Gotcha. Well said. Makes sense. I'll keep an open mind. Hopefully no hard feelings :p

Here's my issue with this mindset.

We have not had a unique, forward progressing MK game since Deception.

How can we even judge what they think of some of the MK4-MKD characters, when they haven't even had a real opportunity to return?

Armageddon doesn't count for obvious reasons as it was sold on the fact everyone was included. MK vs DC only featured 11 MK characters, and they were made up as the "most iconic", and even still, Quan was supposed to be DLC after all. MK9 was 1-3 reboot, so naturally the characters of that era need to take priority.

That brings us to now, where we are finally getting our first true "sequel" that isn't a "trilogy", crossover, or retelling game.

So let's go over some facts real quick.

Games characters debuted as a playable character in, and how many games they sat out after that debut. Not counting expansions or DLC, as well as any non-unique game (no trilogy or MKA other than debut), nor mobile versions.

MK1:
Sub-Zero - 0 games
Scorpion - 1 game
Raiden - 1 game
Kano - 2 games
Sonya - 2 games
Johnny Cage - 2 games

MK2:
Baraka - 3 games
Kitana - 2 games
Kung Lao - 2 games
Mileena - 3 games
Shang Tsung - 2 games
Reptile - 2 games

MK3:
Cyrax - 2 games
Sektor - 3 games
Smoke - 2 games
Nightwolf - 2 games
Sindel - 2 games
Stryker - 3 games
Sheeva - 3 games
Kabal - 2 games.

UMK3/MKT:
Noob Saibot - 1 game
Rain - 3 games
Ermac - 2 games

MK4:
Fujin - 2 games
Quan Chi - 1 game
Shinnok - 2 games
Tanya - 1 game
Reiko - 2 games
Jarek - 2 games
Kai - 2 games

MKDA:
Li Mei - 0 games
Mavado - 1 game
Drahmin - 1 game
Bo Rai' Cho - 0 games
Blaze - 1 game
Hsu Hao - 1 game
Kenshi - 0 games
Nitara - 1 game
Frost - 1 game

Here's my point. Characters, no matter of the popularity, have to sit out some games.

MK1 had 7 out of 7 appear in at least 1 of the next 2 games.
MK2 had 5 of the 6 appear in at least 1 of the next 2 games.
MK3 had 1 of the 8 appear in at least 1 of the next 2 games.
UMK3/MKT had 1 of the 3 appear in at least 1 of the next 2 games.
MK4 had 2 of 7 debut characters appear in at least 1 of the next 2 games.
MKDA had 3 of 9 debut characters appear in the next game.

Give it time. Look how long it took for the likes of Nightwolf, Smoke, Sindel, and Kabal to show up again at all, including expansions. As the roster grows bigger and bigger, and there's 60+ are fighting for 30 spots...you are going to have to be a bit more patient and not jump to the conclusion that "NRS doesn't care about the MK4-MKA characters". This is out very first actual unique MK game since Deception, what evidence are you basing this on exactly? What Deception character has had to sit out for 2-3 games since debuting?(remember, MKvsDC and MK9 do not count)

Cassie would have been a risk if their parents were replaced by her, which likely won't happen in MKX. And resurrecting popular characters from the previous game isn't a risk, it's exactly the opposite.

SF is my other most favorite fighting series next to MK, hell it's the series that got me in the first place. I'm super excited for Charlie in SFV, that trailer is dope as hell with the new gameplay. But it's also great to see that Capcom is actually tweaking his older design a little bit and sticking to the story. I don't remember it much but I know he was killed or to the point of death, whatever. It's not like SF is known for it's story in the first place, but the point is they have given him a look where you know he's been through some shit and now he's ready to kick some ass. He's an old classic that has been revived greatly.

I'd go as far as to say, none of the SF3rd strike newcomers interested me at all, except for Dudley. I wouldn't like to see any of those characters come back, and the argument here is the same for most of the 3D MK era newcomers as well. The ones that really stand out are Havik, Shinnok, Reiko, Tanya (for some reason), Hotaru, Bo Rai Cho and Kenshi. Any of those with a revamp would be awesome by my standards, as we haven't seen some of them in under a decade, excluding Kenshi.

