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posted07/03/2014 04:46 AM (UTC)by
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The noob/smoke three variation theory from the ninja thread has me thinking..

For those who didn't see the ninja thread: Ninja_Arts proposed Noob and Smoke teaming up again in MKX. 1 variation being just Noob, The second Just smoke, the third variation being the classic tag team from MKD (i believe).

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I was at a loss at how NRS was going to incorporate 3 different variations for each character, especially when (we saw it with scorpion) they would have to create move sets and abilities for some characters that just aren't fleshed out enough ability wise. Scorpion is a shoe-in for getting 3 variations of course so they added his ability to control demons.

Now hear me out, and I know this will not be well liked but it might be how NRS is going to get away with this seemingly massive task. Boon keeps saying to whining fans on twitter not to fret about their favorite characters being in; which had me baffled until now.

Consider the Noob/Smoke combo to be true.. Could we see any other shared variations appearing in MKX? for instance an earth realm protectors tandem with Johnny being one variation, Sonya being the second and Jax being the third? Scared about one of your favorite female ninja's returning? well how about variation 1: Kitana V2: Mileena V3: Jade?

It might be a kick in the nuts for some people who are hoping for complete 3 variations for their beloved characters but it is better than them not appearing at all right? IDK what are your thoughts? I find this to be extremely possible. How about you?

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07/02/2014 07:50 PM (UTC)
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Hmmm, it's a nice theory but I don't see it happening. Boons already said no to fatality variations so I'm not sure how fatalities would work. Plus imagine all the character models they'd have to design.
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07/02/2014 08:09 PM (UTC)
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Not a chance. It would only make sense for Noob and Smoke since they teamed up in the past. It would be absurd to take other characters and infuse them into one. Jade, Mileena and Kitana are their own characters and they were never a team in the game. Well Jade and Kitana were technically fighting together for Shao Kahn but still it doesn't justify it imo.
The way variations are gonna work in the game is pretty clear so far. They are 3 different fighting styles for the SAME character. Where did all these ideas about multiple characters in one slot come from?
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07/02/2014 08:10 PM (UTC)
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I disagree. It would only be a handful of other character models. I am not saying the entire roster is going to be full of these but we might see 1 or two of them. That is only 8 extra character models (including alts), 8 extra fatalities and 12 LESS variations (if all 6 of the characters had three variations, that would be 18 total) So there is balance that is achieved in doing so, to the benefit of including more of peoples favorite characters.
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07/02/2014 08:27 PM (UTC)
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Noob/Smoke could make it :) Maybe they are the new Boss!
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Jaded-Raven
07/02/2014 08:28 PM (UTC)
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Asesino Wrote:
Noob/Smoke could make it :) Maybe they are the new Boss!


Well, since Noob is gone and Smoke is human, I don't see that happening.
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07/02/2014 08:32 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Asesino Wrote:
Noob/Smoke could make it :) Maybe they are the new Boss!


Well, since Noob is gone and Smoke is human, I don't see that happening.


Or..Noob is not gone and smoke is an enenra
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Jaded-Raven
07/02/2014 08:34 PM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Asesino Wrote:
Noob/Smoke could make it :) Maybe they are the new Boss!


Well, since Noob is gone and Smoke is human, I don't see that happening.


Or..Noob is not gone and smoke is an enenra


Well, Smoke is an enenra in human form.
As for Noob, as far as we know, he's gone.
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07/02/2014 09:20 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't mind Noob-Smoke, but I wouldn't want to see KItana/Millena/Jade in the same character. Not one bit.

PD: I loved using the alt colour for Noob's classic ninja costume in MK9, as his shadow was Smoke. That was really cool.
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07/02/2014 09:49 PM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Asesino Wrote:
Noob/Smoke could make it :) Maybe they are the new Boss!


Well, since Noob is gone and Smoke is human, I don't see that happening.


Or..Noob is not gone and smoke is an enenra


Shadows cannot die, so I see him coming back. Since Sub-Zero is alive and well, Smoke has most-likely gone back and became a cyborg. So it could actually work with the two.
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07/02/2014 09:51 PM (UTC)
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Already said but I will say add on to it.

People will just bitch anyway.

I could be totally wrong but Variations are practically just different special attacks, not move-sets.

So for a "Team EarthRealm" set.
Jax, Sonya and Johnny will all have the same combos and standard attacks.
Think of it as alternate costume to a character model.
Nothing changed except how the character model looks.

Are you people really ready for that?
Because there's no other way to do this besides just making them their own full character for the roster, thus making this idea invalid.


As already mention, "man, I wish it was just an actual character with their own move-set and three variations" that alone is just enough for people to hiss at the developers.

