Stop making every villain into a good guy, NRS
SwingBatta •10/23/2014 07:21 PM (UTC) •
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DVorah Wrote:
First of all I HATE people that hate evil characters, there is NOTHING as bland and boring as goodguys, really they want to save everything. WHATEVER, BORING. DIE!
And FIRST OF ALL, Ermac should NEVER EVER been turned good, ESPECIALLY (think again stupid good-guy lovers) that Kenshi (who shares powers a bit) is ALSO a freaking GOOD-guy. How boring can it be.
IF they dare to turn Tanya into a goodguy, I boycot MK forever.
First of all I HATE people that hate evil characters, there is NOTHING as bland and boring as goodguys, really they want to save everything. WHATEVER, BORING. DIE!
And FIRST OF ALL, Ermac should NEVER EVER been turned good, ESPECIALLY (think again stupid good-guy lovers) that Kenshi (who shares powers a bit) is ALSO a freaking GOOD-guy. How boring can it be.
IF they dare to turn Tanya into a goodguy, I boycot MK forever.
annilation •10/23/2014 08:41 PM (UTC) •
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DVorah Wrote:
First of all I HATE people that hate evil characters, there is NOTHING as bland and boring as goodguys, really they want to save everything. WHATEVER, BORING. DIE!
And FIRST OF ALL, Ermac should NEVER EVER been turned good, ESPECIALLY (think again stupid good-guy lovers) that Kenshi (who shares powers a bit) is ALSO a freaking GOOD-guy. How boring can it be.
I want Kabal and Ermac to become badguys again, Jade is replaced by Tanya for that role, so I accept her as goodguy.
The only one I liked turning good was Goro.
First of all I HATE people that hate evil characters, there is NOTHING as bland and boring as goodguys, really they want to save everything. WHATEVER, BORING. DIE!
And FIRST OF ALL, Ermac should NEVER EVER been turned good, ESPECIALLY (think again stupid good-guy lovers) that Kenshi (who shares powers a bit) is ALSO a freaking GOOD-guy. How boring can it be.
I want Kabal and Ermac to become badguys again, Jade is replaced by Tanya for that role, so I accept her as goodguy.
The only one I liked turning good was Goro.
Good guy lovers? I just see people with vast neutral opinions. I think Ermac needed this more than anything, it molded him as a character rather than him being an evil body bag.
What I liked about Noob-Smoke is that Smoke failed to regain his humanity and became a soul less killing machine. While Noob began his own operations in becoming the ruler of the Netherrealm.
It's not about becoming good for no reason. It's mostly about agendas, enemies and allies. For example if Liu Kang comes back he may not even be good, due to what Raiden has done to him and his friends.
Characters change and that's one of the things I love about MK.
I feel like there's slowly a disproportionate number of heroes vs villains in the series - the heroes outnumbering their villain counterparts. We need more established villains other than just the usual Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn.
I have a feeling Kotal will turn from evil to good. Which would suck ass.
I have a feeling Kotal will turn from evil to good. Which would suck ass.
SwingBatta •10/23/2014 10:47 PM (UTC) •
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AgentK Wrote:
I feel like there's slowly a disproportionate number of heroes vs villains in the series - the heroes outnumbering their villain counterparts. We need more established villains other than just the usual Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn.
I feel like there's slowly a disproportionate number of heroes vs villains in the series - the heroes outnumbering their villain counterparts. We need more established villains other than just the usual Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn.
Plus, most of the characters who are supposed to be villains are nothing more than dunderheads (Baraka, Mileena, Reptile).
I don't think anyone's going to supplant Boon's second boyfriend as the series' top villain, however.
AgentK Wrote:
I feel like there's slowly a disproportionate number of heroes vs villains in the series - the heroes outnumbering their villain counterparts. We need more established villains other than just the usual Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn.
I have a feeling Kotal will turn from evil to good. Which would suck ass.
I feel like there's slowly a disproportionate number of heroes vs villains in the series - the heroes outnumbering their villain counterparts. We need more established villains other than just the usual Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn.
I have a feeling Kotal will turn from evil to good. Which would suck ass.
MK2011:
Raiden, Johnny Cage, Sonya
vs.
Quan Chi, Shinnok, Sheeva, Kintaro, Goro, Cyrax, Sektor, Ermac, Mileena, Baraka, Reptile, Kano and God knows who else...
An overwhelming amount of good guys, indeed.
