Mysteries of the Kamidogu [speculations and spoilers]
Mysteries of the Kamidogu [speculations and spoilers]
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posted03/09/2015 08:06 PM (UTC)byumbrascitorAbout Me
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Kano and Sub-Zero fight over a dagger with a scorpion tail pommel. Its magical properties, aside from the standard red-eye, are unknown. It was brought to the Red Dragon temple against Mavado's better judgment. Origin... Netherrealm?
Raiden uses the Kamidogu of Order, which seemingly gives the gift of prophecy. For some reason the blade bears the glaive-shaped symbol of Outworld, instead of the simple square of Seido. Is that a simple art fail? Because the Outworld design is even reiterated in Chapter 10, by a different artist.
Scorpion held custody of a dagger bearing a circular gem(?) on the blade and a ring on the handle. Two circles is vaguely reminiscent of Earthrealm's symbol, and it would make sense for it to be guarded on Earth. It appears to have some sort of healing ability that works when self-targeted.
Kotal possesses an unknown Kamidogu which seemingly gives him his Blood God variation with increased attack power. The dagger has no special ornamentation that can be seen, but it seems reasonable to guess it's Outworld's.
In multiple places in the comics, the "demon" behind the dagger antics has been hinted to be tied to the force of chaos. Could the demon, then, possibly be the God of Chaos? That would explain its attempt to turn Scorpion back to the fire and its mission to, in Raiden's words, "set us free." It also fits the MO for this description from the comic:
But then again, manipulating people to honor the Blood Code -- or any sort of code -- seems like the opposite of the do-whatever-the-hell-you-want spirit of Chaos. Is this the "Dark Knight Joker" brand of chaos, where you act like you're just doing random shit, but you're actually scheming out elaborate and -- *shudder* -- orderly plans like a mofo?
Then again, supposedly the daggers and their Blood Magick are connected to the One Being, which is presented as a separate entity from the (presumed) Chaos demon, so maybe the force that possessed Fox was not the demon Raiden warned them about after all:
We hear from Kano that the dagger possesses anyone it cuts, yet the one in Scorpion's care speaks to Fox before he ever touches it. Is that the same One Being influence that once drove Shao Kahn and Onaga to conquer? Speakng of possession, why is Kotal able to control himself so much better than Fox, and even Raiden? Is it because he offered himself as a willing sacrifice?
The description goes on to say that the six Kamidogu, when gathered together, have the power to contain a god. Perhaps this is how they managed to pokeball Shinnok? But they also have the power to create a god, in keeping with Onaga's plot in MKD. If the One Being is trying to unify its consciousness once again, then maybe the forces of Chaos are once again working to stop it? Raiden's insistence that "it doesn't want to destroy us, but set us free" makes a bit more sense in that light. But if that's the case, then why would the daggers want that?
And just what is their connection to Quan Chi?
The pieces are slowly coming together, but mysterious abound, and some of the information we know now appears to be inconsistent. What are everyone's thoughts on which blade is which, what they do individually, and what they do as a whole? What is the endgame here? And who is the final challenge?
Raiden uses the Kamidogu of Order, which seemingly gives the gift of prophecy. For some reason the blade bears the glaive-shaped symbol of Outworld, instead of the simple square of Seido. Is that a simple art fail? Because the Outworld design is even reiterated in Chapter 10, by a different artist.
Scorpion held custody of a dagger bearing a circular gem(?) on the blade and a ring on the handle. Two circles is vaguely reminiscent of Earthrealm's symbol, and it would make sense for it to be guarded on Earth. It appears to have some sort of healing ability that works when self-targeted.
Kotal possesses an unknown Kamidogu which seemingly gives him his Blood God variation with increased attack power. The dagger has no special ornamentation that can be seen, but it seems reasonable to guess it's Outworld's.
In multiple places in the comics, the "demon" behind the dagger antics has been hinted to be tied to the force of chaos. Could the demon, then, possibly be the God of Chaos? That would explain its attempt to turn Scorpion back to the fire and its mission to, in Raiden's words, "set us free." It also fits the MO for this description from the comic:
The Thunder God Raiden has seen visions of a great evil entering our world, one so powerful it could change then very face of the universe.
But then again, manipulating people to honor the Blood Code -- or any sort of code -- seems like the opposite of the do-whatever-the-hell-you-want spirit of Chaos. Is this the "Dark Knight Joker" brand of chaos, where you act like you're just doing random shit, but you're actually scheming out elaborate and -- *shudder* -- orderly plans like a mofo?
Then again, supposedly the daggers and their Blood Magick are connected to the One Being, which is presented as a separate entity from the (presumed) Chaos demon, so maybe the force that possessed Fox was not the demon Raiden warned them about after all:
The one hope to stop the sinister force lies in six ancient relics, mystical blades imbued with the Blood Magick of the One Being the Kamidogu daggers
We hear from Kano that the dagger possesses anyone it cuts, yet the one in Scorpion's care speaks to Fox before he ever touches it. Is that the same One Being influence that once drove Shao Kahn and Onaga to conquer? Speakng of possession, why is Kotal able to control himself so much better than Fox, and even Raiden? Is it because he offered himself as a willing sacrifice?