Because it can't be foreseen until more than just people behind close doors get their hands on it. But me, there's no doubt in my mind that each character will have a go-to Variation that will deem the other Variations useless. I can almost guaranteed this is going to happen. Which I don't understand the point of Variations in this game when Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance proved that one button switches does suffice. I can personally already see myself using Sub-Zero and just his Variation where I can chuck Ice Clones at people, fuck everything else. It's like Super Street Fighter IV, everyone is going to use that one Ultra attack because the other is useless in comparison or Street Fighter III 3rd Strike if you wanna be anal about it.

So imagine out of "Team EarthRealm", Jax, Johnny and Sonya.

Think of Mortal Kombat 9 and think which one of the three is top tier in that game, and now you got a problem. Because the other two characters are pointless against whatever-the-fuck is going to be the the go-to Variation for someone like, I dunno, Scorpion...BECAUSE....

In my opinion, while this is a interesting thought, I don't think it's going to work out.
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07/02/2014 10:09 PM (UTC)
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
Already said but I will say add on to it.

People will just bitch anyway.

I could be totally wrong but Variations are practically just different special attacks, not move-sets.

So for a "Team EarthRealm" set.
Jax, Sonya and Johnny will all have the same combos and standard attacks.
Think of it as alternate costume to a character model.
Nothing changed except how the character model looks.

Are you people really ready for that?
Because there's no other way to do this besides just making them their own full character for the roster, thus making this idea invalid.


As already mention, "man, I wish it was just an actual character with their own move-set and three variations" that alone is just enough for people to hiss at the developers.

Because it can't be foreseen until more than just people behind close doors get their hands on it. But me, there's no doubt in my mind that each character will have a go-to Variation that will deem the other Variations useless. I can almost guaranteed this is going to happen. Which I don't understand the point of Variations in this game when Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance proved that one button switches does suffice. I can personally already see myself using Sub-Zero and just his Variation where I can chuck Ice Clones at people, fuck everything else. It's like Super Street Fighter IV, everyone is going to use that one Ultra attack because the other is useless in comparison or Street Fighter III 3rd Strike if you wanna be anal about it.

So imagine out of "Team EarthRealm", Jax, Johnny and Sonya.

Think of Mortal Kombat 9 and think which one of the three is top tier in that game, and now you got a problem. Because the other two characters are pointless against whatever-the-fuck is going to be the the go-to Variation for someone like, I dunno, Scorpion...BECAUSE....

In my opinion, while this is a interesting thought, I don't think it's going to work out.


Incorrect. At least the way I am portraying this. Each character would be it's own individual character. Instead of having 3 variations they would essentially have only 1. I'm trying to think of characters with an over arching theme that can be grouped into one roster spot but have 3 individual characters for each variation. Like earthrealm protectors.. so there move sets would be completely their own.
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07/02/2014 10:21 PM (UTC)
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Well in all honesty I don't want certain characters to ONLY be available as variations. This community is one of the hardest to please, and I can already see the cosmic shit storm it would cause.
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07/02/2014 10:30 PM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
Incorrect. At least the way I am portraying this. Each character would be it's own individual character. Instead of having 3 variations they would essentially have only 1. I'm trying to think of characters with an over arching theme that can be grouped into one roster spot but have 3 individual characters for each variation. Like earthrealm protectors.. so there move sets would be completely their own.


Okay, so now the idea is literally similar to the DLC slot in MK9 but reworded.
You got a slot, and it contains Rain, Kenshi, and Skarlet.

I'm sorry, what's the point in this? Because the only thing I can understand happening is preventing the select screen from looking cluttered and that's it. At this point, there is no reason to remove two variations from each character if they are practically their own character. I don't get it.

And also, giving them one Variation will not work in this game, which I already explained how in my "Incorrect" post.
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07/02/2014 10:35 PM (UTC)
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
thisiscourage Wrote:
Incorrect. At least the way I am portraying this. Each character would be it's own individual character. Instead of having 3 variations they would essentially have only 1. I'm trying to think of characters with an over arching theme that can be grouped into one roster spot but have 3 individual characters for each variation. Like earthrealm protectors.. so there move sets would be completely their own.


Okay, so now the idea is literally similar to the DLC slot in MK9 but reworded.
You got a slot, and it contains Rain, Kenshi, and Skarlet.

I'm sorry, what's the point in this? Because the only thing that's happening is preventing the select screen from looking cluttered.

Oh no, two Variations are removed from each character. Oooo aaaaah.
I don't get it.

And also, that won't work. I already explained how in my "Incorrect" post.