SwingBatta •10/23/2014 11:08 PM (UTC) •
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There's
...plus Nightwolf, Stryker, Kitana, Kabal, Jade, and Jax. Unless you're talking about just the guys who survived.
MK-Noob Wrote:
MK2011:
Raiden, Johnny Cage, Sonya
MK2011:
Raiden, Johnny Cage, Sonya
...plus Nightwolf, Stryker, Kitana, Kabal, Jade, and Jax. Unless you're talking about just the guys who survived.
Immortal_Kanji •10/23/2014 11:23 PM (UTC) •
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I'd rather see Ermac and Reptile as heroes this time.
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
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Reptile - find another way to save his lost home realm.
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
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Reptile - find another way to save his lost home realm.
DeathScepter •10/23/2014 11:44 PM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
Then it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod in Ermac's body.
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Then it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod in Ermac's body.
All of the souls within Ermac are still Ermac. Ermac is still an Ermac, regardless whom is in Control.
SwingBatta •10/23/2014 11:47 PM (UTC) •
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
No.
DeathScepter Wrote:
All of the souls within Ermac are still Ermac. Ermac is still an Ermac, regardless whom is in Control.
Icebaby Wrote:
Then it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod in Ermac's body.
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Then it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod in Ermac's body.
All of the souls within Ermac are still Ermac. Ermac is still an Ermac, regardless whom is in Control.
That's not what its ending implies. Once Kahn's grasp was broken on it, all of the souls erupted to gain dominance. Thus that says that these souls want to take full control of the body. In Ermac's ending, it was Jerrod that dominated every soul and calmed them down. That means that Jerrod is in full control of Ermac's body, thus it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod taking control of Ermac's body.
It would be Ermac, but the soul controlling Ermac is Jerrod. Which why I said, it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod since he's controlling the entire body.
DeathScepter •10/24/2014 12:07 AM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
That's not what its ending implies. Once Kahn's grasp was broken on it, all of the souls erupted to gain dominance. Thus that says that these souls want to take full control of the body. In Ermac's ending, it was Jerrod that dominated every soul and calmed them down. That means that Jerrod is in full control of Ermac's body, thus it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod taking control of Ermac's body.
It would be Ermac, but the soul controlling Ermac is Jerrod. Which why I said, it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod since he's controlling the entire body.
DeathScepter Wrote:
All of the souls within Ermac are still Ermac. Ermac is still an Ermac, regardless whom is in Control.
Icebaby Wrote:
Then it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod in Ermac's body.
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Ermac - let King Jerrod take over
Then it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod in Ermac's body.
All of the souls within Ermac are still Ermac. Ermac is still an Ermac, regardless whom is in Control.
That's not what its ending implies. Once Kahn's grasp was broken on it, all of the souls erupted to gain dominance. Thus that says that these souls want to take full control of the body. In Ermac's ending, it was Jerrod that dominated every soul and calmed them down. That means that Jerrod is in full control of Ermac's body, thus it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod taking control of Ermac's body.
It would be Ermac, but the soul controlling Ermac is Jerrod. Which why I said, it wouldn't be Ermac anymore, it would be Jerrod since he's controlling the entire body.
Then what did happen within the OT, he still refer himself as Ermac? Also Endings are not canon until it is supported by Following game. So Could Ermac be Jerrod as Ermac? or Could Jerrod be Ermac as Jerrod?
DeathScepter Wrote:
Then what did happen within the OT, he still refer himself as Ermac? Also Endings are not canon until it is supported by Following game. So Could Ermac be Jerrod as Ermac? or Could Jerrod be Ermac as Jerrod?
Then what did happen within the OT, he still refer himself as Ermac? Also Endings are not canon until it is supported by Following game. So Could Ermac be Jerrod as Ermac? or Could Jerrod be Ermac as Jerrod?
Well of course arcade endings aren't considered canon until we see what's happening for the next game. I don't expect Ermac's arcade ending to be remotely canon due to problems interfering with it. I.E. The death of Sindel and Kitana, as well as Edenia still being merged with Outworld.
But to answer your question, it would be Jerrod as Ermac. Jerrod found a way to dominate all of the souls inside Ermac's body. He's basically controlling them since he's dominating the entire self. So whatever Ermac is doing, it's because it's Jerrod doing it. Jerrod is in control of the entire being. He'll no longer be looked at like the same King Jerrod since they're looking at a completely different person, however, inside that body, is the soul of Jerrod, who took full control of Ermac's body.
