Get back on topic please.

Anyway, what bothered me was the selection of fighting styles used for
each character in MKDA and MKD. MKD takes the cake for both very good
selections and very bad selections in my opinion (aside the fact that the
styles there are as much tied to reality as my drunk dreams).

Now, how in the hell could HUn Gar suit Baraka? Hun Gar is a finesse
based style, not suiting someone like Baraka. Instead of Hun Gar they
could have suited him with Chow Gar or with a highly aggressive style like
Xing I Quan (Hsing Yi).

Dragon suits Sub-Zero perfectly, but Shotokan? Well, somewhere it
makes sense, since the Lin Kuei are tied to the ninja.

Pi Gua for Hotaru was the best move. Armor based character getting an armor based style, but Ba shan fan (what is a subsystem of Pa Kua -or Bagua)? And look on the moved. Despite the mechanical motion of Hotarus armor, it looks a little weird.

What I could not comprehend, was that Dairou had escrima. A matrial art from the Philipines??? Explain it at least. Wing Tsun should have been given to females, since it ws developed originally for females. In MKDA I would strongly support the idea of switching Kitanas Ba Gua with Mavados Wing Chun.

There should be some logical order of m.arts given to each character.

HOw about you come to atlanta and I'll set up a money match for you with RTD on SC 2 and you can play for a grand or so and you can show how you can just mash and beat anybody on sc2.

Dude im talking strickly about MK man,not SC2 or any other fighting game....each fighting game is different from one another...your buddie Krackerjack or whatever.......sorry for butchering his name ....said that he could win or a player can win in deception by simply picking Dairou and tombstoning the whole day or using broken gliches and so forth.

I just said that i simply disagree dude,and that you have to really know what your doing with Dairou,Bo,Ashrah,N/S,Hotaru, and all the characters that have little infinite gliches....These guys above are the worst of them though........some people know about them others dont.........
How about this we will agree to disagree......ok

I say they should have Capeoria, the Brazillian Martial art, which also happens to be impossible to spell.

and Kobra, where the hell do you find a 'shirai whatever' class in the middle of New York!!??

Umm, since our old pal, Ben Kobra has been the recent martial arts champ, I suppose he got the background to travel and train. I think he sunk to sociopathic levels after his complete training.

BTW, here is a list of m.arts that don't fit their owners:

Wing Chun- it was invented by a woman, I think this should suit Kitana better, since it is a very old, but not too archaic style.

Escrima: a samurai ronin with a philipine martial art? Based on fighting
with sticks??? it owned in designs when it was Quan Chis, but Dairous??

Haviks styles: snake is all right and understandable, but why the other? I suppose they should use Choy chuan/quan instead (rat and snake style).
Dim mak should suit Havik better than anything. A rotting master of gongfu, now thats something you don't see in videogames every day.

A good choice was to give Pi Gua to Hotaru, since it illustrates his armour fighting methods. Notice that Scorpion is taught by koreans? Both Moi Fah flower fist and Hapkido comes from Korea. I may suspect that the Shiray ryu needed outside help to survive in the 20 century.

...and the list will soon continue...

I agree with you about there needing to be fitting styles for the characters. However, there are some things I need to bring up.

I think Baraka should use a style called Tarkata and it would be a rigid, but brutal style based on brute strength and no finess.

Shotokan is a style of Karate founded in 1936. It's derived from Shorin Ryu and Shorei Ryu, two of the original 4 styles of Okinawan Karate. Shorin Ryu is characterized by speed and Shorei Ryu is characterized by power. And when Gichin Funakoshi combined the aspects of both styles, well, I think you get the idea.

I guess Shotokan was meant to be Sub-Zero's hard hitting, aggressive, and linear style while Dragon is more of his well rounded style with both hard and soft movements as well as both linear and circular. That's why I think Dragon should be his hardest to master style. The Dragon style used in MKDA and MKD is most likely more of the Shaolin version which I have nothing against of course. It's just that if that's the case, I'd like to see it more personalized so it can be more Lin Kuei like and such while retaining certain aspects and moves that are good.

