Should Kotal Kahn be related to Shao Kahn or not?
Should Kotal Kahn be related to Shao Kahn or not?
There's some uncertainty in regards to Kotal's relation to Shao Kahn or lack thereof. What would most of the fanbase prefer?
I would really prefer no personal connection to Shao Kahn, beyond being an Outworld god like Shao. So basically, related to one another the same way Raiden and Fujin are.
I don't want Kotal's story to be about him being Shao's son and trying to honor his father, or surpassing him as an emperor. Kotal's story being the latter could work however if they weren't biologically related.
I would really prefer no personal connection to Shao Kahn, beyond being an Outworld god like Shao. So basically, related to one another the same way Raiden and Fujin are.
I don't want Kotal's story to be about him being Shao's son and trying to honor his father, or surpassing him as an emperor. Kotal's story being the latter could work however if they weren't biologically related.
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Meh.... I dont think it matters much either way to me..... They might as well make him Shao Kahns long lost son or some shit because of "Kahn" in both names and because Kotal is appearentlyy the new ruler of Outworld. It kinda makes me want to make a Kotal Kahn in MKA and fight Shao Kahn with him lol....
JohnBoyAdvance •08/04/2014 06:08 PM (UTC) •
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No... no he shouldn't
oracle Wrote:
He definitely shouldn't be Kahn's son. Why the hell would he take the time to marry Sindel and raise Kitana and make Mileena if he already had something of a family.
He definitely shouldn't be Kahn's son. Why the hell would he take the time to marry Sindel and raise Kitana and make Mileena if he already had something of a family.
Because his son was a Kotal failure?
I don't want Kotal to be biologically related to Shao Kahn, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense. It'd just be a bit boring, that's all.
DG1OA Wrote:
Because his son was a Kotal failure?
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH Because his son was a Kotal failure?
But yeah to me with what we know about Kahn, it wouldn't make sense. Like I know we're in murky continuity waters because of the soft reboot instead of a full overhaul but ugh. That'd be such a well and true disappointment.
unleash_your_tounge •08/04/2014 07:19 PM (UTC) •
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Don't think she's mentioned it in this thread but I was with Icebaby in the hopes that we were done with all things Shao Kahn for a while.
SwingBatta •08/05/2014 02:17 AM (UTC) •
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This one's kind of a double-edged sword.
I really don't want them to be related, yet I don't want "Kahn" to be reduced to a generic title either as opposed to it being an actual surname.
I really don't want them to be related, yet I don't want "Kahn" to be reduced to a generic title either as opposed to it being an actual surname.
KungLaodoesntsuck •08/05/2014 02:21 AM (UTC) •
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Kotal Khan is much better off being an independant ruler sharing no ties with Kahn. I feel like it would completely defeat the purpose of "killing Kahn" in MK9 if we just end up fighting Kahn Jr.
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Doesn't matter to me. Kotal's going to be cool regardless.
DarkenedSoul •08/05/2014 02:42 AM (UTC) •
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Drop the "Kahn" and just call him Kotal. Besides, not every character in MK has or will have a last name.
Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
These are the only characters that have had their first and last names used in the MK fighter series (above/in/under the power bar).
So, it's not really important for Kotal to have the name "Kahn". However, it will be staying just for the fact that he is ruler of Outworld.
Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
These are the only characters that have had their first and last names used in the MK fighter series (above/in/under the power bar).
So, it's not really important for Kotal to have the name "Kahn". However, it will be staying just for the fact that he is ruler of Outworld.
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I'd be alright with him being a brother or a cousin or something. But if he's a son of his, then why would Kitana matter to him at all?
thisiscourage •08/05/2014 03:41 AM (UTC) •
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He is not related
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DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
I don't think that's Quan Chi's last name...same for Shao Kahn actually. Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
Nein.
I like him being the new outworld lord, but I hope he isn't anything like Shao Kahn. A different type of evil would be better.
And I really hope Kotal Kahn has three allies/family members/tribal members one based on the bat camazotl, one on the snake Quetzalcouatl and one on the shapeshifter-race of Jaguar-mages called nagual. I could see this Jaguar-Woman being the queen of outworld or his daughter, and the other two henchmen with their own side-stories, one probably with dominance. Bring on some awesome aztec terror!
I like him being the new outworld lord, but I hope he isn't anything like Shao Kahn. A different type of evil would be better.
And I really hope Kotal Kahn has three allies/family members/tribal members one based on the bat camazotl, one on the snake Quetzalcouatl and one on the shapeshifter-race of Jaguar-mages called nagual. I could see this Jaguar-Woman being the queen of outworld or his daughter, and the other two henchmen with their own side-stories, one probably with dominance. Bring on some awesome aztec terror!
DarkenedSoul •08/05/2014 02:37 PM (UTC) •
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oracle Wrote:
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
I don't think that's Quan Chi's last name...same for Shao Kahn actually. Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
I can take Quan-Chi out of the equation seeing is name is originally hyphenated. As for Liu, Sony, Shang and Johnny those are their last names ( Kang, Blade, Tsung and Cage) in general.
I do understand what you are saying though.
fijikungfu Wrote:
I'd be alright with him being a brother or a cousin or something. But if he's a son of his, then why would Kitana matter to him at all?
I'd be alright with him being a brother or a cousin or something. But if he's a son of his, then why would Kitana matter to him at all?
Kitana: Is Uncle Kotal coming for dinner today, daddy?