The description goes on to say that the six Kamidogu, when gathered together, have the power to contain a god. Perhaps this is how they managed to pokeball Shinnok? But they also have the power to create a god, in keeping with Onaga's plot in MKD. If the One Being is trying to unify its consciousness once again, then maybe the forces of Chaos are once again working to stop it? Raiden's insistence that "it doesn't want to destroy us, but set us free" makes a bit more sense in that light. But if that's the case, then why would the daggers want that?
And just what is their connection to Quan Chi?
The pieces are slowly coming together, but mysterious abound, and some of the information we know now appears to be inconsistent. What are everyone's thoughts on which blade is which, what they do individually, and what they do as a whole? What is the endgame here? And who is the final challenge?
Good observation, I just hope / wish any characters involved are not overlooked or Chaos gets little attention in the game unlike the comic. Havik, Onaga are definitely connected. The story is awesome, just seems weird if NRS does not even create 1 new character based on this.
sharefrock •03/08/2015 05:56 PM (UTC) •
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barakall Wrote:
Good observation, I just hope / wish any characters involved are not overlooked or Chaos gets little attention in the game unlike the comic. Havik, Onaga are definitely connected. The story is awesome, just seems weird if NRS does not even create 1 new character based on this.
Good observation, I just hope / wish any characters involved are not overlooked or Chaos gets little attention in the game unlike the comic. Havik, Onaga are definitely connected. The story is awesome, just seems weird if NRS does not even create 1 new character based on this.
Why create a unique and interesting character when we can have another SF member?
Anyways good topic and nice research.
I think every Kamidogu does have a power of it's own, And this Wednesday we will find out if that's true or not.
Adam Ronin •03/08/2015 06:33 PM (UTC) •
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This is a great post, something that MKO lacks lately.
Obviously the Kamidogu are most certainly going to play a part tying somehow to Shinnoks amulet from the story mode trailer. Hard to say what. Interesting though that the Kamidogu made no appearance in the story trailer.
Obviously the Kamidogu are most certainly going to play a part tying somehow to Shinnoks amulet from the story mode trailer. Hard to say what. Interesting though that the Kamidogu made no appearance in the story trailer.
lastfighter89 •03/08/2015 07:19 PM (UTC) •
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Interesting enough the only way of free someone out of the kamidogu curse is to kill the host.
Considering that Kuai Liang was not killed and got his scar by Kano with one of the Kamidogu, I assume he is still under the spell. That's why he wasn't happy to see Cassie and friends in the story trailer.
Considering that Kuai Liang was not killed and got his scar by Kano with one of the Kamidogu, I assume he is still under the spell. That's why he wasn't happy to see Cassie and friends in the story trailer.
Xadowdark •03/08/2015 07:48 PM (UTC) •
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sheone Wrote:
I have a little question, didn't know where to ask, edenia and zaterra are now part of outworld, what about Seido and chaosrealm? Are they belonging to outworld or are they independant like earth and neitherealm?
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I have a little question, didn't know where to ask, edenia and zaterra are now part of outworld, what about Seido and chaosrealm? Are they belonging to outworld or are they independant like earth and neitherealm?
Thank you
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So wait, according to what you laid out here Havik can't be the big bad...right? It sounds like he is actually trying to help the realms against the One Being in his own weird way?
This is confusing.
So who is the big bad? Onaga? It can't be the One Being because if it is able to bring itself together that means the universe is over and it's already won...
This is confusing.
So who is the big bad? Onaga? It can't be the One Being because if it is able to bring itself together that means the universe is over and it's already won...
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sheone Wrote:
I have a little question, didn't know where to ask, edenia and zaterra are now part of outworld, what about Seido and chaosrealm? Are they belonging to outworld or are they independant like earth and neitherealm?
Thank you
I have a little question, didn't know where to ask, edenia and zaterra are now part of outworld, what about Seido and chaosrealm? Are they belonging to outworld or are they independant like earth and neitherealm?
Thank you
They are independent of Outworld at the moment, if at all canon to this timeline.
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Great post OP
So atm Scorpion has 2 daggers, the one from Fox, and the one he just stole from Raiden
Sub-Zero has one, the one he stole from kano.
so that leaves 3 unaccounted for.
Also chaosrealm is definitely a big part of MKX
i also remember kittelsen saying these daggers are different that the kamidogus than the one's shujinko was collecting, so i dont think onaga is behind any of this.
I think its chaos realm related, so possibly Havik or some new chaos realm character.
So atm Scorpion has 2 daggers, the one from Fox, and the one he just stole from Raiden
Sub-Zero has one, the one he stole from kano.
so that leaves 3 unaccounted for.
Also chaosrealm is definitely a big part of MKX
i also remember kittelsen saying these daggers are different that the kamidogus than the one's shujinko was collecting, so i dont think onaga is behind any of this.