Shinnok just has to be in MKX. His voice was so sinister and his appearance in MK9's ending struck me as such a badass. If there is one character I personally want to see come back from the 3D era, it's definitely Shinnok. He was lack luster in his first appearance, in MK4. Many saw him as a Shang Tsung copy cat or wannabe. I think his only other appearance was Armageddon, which he looked really good and was a step in the right direction but we never saw him again until his cameo in MK9. That's the one character who deserves the Charlie Nash treatment, I wanna see a really badass makeover and a crazy ass moveset. I want to use those skeleton hands so bad.

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I'm not huge into SF, but I did enjoy SF4 on PS3 for what it was, and I think SF5 is looking really good. Glad to see Charlie in, I remember him vaguely from Guile's backstory in SF2. I never played 3 or any of its variants, so as I said I know next to nothing about SFs story.

I think it's premature to say SF5 is taking risks when 3 out of the 4 revealed characters are fighting-genre legends.

Lol @ Zombie Charlie being viewed as a risk.....Does NO ONE REMEMBER Zombie Kang?


You're right who am I kidding NO ONE wants to remember Zombie Kang....


You want to talk about risks? How about Capcom making SFV a PC and PS4 exclusive when previously all the major tourneys were played on Xbox 360 and the faithful fans that bought 360 fightsticks?


Fuck you dual mod your stick or your 150+ dollars were wasted. Now that is a bold move.

Here is my problem; the one thing MK isn't doing that I think Killer Instinct and now Street Fighter are doing right is the teases of characters at the end of reveal trailers. They would be SO epic and bring SO much hype but unfortunately they just don't follow suit.

Are you telling me people still get hyped for Bison? nah nah you're joking right? REVAMPED CHARLIE! wait in case you hate us here is a Bison teaser! please don't hurt us this isn't 3rd Strike all over again we promise :)

Taking the series in a new direction â‰a abandoning the all the core cast members. You can take your car in a new direction without shoving all your original passengers out the door and picking up hitchhikers.

At the same time, taking the series in a new direction â‰a going back through history and un-retiring all the "obscure" characters that nobody cared about when they were new. MK9 fundamentally altered the events of every game past MK3, meaning some players who got themselves involved before may not be involved now, and new players may take the stage instead. Retreading the same territory is the opposite of going in a new direction.

70% of the confirmed cast is 30% of the probable total cast. Apparently having 30% MK9 characters so far is enough to completely lose your shit.

Here's the thing that gets me. MKX can only hold so many characters. A lot of MK9 guys are not going to make it. In theory, folks should be okay with that because it leaves space open for mid-series characters and newcomers. But every single one of the MK9 characters has a dedicated fan following somewhere, so as soon as someone is confirmed dead -- like Jade -- all hell breaks loose.

Meanwhile, there are no less than 11 non-MK9 characters that a lot of people want to see back. And the moment that Kung Lao uses a whirlwind vacuum (that he already had in his MK3 Fatality) or Kitana lifts an opponent up by blowing wind with her fans (which is, I shit you not, the way her fans have always worked -- by blowing wind) Fujin fans take a fat dump because he might not get a chance to steal the powers that these classic guys already had. But no, it's Kung Lao and Kitana who stole his shtick and booted him out of the game, right? There isn't room for all 11 of these guys. Somebody has to get cut. If they want to cut Fujin, bloody let them do it.

Do you really want NRS to listen to the "entire" fanbase and give everyone what they want? Then remake Armageddon, every goddamn time. It's the only way.



Whoawhoawhoa WHOA there, Professer with an E. Shujinko and Taven have assloads of potential, and most of those guys could be great too with just a tiny bit of work.

Let us say, hypothetically, that MKX happened to give you all of those characters on your Want List. Now, MK11 comes along, and characters like Dairou become the new "give these unpopular ignored guys a chance" team, while Sareena becomes old and stale because she's been in the past three games already (Unchained, Armageddon, MKX). When MK11 comes along, fans will look back longingly at Dairou and wonder why people like you don't want to give him a chance. Come on, he's a former Seidan Guard who ran afoul of the realm's overbearing laws when he avenged his family's murder, so he escaped from prison and now lives a life as a renegade, wielding twin swords and taking jobs for hire. He's bitter and disillusioned and probably has no real concern for his life at this point; he could be MK's first nihilistic, apathetic character who kills just to scrape a living, because he has nothing better to do.