Agree with Weapon Theory. Its essentially just different special moves and a slight cosmetic change.
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07/02/2014 10:36 PM (UTC)
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"For those who didn't see the ninja thread: Ninja_Arts proposed Noob and Smoke teaming up again in MKX. 1 variation being just Noob, The second Just smoke, the third variation being the classic tag team from MKD (i believe)."

It was a horrible idea the first time the team up happened. They need to be separate characters.
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07/03/2014 12:42 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Asesino Wrote:
Noob/Smoke could make it :) Maybe they are the new Boss!


Well, since Noob is gone and Smoke is human, I don't see that happening.


Exactly.

It's character VARIATION, not character REPLACEMENT. The variation mechanic is not a team mechanic.
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07/03/2014 04:02 AM (UTC)
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thisiscourage Wrote:
The noob/smoke three variation theory from the ninja thread has me thinking..

For those who didn't see the ninja thread: Ninja_Arts proposed Noob and Smoke teaming up again in MKX. 1 variation being just Noob, The second Just smoke, the third variation being the classic tag team from MKD (i believe).

Now.

I was at a loss at how NRS was going to incorporate 3 different variations for each character, especially when (we saw it with scorpion) they would have to create move sets and abilities for some characters that just aren't fleshed out enough ability wise. Scorpion is a shoe-in for getting 3 variations of course so they added his ability to control demons.

Now hear me out, and I know this will not be well liked but it might be how NRS is going to get away with this seemingly massive task. Boon keeps saying to whining fans on twitter not to fret about their favorite characters being in; which had me baffled until now.

Consider the Noob/Smoke combo to be true.. Could we see any other shared variations appearing in MKX? for instance an earth realm protectors tandem with Johnny being one variation, Sonya being the second and Jax being the third? Scared about one of your favorite female ninja's returning? well how about variation 1: Kitana V2: Mileena V3: Jade?

It might be a kick in the nuts for some people who are hoping for complete 3 variations for their beloved characters but it is better than them not appearing at all right? IDK what are your thoughts? I find this to be extremely possible. How about you?




I applaud you for having the courage to share what has clearly been an unpopular opinion. But it just wouldn't work for anyone other than Noob/Smoke since that has happened already, Fans of each individual character that get clumped together would go into a massive uproar of rage and anger. "Ohh my favorite isn't fleshed out enough...what is this corner cutting BS" ect, ect....Everyone elft off the main roster shouldn't stress too much their is always DLC.
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Icebaby
07/03/2014 04:04 AM (UTC)
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... Do we need more two characters as one? Isn't Kerra Torr enough?
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predac0n
07/03/2014 04:11 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
... Do we need more two characters as one? Isn't Kerra Torr enough?



I'm pretty sure he was merely making the suggestion so that everyone can atleast play as their favorite character. Obviously it would be a horribly dumb down version seeing as it would be a variation but still a familiar skin.
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07/03/2014 04:14 AM (UTC)
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Reptile_896 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
... Do we need more two characters as one? Isn't Kerra Torr enough?



I'm pretty sure he was merely making the suggestion so that everyone can atleast play as their favorite character. Obviously it would be a horribly dumb down version seeing as it would be a variation but still a familiar skin.


I get that it was just a suggestion, but I don't think my question would hurt the topic.
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razz2d2
07/03/2014 04:17 AM (UTC)
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The only way this would really make sense is if [C/K]hameleon were doing it.

And I mean...I would put them in between the lists of "ehh maybe DLC" and "NO"
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predac0n
07/03/2014 04:17 AM (UTC)
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I get that it was just a suggestion, but I don't think my question would hurt the topic.



My apologies I thought your question had a condescending tone to it. But it appears I was incorrect. To answer your question personally I think Noob/Smoke should be the only ones that get the Ferra/Torr treatment.
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07/03/2014 04:25 AM (UTC)
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Reptile_896 Wrote:
I get that it was just a suggestion, but I don't think my question would hurt the topic.



My apologies I thought your question had a condescending tone to it. But it appears I was incorrect. To answer your question personally I think Noob/Smoke should be the only ones that get the Ferra/Torr treatment.


Why when it's not even canonically appropriate anymore?
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Icebaby
07/03/2014 04:29 AM (UTC)
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To be honest, I really didn't like Noob and Smoke teaming up. It just felt way too... random. It's mainly because we have Noob able to make his shadow attack. So in a way, you have two characters fighting against one, then you add Smoke, so that's three. Three characters in one.

Granted that as of right now Noob's fate is in the air, Smoke could either have his demon thing be canon or not, still, I can't see having these characters team up for a variation.
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