I think its chaos realm related, so possibly Havik or some new chaos realm character.
TigerStyle •03/08/2015 09:59 PM (UTC) •
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Do you think we'll learn why they're weapons this time around instead of artifacts?
Or are they just going to leave it as "they were always different in this timeline."?
Or are they just going to leave it as "they were always different in this timeline."?
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sheone Wrote:
Ok because in the wiki I read that seidan were controlling the water or chaosrealm, which was confusing. Thank you for the reply !
Ok because in the wiki I read that seidan were controlling the water or chaosrealm, which was confusing. Thank you for the reply !
Chaosrealmer's worship water because of it's fluid, free flowing nature.
In Seido, the water is a controlled element, with means of bounding it by fountains, etc.
My conclusion is that the Chaosrealmer's find it offensive that Seidan's control water in this way, resulting in riots/protests.
But this was all old timeline envisioning.
SHAMEonNINJAS •03/08/2015 10:14 PM (UTC) •
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Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
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TigerStyle Wrote:
Do you think we'll learn why they're weapons this time around instead of artifacts?
Or are they just going to leave it as "they were always different in this timeline."?
Do you think we'll learn why they're weapons this time around instead of artifacts?
Or are they just going to leave it as "they were always different in this timeline."?
TigerStyle •03/08/2015 10:34 PM (UTC) •
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Shit, I checked twitter and didn't see that. Guess I'm blind. Thanks for the heads up fellas.
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Wait are we assuming the daggers have replaced the artifacts?
Can't both exist?
Can't both exist?
TigerStyle •03/08/2015 11:56 PM (UTC) •
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They could have both but I assumed they'd want the daggers to replace the artifacts because they figured it'd be better to have them used by characters extensively rather than just be artifacts to collect and then break in Onaga's chamber. Or at least both would be mentioned. Disregard me I'm jumping the gun like everyone over shit that hasn't been totally clarified yet.
umbrascitor •03/09/2015 12:32 AM (UTC) •
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Xadowdark Wrote:
The dagger Kotal used is not a Kamidogu.
https://twitter.com/kittelsen/status/567045314364710912
The dagger Kotal used is not a Kamidogu.
https://twitter.com/kittelsen/status/567045314364710912
That's weird, because that dagger looks like it causes the exact same symptoms of red eye, mood swings, inflammation of the speech bubbles, and a serious case of Blood Code:
I'm thinking that if that is Kotal's personal dagger, then that dagger is still one of the Kamidogu that he's using as a personal weapon. Outworld's is the best guess.
So as Cages_Shades pointed out, Scorpion now has two, Sub-Zero has one, and Kotal has one, leaving two unaccounted for. I'm speculating that when Scorpion meets Sub-Zero later in the comic, he might acquire his as well.
SHAMEonNINJAS Wrote:
Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
It's the Outworld symbol on Raiden's "Order" blade, actually. The reason for the mixup is still a mystery.
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So wait, according to what you laid out here Havik can't be the big bad...right? It sounds like he is actually trying to help the realms against the One Being in his own weird way?
This is confusing.
So who is the big bad? Onaga? It can't be the One Being because if it is able to bring itself together that means the universe is over and it's already won...
So wait, according to what you laid out here Havik can't be the big bad...right? It sounds like he is actually trying to help the realms against the One Being in his own weird way?
This is confusing.
So who is the big bad? Onaga? It can't be the One Being because if it is able to bring itself together that means the universe is over and it's already won...
This is indeed confusing. It's still unclear who or what the "Kamidogu voice" is or if the demon Raiden is talking about is even the same entity. I'd be surprised if Havik doesn't get involved somehow, but I don't think he's on the power level to be the voice of the daggers. He could be the demon, though, and he could be seeding chaos in the realms via the Outworld war.
The clues from the story are pulling in so many directions that it's hard to draw any solid conclusions yet. But maybe with a few more story clues and a big enough pile of brains on the case, we can work it out.
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SHAMEonNINJAS Wrote:
Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
It was actually the Outworld symbol on it, but someone asked kittelsen about that, he said it was a artist error
@DaScorps That was just a sketch line that ended up looking too close to Outworld for comfort. Still bugs me FWIW, but live and let live.
— Shawn Kittelsen (@kittelsen) March 8, 2015SHAMEonNINJAS •03/09/2015 07:58 PM (UTC) •
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Cages_Shades Wrote:
It was actually the Outworld symbol on it, but someone asked kittelsen about that, he said it was a artist error
SHAMEonNINJAS Wrote:
Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
Could it be that raiden accidentally used the chaos kamidogu instead of the order one? The one he uses has the chaos symbol on it lol. He does kind of seem like an idiot.
It was actually the Outworld symbol on it, but someone asked kittelsen about that, he said it was a artist error
@DaScorps That was just a sketch line that ended up looking too close to Outworld for comfort. Still bugs me FWIW, but live and let live.
— Shawn Kittelsen (@kittelsen) March 8, 2015Oh ok cool. that's weird because havik has that symbol on his headband. That's why I thought that.
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