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DG1OA
06/14/2014 10:58 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
Napalm1980 Wrote:
"The idea of Cassie somehow being evil is the dumbest thing I've ever heard."

You know why Game Of Thrones had such a huge success? Because character doesn't remain good or evil. The alignment changes. And why should Cassie be good? We know nothing about her Story and nothing about the story mode and her role in it. Everyone thought Tanya is good at the start ;)


You don't just take the only two surviving heroes from the last game, make them have a kid, then have the kid be evil. And why should she be evil? Just because? For her to just be evil would make absolutely no sense. And we do know she's a part of the Special Forces, just from her moveset alone.

Last time I checked the Special Forces aren't evil. Sure she could be a double agent or something, but I doubt it. And Tanya wasn't the offspring of two heroes.


Right. Because every criminals became criminals because of a bad upbringing. No way people with loving parents can ever end up bad.

And because Johnny and Sonya are heroes, I guess that also means they'd be good parents? Right. I guess there's no way Johnny could have focused on his acting career too much, and/or Sonya on her military job. They couldn't possibly have been alcoholics, or drug users, or the kind of bad parents that could truly mess up a child. No, they probably were the bestest parents ever, and Cassie became a soldier out of a pure sense of honor and duty.

For all we know, Cassie joining the action goes against her parents' wishes. She might not even be all that honorable, and she fights mostly because she's an adrenaline junkie.

You say it makes no sense for her to be evil? Why are you so certain she's good, besides her being the daughter of two heroes?
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KungLaodoesntsuck
06/14/2014 11:12 PM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
Right. Because every criminals became criminals because of a bad upbringing. No way people with loving parents can ever end up bad.

And because Johnny and Sonya are heroes, I guess that also means they'd be good parents? Right. I guess there's no way Johnny could have focused on his acting career too much, and/or Sonya on her military job. They couldn't possibly have been alcoholics, or drug users, or the kind of bad parents that could truly mess up a child. No, they probably were the bestest parents ever, and Cassie became a soldier out of a pure sense of honor and duty.

For all we know, Cassie joining the action goes against her parents' wishes. She might not even be all that honorable, and she fights mostly because she's an adrenaline junkie.

You say it makes no sense for her to be evil? Why are you so certain she's good, besides her being the daughter of two heroes?


That's the thing though. Her parents ARE heroes, not just heroes. Survivors. You really think they'd have a kid and NOT raise it right? After all the shit they went through they'd fuck up something so important? C'mon that's just stupid.

And the only reason you're saying she should be evil is because it's be an "interesting twist". Was it an interesting twist when Sub-Zero and Smoke swapped stories just for the hell of it? No. It didn't appeal to either character and it sure wasn't interesting. Change just for the sake of change isn't always good.
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DG1OA
06/14/2014 11:41 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
DG1OA Wrote:
Right. Because every criminals became criminals because of a bad upbringing. No way people with loving parents can ever end up bad.

And because Johnny and Sonya are heroes, I guess that also means they'd be good parents? Right. I guess there's no way Johnny could have focused on his acting career too much, and/or Sonya on her military job. They couldn't possibly have been alcoholics, or drug users, or the kind of bad parents that could truly mess up a child. No, they probably were the bestest parents ever, and Cassie became a soldier out of a pure sense of honor and duty.

For all we know, Cassie joining the action goes against her parents' wishes. She might not even be all that honorable, and she fights mostly because she's an adrenaline junkie.

You say it makes no sense for her to be evil? Why are you so certain she's good, besides her being the daughter of two heroes?


That's the thing though. Her parents ARE heroes, not just heroes. Survivors. You really think they'd have a kid and NOT raise it right? After all the shit they went through they'd fuck up something so important? C'mon that's just stupid.

And the only reason you're saying she should be evil is because it's be an "interesting twist". Was it an interesting twist when Sub-Zero and Smoke swapped stories just for the hell of it? No. It didn't appeal to either character and it sure wasn't interesting. Change just for the sake of change isn't always good.


You know why I think it'd be an interesting twist? Precisely because, despite not knowing any of the new characters' stories, we can probably already tell that Cassie will be good, while D'Vorah and Kotal Kahn will be evil. And that's a bit annoying. Why should D'Vorah be bad? Because she looks scary? Because she's a humanoid insect? Or how about Kotal Kahn, why couldn't he be a brutal, barbaric hero? Kotal Kahn being evil and Cassie being good wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it's to be expected.

And I think you have a naive view of parenting. You know these stories where a good, honest cop's child turns out to be bad? Well, that's not strictly fiction, it can happen. Why couldn't Cassie have had a bad childhood? Hell, for all we know, her birth might have been an accident. Johnny and Sonya didn't marry. They didn't even enter a long-term relationship. It was just one night, shortly after the invasion ended, where they were both vulnerable, emotionally. Sonya decided to carry Cassie to term, then gave her up for adoption. Cassie ended up in one bad foster family after another.

