge701 •07/15/2014 09:59 PM (UTC) •
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I don't wanna be mean, lastfighter, but there's just too many errors in your post, I don't have the energy to argue against all of it, I've lost interest.
You're welcome to your opinion but I disagree with it and none of this is evidence that Johnny and Sonya can't both be in the game.
You're welcome to your opinion but I disagree with it and none of this is evidence that Johnny and Sonya can't both be in the game.
~Nova •07/15/2014 10:13 PM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I don't wanna be mean, lastfighter, but there's just too many errors in your post, I don't have the energy to argue against all of it, I've lost interest.
You're welcome to your opinion but I disagree with it and none of this is evidence that Johnny and Sonya can't both be in the game.
I don't wanna be mean, lastfighter, but there's just too many errors in your post, I don't have the energy to argue against all of it, I've lost interest.
You're welcome to your opinion but I disagree with it and none of this is evidence that Johnny and Sonya can't both be in the game.
Thank you.
That was the point I'm trying to make, that there really is no glaring reason either or both can't be in the game.
rainbowrabbit •07/15/2014 10:34 PM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
No she doesn't. She has a Shadow Kick that travels straight up like a foot-shoryuken but that's not a Bike Kick, and her kiss involves blowing fire with an aerosol can.
They're about as similar as a nightstick is to a telescoping baton.
Cassie is less similar to either of her parents in gameplay than Ermac and Kenshi are to each other, or Goro, Kintaro, and Sheeva are to each other, or Frost is to Sub-Zero, or Cyber-Sub-Zero is to Sub-Zero, and they've all been in the same games several times.
There's no logical reason to assume that either of Cassie's parents won't be on the roster. ESPECIALLY since you're all forgetting that Cassie is only from ONE of the MANY periods in time that story mode will cover. She's from "25 years after MK9" but there will be parts of the game that take place "right after MK9" or "5 years after MK9", areas before Cassie is born or when she's a child, where you could very well play as a still-young Johnny and Sonya.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
If you paid enough attention you would know by now that Cassie has also the kiss specia move (the one that blinds you), cartwheel and vertical bicycle kicks.
No she doesn't. She has a Shadow Kick that travels straight up like a foot-shoryuken but that's not a Bike Kick, and her kiss involves blowing fire with an aerosol can.
They're about as similar as a nightstick is to a telescoping baton.
Cassie is less similar to either of her parents in gameplay than Ermac and Kenshi are to each other, or Goro, Kintaro, and Sheeva are to each other, or Frost is to Sub-Zero, or Cyber-Sub-Zero is to Sub-Zero, and they've all been in the same games several times.
There's no logical reason to assume that either of Cassie's parents won't be on the roster. ESPECIALLY since you're all forgetting that Cassie is only from ONE of the MANY periods in time that story mode will cover. She's from "25 years after MK9" but there will be parts of the game that take place "right after MK9" or "5 years after MK9", areas before Cassie is born or when she's a child, where you could very well play as a still-young Johnny and Sonya.
That makes me feel a lot better since I really do want Sonya in the new game. You're pretty observant.
WeaponTheory •07/15/2014 11:02 PM (UTC) •
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Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
SwingBatta •07/15/2014 11:53 PM (UTC) •
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
And especially because Sonya couldn't ever capture or kill him in a 21-year span. Hopefully Jax will go along for the ride. I'm quite sick of the three of them, actually.
Sonya won't be a playable, but I think she'll definitely appear in the story mode, likely in a limited capacity.
However, do we really need another revenge plot? 'Cause you know that's what Scorpion's going to have in the game AGAIN.
diirecthit •07/16/2014 12:43 AM (UTC) •
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
Because having Sonya's daughter going after Kano (Sonya's former rival) is much better, and fresh, right?
rainbowrabbit •07/16/2014 04:20 AM (UTC) •
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
Kano will kill Sonya in the Story.
Cassie Cage will get revenge.
DEAL WITH IT.
A blind man can see this plot coming.
The Kano and Sonya feud has to end, officially.
You name must be Allison DuBois.
WeaponTheory •07/18/2014 06:15 PM (UTC) •
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rainbowrabbit Wrote:
You name must be Allison DuBois.
You name must be Allison DuBois.
The day you read this. Don't go outside. Nothing seriously bad will happen, you'll just be glad you didn't miss "IT".
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