But enough with this nonsense about the "implausibility" of Kotal being Kahn Jr. You do realize that dictators like Shao Kahn are the kind of people to have huge, if not insane expectations for their offspring? Meaning, that they will disown their own flesh and blood if they're disappointed in them. Kotal could have proven himself unworthy in Shao's eyes. Or maybe he wasn't obedient enough.
The funny thing is that I don't even want them to be biolgically related, but I'm still defending the idea, because I may find it boring, but it's not farfetched.
thisiscourage •08/05/2014 03:01 PM (UTC) •
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DarkenedSoul Wrote:
I can take Quan-Chi out of the equation seeing is name is originally hyphenated. As for Liu, Sony, Shang and Johnny those are their last names ( Kang, Blade, Tsung and Cage) in general.
I do understand what you are saying though.
oracle Wrote:
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
I don't think that's Quan Chi's last name...same for Shao Kahn actually. Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
I can take Quan-Chi out of the equation seeing is name is originally hyphenated. As for Liu, Sony, Shang and Johnny those are their last names ( Kang, Blade, Tsung and Cage) in general.
I do understand what you are saying though.
People repeatedly refer to lui, sonya, shang, and johnny by just there first names. I believe all other names are only first names or titles (aka scorpion, reptile, subzero). Jackson Briggs going by his nickname jax. Kurtis Stryker going by his callsign (and i guess last name) stryker, and can anyone remember where kabal's name originated from? I think they went over it during mk9 story mode. Pretty much only humans have first and last names. And I believe Shang is a human sorcerer correct?
It doesn't really matter to me, but I can see why many really don't like the idea of continuing Shao Kahn's story.
However, I think it would be pretty cool if Kotal had total bitter resentment towards Shao, making it into some sort of father/son rivalry.
Ooooeerr...that sounded too Tekken, didn't it?
However, I think it would be pretty cool if Kotal had total bitter resentment towards Shao, making it into some sort of father/son rivalry.
Ooooeerr...that sounded too Tekken, didn't it?
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Kotal just looks like a total badass that there's no need for him to need a tie to Shao Kahn to make him stand-out.
I hope his story is something along the lines he is now an Emperor that oppresses that people of Outworld, he is cruel and evil but very intelligent. Love the way he talks, too.
I hope his story is something along the lines he is now an Emperor that oppresses that people of Outworld, he is cruel and evil but very intelligent. Love the way he talks, too.
DarkenedSoul •08/05/2014 03:35 PM (UTC) •
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thisiscourage Wrote:
People repeatedly refer to lui, sonya, shang, and johnny by just there first names. I believe all other names are only first names or titles (aka scorpion, reptile, subzero). Jackson Briggs going by his nickname jax. Kurtis Stryker going by his callsign (and i guess last name) stryker, and can anyone remember where kabal's name originated from? I think they went over it during mk9 story mode. Pretty much only humans have first and last names. And I believe Shang is a human sorcerer correct?
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
I can take Quan-Chi out of the equation seeing is name is originally hyphenated. As for Liu, Sony, Shang and Johnny those are their last names ( Kang, Blade, Tsung and Cage) in general.
I do understand what you are saying though.
oracle Wrote:
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
I don't think that's Quan Chi's last name...same for Shao Kahn actually. Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
Is Kang a last name? It's not just donned on my how weird it is that if they ARE last names people keep never refer to them as just their first names.
I can take Quan-Chi out of the equation seeing is name is originally hyphenated. As for Liu, Sony, Shang and Johnny those are their last names ( Kang, Blade, Tsung and Cage) in general.
I do understand what you are saying though.
People repeatedly refer to lui, sonya, shang, and johnny by just there first names. I believe all other names are only first names or titles (aka scorpion, reptile, subzero). Jackson Briggs going by his nickname jax. Kurtis Stryker going by his callsign (and i guess last name) stryker, and can anyone remember where kabal's name originated from? I think they went over it during mk9 story mode. Pretty much only humans have first and last names. And I believe Shang is a human sorcerer correct?
That's my point. Shang Tsung is human, that's why I added him. I didn't add Jax because I know he went by that in the games. Same goes for Stryker. Stryker is more of a Swat/riot name, so they went with it instead of his full name.
DVorah Wrote:
Nein.
I like him being the new outworld lord, but I hope he isn't anything like Shao Kahn. A different type of evil would be better.
And I really hope Kotal Kahn has three allies/family members/tribal members one based on the bat camazotl, one on the snake Quetzalcouatl and one on the shapeshifter-race of Jaguar-mages called nagual.
I could see this Jaguar-Woman being the queen of outworld or his daughter, and the other two henchmen with their own side-stories, one probably with dominance.
Bring on some awesome aztec terror!
Nein.
I like him being the new outworld lord, but I hope he isn't anything like Shao Kahn. A different type of evil would be better.
And I really hope Kotal Kahn has three allies/family members/tribal members one based on the bat camazotl, one on the snake Quetzalcouatl and one on the shapeshifter-race of Jaguar-mages called nagual.
I could see this Jaguar-Woman being the queen of outworld or his daughter, and the other two henchmen with their own side-stories, one probably with dominance.
Bring on some awesome aztec terror!
Since Kotal has a variation called "Sun God" and is associated with the sun and warfare I think rather then Quetzalcoatl, Kotal and his family are based upon the Aztec Sun God Huitzilopochtli. Also makes sense since the ritual sacrifice for Huitzilopochtli was heart extraction and then holding the still beating heart towards the sun.
ShujinkoX •08/05/2014 03:55 PM (UTC) •
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Kotal can be an Aztec Greek God. Sun God is only a variation.
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