I agree with Pi Gua suiting Hotaru. Ba Shan Fan (Eight Flash Fist) is actually meant to emphasize speed. It's another name for Fan Zi/Fan Tzu which Jade uses. How about Sambo or Krav Maga for Hotaru?

Wing Chun suits Dairou perfectly, imo. I know it was developed by a Shaolin nun, but that doesn't meant that only the female characters should use it. I personally think it's a good fit for him and he should keep it. As for Escrima, well, I know it's related to stick fighting arts though in the MKDA description for it, Escrima is also linked to close ranged arts that use lots of trapping moves. Wing Chun also uses lots of trapping moves so I guess Dairou is more of a trapping/striking fighter which is cool. Autumn Dao is a good fit though it needs to have differences to Kung Lao's Broadsword. I'm aware that it did, though it shared many of the moves Kung Lao used with his weapon. Btw, Dairou is NOT a ronin though his original concept was going to be something along the lines of that. Either way, he ended being some kind of mercenary.

When it comes to fighting styles for Havik, I was thinking of the idea of a personalized style for him involving chaotic movements making it an unpredictable style. The idea of him having Snake is a good one though he should have a variation of it like Viper or Python. The Morning Star is a good fit for him though the finger jab move needs to be replaced with something better. Not sure on your idea for Dim Mak though. I would like to see Sektor with Devil Hands and Smoke or Noob with Ghost Hands though the thing is that MK really needs to have various move properties in order for those styles to be portrayed accurately.

Just because Scorpion learned Hapkido doesn't necessarily mean that he was taught by someone who was Korean. Btw, Moi Fah is a Chinese martial art, not a Korean one. More specifically, it's a Shaolin martial art..which came from Northern China if I remember correctly. Scorpion is known to have been a member of the Shirai Ryu ninja clan. From my research, there was a traditional style of Ninjutsu called Shirai Ryu and it was one of the main schools along with Negishi Ryu, Shinto Ryu, and Hakuun Ryu. If Shirai Ryu Ninjutsu still exists, the MK team should reallly get someone skilled in it to motion capture for it since that would be the most fitting fighting style for Scorpion. When it comes to weapons, Mugai Ryu was actually used by the Samurai so I think it'd be better if he had his Ninja-To back. Or....he could simply have his Spear as his weapon and it should be very intuitive.

I think Midway just gave the martial arts out to anyone. Just look at the previews. Sub-Zero had Pi Gua while Mileena had Lui Ha Ba Fa (Is that how you spell the damn word?). So I wonder, those who did research on the martial arts, did they have the option of saying who it should belong to? Or did they just keep their mouths shut and give the programers the martial art?

Umm, Ba Shan Fan is actualy a subsystem of Ba Gua. messups in chinese martial arts often occur. It would suit him perfectly since the Flash Fist style uses shorter range attacks, and those suit an armored figure perfectly. Baranta is almost the same, exeption we use lighter armors and focus more on wrestling.

Scorpion should have Taijutsu becouse he is a ninja, but shiray-ryu is associated with throwing weapons, so it would not make sense for a fist-to-fist style, would it?

About Ba Shan Fan, that's not what I learned through my research. Perhaps I will have to look into it deeper. However, from what I've gathered, Ba Shan Fan and Fan Zi Quan are the same style.

As for Taijutsu, well, that could refer to any unarmed martial art unless you're referring to Ninpo Taijutsu. The 3 Ninjutsu Ryu (Togakure, Gyokushin, and Kumogakure) are believed to be the only ones left. However, there still might be some other Ninjutsu styles left. Still, that's not certain. Out of the 3 from the Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu system, Scorpion should definitely have Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu. It'd go well with him.

Shirai Ryu was one of the main schools of Ninjutsu along with Hakuun Ryu, Negishi Ryu, and Shinto Ryu. There is also known to be a Shurikendo/Shurikenjutsu style called Shirai Ryu. Whether there is a connection between the two and whether or not the Shirai Ryu style of Ninjutsu still exists is uncertain. If Shirai Ryu Ninjutsu still exists and if someone knows it well, Scorpion should definitely use it.