See, you're not actually asking for fair representation. You're asking for the characters that you personally think are good. And everyone has a different idea of which characters are good. A lot of people thought MKX was the perfect excuse to never see those post-Trilogy characters ever again. By your logic, NRS should take their preferences into account, too. Somehow.

Honestly, I think some people may have been spoiled on Armageddon and MK9, when they knew for certain that every character was in and everyone's favorites were accounted for. Because now the collective fanbase still wants everything and people don't know how to handle losing anyone. An unsettling number of people have sounded like they're teetering on the verge of emotional collapse over the mere possibility of losing a favorite character.

MK holds a special place in my soul and I want to see it have a strong and thriving community, but this is not healthy, guys.

I personally don't give a fuck about either franchise and don't know anything more about Bison than I do open heart surgery. I just merely said the idea of teasing the next or upcoming characters at the end of trailers brings the hype way more than Boon's shitty trolling.

Honestly I feel like the only reason NRS begun revealing all of the "usuals" was because of the backlash they received when they revealed Scorpion and Sub-Zero along with FOUR brand new characters.

In fact some fans were so outraged that they even went and canceled thier orders for the game thinking that MKX would just be Scorpion and Subby and a barrage of newbies which was pretty absurd if you ask me lol.

When you think of it that way, wouldn't you have done the same thing if you were NRS looking at it from a business standpoint?

While I completely agree that things aren't looking good for the "obscure" MK characters making the initial roster, have we forgotten about DLC guys? I strongly believe in the DLC for this game. A lot of these kharacters will eventually show up along with more stages and everything. I've got two words for ya: LIVING TOWERS.

It's pretty much I think a given at this point the DLC will be leftover Trilogy characters. Hence the term "klassic."

This thread gave me a headache.

You should reread the whole thing.

Y'know...for kicks.

Flawless Victory

You are definitely not understanding what I'm saying- more so putting words into my mouth. All I'm saying is I want to see a few 3D era characters that come back from time to time. How is that "unhealthy"? And more so is how that equal to me wanting an Armageddon 2? As far as the whole "You only want 3D era characters YOU like" assumption- that's bullshit. At this point any 3D era character would be nice to see. I of course have my personal favorites- I simply excluded characters like Dairu, Darrius ect in that past paragraph simply because people seem to REALLY go after them in a negative way so I used more well received characters like Sareena to drive the point home.

But as I said- all I want is to see a few faces I haven't seen in a few years. How that translates to asking for the world is beyond me.

Lets agree to disagree.

They gave up two iconic to replace with one,that is a risk lol Alot of ppl like cage n sonya. I don't think either of them will be playable I think they will just be in the story mode

It's always the same thing, some fans want less classic characters with a mix of new and post-trilogy ones and it rapidly devolves into a strawman where they're nothing more than rabid fans that hate the old characters and want every trilogy character gone and replaced by their favourite 3D-era ones. It's ridiculous.

Capcom taking a risk by putting Charlie in the next SF game? Lol.. You must not know Street Fighter very well.

I think they did that with the tease of Martian Manhunter as dlc at the end of scorpions reveal trailer. I remember the blood pumping in my veins as that release trailer came on my birthday. Good times.

Street Fighter's example of taking a big risk would be inserting another frame of animation for Ryu's Hadoken.

They're that crazy!

@blackcyborg I didn't want to quote your post because it's long, but I 100% agree with everything you said. I am a Nightwolf fan, so I know what it's like to wait for a favorite. I'm also a Mavado fan, and as far as I am concerned, he really only missed out on Deception. The 3D characters are just as beloved as the 2D ones and we will defiantly see most of them return soon. Even the Strykers and Hsu Haos will be back one day.

The Strykers maybe

The Hsu Haos....

May have been a poor choice of wording