Immortal_Kanji •10/24/2014 12:39 AM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
Well of course arcade endings aren't considered canon until we see what's happening for the next game. I don't expect Ermac's arcade ending to be remotely canon due to problems interfering with it. I.E. The death of Sindel and Kitana, as well as Edenia still being merged with Outworld.
But to answer your question, it would be Jerrod as Ermac. Jerrod found a way to dominate all of the souls inside Ermac's body. He's basically controlling them since he's dominating the entire self. So whatever Ermac is doing, it's because it's Jerrod doing it. Jerrod is in control of the entire being. He'll no longer be looked at like the same King Jerrod since they're looking at a completely different person, however, inside that body, is the soul of Jerrod, who took full control of Ermac's body.
DeathScepter Wrote:
Then what did happen within the OT, he still refer himself as Ermac? Also Endings are not canon until it is supported by Following game. So Could Ermac be Jerrod as Ermac? or Could Jerrod be Ermac as Jerrod?
Then what did happen within the OT, he still refer himself as Ermac? Also Endings are not canon until it is supported by Following game. So Could Ermac be Jerrod as Ermac? or Could Jerrod be Ermac as Jerrod?
Well of course arcade endings aren't considered canon until we see what's happening for the next game. I don't expect Ermac's arcade ending to be remotely canon due to problems interfering with it. I.E. The death of Sindel and Kitana, as well as Edenia still being merged with Outworld.
But to answer your question, it would be Jerrod as Ermac. Jerrod found a way to dominate all of the souls inside Ermac's body. He's basically controlling them since he's dominating the entire self. So whatever Ermac is doing, it's because it's Jerrod doing it. Jerrod is in control of the entire being. He'll no longer be looked at like the same King Jerrod since they're looking at a completely different person, however, inside that body, is the soul of Jerrod, who took full control of Ermac's body.
Which is what I'm saying about Ermac being one of the heroes.
Now about Reptile.
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
Which is what I'm saying about Ermac being one of the heroes.
Now about Reptile.
Which is what I'm saying about Ermac being one of the heroes.
Now about Reptile.
Ehh, I'd rather Ermac not be possessed by King Jerrod and just have something else happen to him. As much as I did enjoy his Deception self, I'd rather him be more on the neutral side, along with Scarlet since you also have her in the same predicament (and if she's even going to exist after 2011), and find a way to still do something other than being a weapon.
Same with Reptile. I'd rather see him be more neutral and do stuff on his lonesome rather than trying to find someone to help him out with his race issues.
But of course, that's just my opinion.
SwingBatta •10/24/2014 05:45 AM (UTC) •
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Ermac would be far better utilized in the lone-wolf role, with his new storyline involving him being fully independent and having to keep the souls in check on his own and dealing with the unpredictable behavior/mood swings that come with it. It would give him a sense of ambiguity in regards to whose side he fights on.
Reducing him to merely King Jerrod's vessel would be a big mistake. It would toss out what made him so appealing to fans in the first place. Most importantly, and I'm going to quote Icebaby here, as much as I love him he needs to be more than someone else's weapon for a change.
Reducing him to merely King Jerrod's vessel would be a big mistake. It would toss out what made him so appealing to fans in the first place. Most importantly, and I'm going to quote Icebaby here, as much as I love him he needs to be more than someone else's weapon for a change.
Totally agree with Ermac going neutral, that would be so cool. And I hope to God they don't just make him into King Jerrod, that ending was so lame and basically kills off Ermac. I don't want my Ermac to just be a new pair of pants for King Jerrod, so to speak.
zerosebaz •10/24/2014 12:26 PM (UTC) •
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As some already said before, making Jerrod take control of Ermac destroys the coolest thing about the character. I don't care if they make him good, evil, or neutral, as long as they don't make just one of the souls within him take control. Although I do like the idea of him having mood swings.
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DVorah Wrote:I also like neutral characters btw, just don't like the good bland ones that want to save everything, like Liu Kang and Sonya bland.
Liu Kang and Sonya aren't bland / good. Taking into account ALL the games (not just MK9) Liu and Kung Lao have a friendly rivalry that causes friction, he has a romantic frisson with Kitana, and is a loyal (until recently) disciple of Raiden's. Sonya is tough and takes no nonsense. She sees an opportunity to stop Kano and she grabs it (which often leads to devastating results). They work hard and struggle to do the right things. I hardly call that bland.
DjangoDrag •10/24/2014 05:48 PM (UTC) •
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Again with the Good vs Evil thing. Yawn.
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