I think he should have the Ninja-To back. Mugai Ryu is a Samurai sword style.

yes, Fan Zi and Ba Shan Fan are more than equals, but they both belong under the terminology of bagua (or baji quan? forgot which). But Jun Fan and Jeet Kune Do are not the same, both are extremely similar, but not the same.

Taijutsu and Togakure Ninpo-wel since that is the only ninjutsu style survivng the ages almost in wholeness, I would go with that.

This is just an idea, so feel free to shut it down since I don't know nearly as much about martial arts as some of you on this thread. I heard something like this mentioned earlier, regarding offensive and defensive styles. I'd personally like it if one style, the more offensive style, featured throws, better combos, more aggressive special moves (projectiles, advancing attacks), dash moves, and weak parries etc while the defensive style featured strong counters, evades, escapes, counterthrows, throw evades, and defensive special moves like teleporting, invisability, or projectile invulnerability etc. Would this be possible given the number of offensive and defensive fighting styles out there? And could this idea work in an MK game?

Yes and no. becouse there isn't really a defense/offense style. Aikido can harm an opponent thus turning the reverses, the defense into a tool of retribution on the attacker. But that is debatable.

I personally would like to see different styles for each characters, and yes, deefnse and offense should be the main pair up. nless the character is mostly violent or offensive by nature (Baraka, Scorpion) those should have speed or power styles.

Ba Shan Fan is just another name for Fan Zi, that's all. I don't think there's any connection to Ba Gua Zhang though there might be a bit of a connection to Baji Quan.

As for Jun Fan and Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan is Bruce Lee's own Kung Fu style in which he modified the techniques of Wing Chun and later on added techniques from Boxing, Fencing, Savate, etc. Sometime afterwards, he came up with a name for his philosophy, Jeet Kune Do. It is seen in various ways. Some see it as a martial art. Some see it as a philosophy. And others see it as both. If I'm not mistaken, Bruce Lee initially wanted to create a super fighting style but later on realized his mistake and instead used Jeet Kune Do as a way of no way, the style of fighting without fighting.

Both Jun Fan and Jeet Kune Do are still taught today though there are some that actually have Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do to combine the earlier aspects of Bruce Lee's methods with the adaptive philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. I could be wrong about this, but that's pretty much what I understand from what I've researched and learned and such.

When it comes to Ninjutsu, there is also Gyokushin Ryu and Kumogakure Ryu though I believe those styles aren't taught to many people. Gyokushin Ryu would be such a good fit for Noob Saibot since it has a lot do with espionage and it was not a well known style just like how Noob Saibot was not that well known (that is until we learned that he was originally the older Sub-Zero).

There have been said to have been around 73 Ryu of Ninjutsu though most of them died out with only Togakure Ryu, Gyokushin Ryu, and Kumogakure Ryu left. Other Ninjutsu styles not part of the X-Kan (Bujinkan, Genbukan, and Jinenkan) are usually believed to be fake.

But yeah, Scorpion should definitely use Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu along with the Ninja-To/Shinobi Katana.

Regarding Aikido, it's pretty much all about defense and using the opponent's energy against him/her. So basically the more energy the opponent puts into an attack, the more damage he/she will cause upon his/her self when the Aikidoka counters.

I think Aikido would be rather tough to accurately capture in a fighting game like Mortal Kombat since it's pretty much full of only grappling type moves like locks, throws, pinning, etc. It would be a hard to master style and would require good timing as well as knowing which kind of counter move to use depending on the level of the attack (high, mid, low) and how the move is and stuff like that.

Baraka should definitely be an offensive fighter with brutal attacks. I was thinking of a made up style like Tarkata with various smashing moves.

What I would love to see is regular, good ol crazy punches, Boxing!! And I would love Jeet Kune Do. That's all I have to say.

Good ol' crazy punches? You might want to elaborate on that one for me.

As for Boxing, well..I guess MK could somewhat emulate what Tekken did for Steve Fox by making attack buttons 3 and 4 sidestepping buttons.

As for Jeet Kune Do, well, that could be done in many different ways. The techniques used in JKD are limitless in theory though there are certain techniques that are used, namely ones from Wing Chun, Boxing, Fencing, Savate, etc.