Your argument lies on Sonya and Johnny automathically being great parents just because they're heroes. Like flawed heroes don't exist. Cassie being good just because her parents are/were is a bit lazy as far as storytelling goes. Kuai Liang turned out good, despite his brother, and despite an entire clan trying to mold him into the complete opposite. Upbringing isn't necessarily everything.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
06/15/2014 01:09 AM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
You know why I think it'd be an interesting twist? Precisely because, despite not knowing any of the new characters' stories, we can probably already tell that Cassie will be good, while D'Vorah and Kotal Kahn will be evil. And that's a bit annoying. Why should D'Vorah be bad? Because she looks scary? Because she's a humanoid insect? Or how about Kotal Kahn, why couldn't he be a brutal, barbaric hero? Kotal Kahn being evil and Cassie being good wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it's to be expected.

And I think you have a naive view of parenting. You know these stories where a good, honest cop's child turns out to be bad? Well, that's not strictly fiction, it can happen. Why couldn't Cassie have had a bad childhood? Hell, for all we know, her birth might have been an accident. Johnny and Sonya didn't marry. They didn't even enter a long-term relationship. It was just one night, shortly after the invasion ended, where they were both vulnerable, emotionally. Sonya decided to carry Cassie to term, then gave her up for adoption. Cassie ended up in one bad foster family after another.

Your argument lies on Sonya and Johnny automathically being great parents just because they're heroes. Like flawed heroes don't exist. Cassie being good just because her parents are/were is a bit lazy as far as storytelling goes. Kuai Liang turned out good, despite his brother, and despite an entire clan trying to mold him into the complete opposite. Upbringing isn't necessarily everything.


But here's the thing: She's a part of the Special Forces. It would seem odd that she would follow her mother's footsteps if she was a bad or neglectful parent. Or how about when she says "From the page of Cage" after winning a round? She wouldn't say that if she didn't like her father.

And of course there's the fact that she has moves that have Johnny and Sonya's qualities. She had to be trained by them both to have those skills. So clearly they spent time training her.

I agree scary looking people shouldn't be automatically considered evil. But pulling the rug out from under people just for the fuck of it isn't good for the character. There 's nothing wrong with her being good even though it's obvious.
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diirecthit
06/15/2014 01:11 AM (UTC)
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The people expecting/hoping she'll be evil need to stop fooling themselves
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06/16/2014 06:44 AM (UTC)
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After hearing some of D'Vorah's dialogue, I'm revising my opinion from netural/good to evil. The good guys rarely threaten to eat people's tongues first.

And seriously guys, Cassie is a good guy. Yes, people with good parents can get shitty luck and end up dickheads but MK is not about addressing sociological issues. Its a fighting game. Cassie will be a good guy
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06/16/2014 07:38 AM (UTC)
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MK176 Wrote:
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Good, neutral, evil?


I think we have all grown past 12, so I think we can handle thing a lot more complex than that.

I do not want White and Black. i want grey.There is no pure white and black.


You purposefully give money to the poor guy you found at the metro station. Do you think you have done good? Yes? How about endangering thwe guys life when his fellow downtrotten steal or beat him up for his money?

Think about that.

That's very true...for the real world. However, it did say on one of those descriptors from the press release that the game will introduce "new challengers that represent the forces of good and evil." so it's kinda inevitable to predict and figure out a specific alignment for these new characters and see how their placement is in story when it comes to their roles and which side their fighting for.


No, because:

A. a character should be written as someone whos action's speak for themselves. If you cannot decide by that two things can happen:

-you realize you are not smart enough to distinguish for yourself

-it is kept deliberately ambiguous what makes for better storytelling as it exercises your brain.


B. good and evil a relative concepts. I find great evil in Christianity for example, and find some good things in it. Does it make it either? To me, yes, to some, no.


What you people need to learn is to think on your own and take responsibility for your decisions and ethics. Do not assume anything, decide for yourself. Always question and approach from multiple angles.


And sorry, just because a bio tells me someone is evil, does not mean I will have to accept it. This applies to most fiction. I am usually annoyed by things like the Netherrealm for example, what cannot be accessed unless you have evil in yourself.

Oh dear, ....





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Napalm1980
06/16/2014 07:41 AM (UTC)
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Maybe she is good at the start and turns evil. As i said, we don't know here story and role. And the more i think about it the more i want her to be evil :)
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DVorah
06/16/2014 08:48 AM (UTC)
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I really want them all to be extremely evil, especially Torr/Terra and D'vorah!

Cassie Cage should be good tho! (Please don't let sonya and cage be there too!)
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