I hated it when they did it with Bi-Han in the last game. Mainly because it was just Noob Siabot only not black and the costume made no sense for either Sub-Zero to wear (seriously spiked gauntlets?) and it just felt like a cheap alt.

And I would likely not be happy if they did it here either.

I'd dig it. Why the hell would I say no to variety?

Say you are a huge fan of Fujin... just play along.

You hope Fujin will be in the game so you may learn more of his story, see him evolve as a character, get an awesome moveset and some cool Variations.

... and then learn that instead of putting Fujin in, he is just a skin smacked onto someone else, because NRS didn't care enough about Fujin to make him his own character.

It's degrading as hell.

See, if you ask me, that's better than not having him in the game at all. Plus, I don't see this idea as implying you don't get a new story and character evolution. The only thing it implies is he has the same moves as someone else's variation. Plus they could always do what they did with human Cyrax and Sektor and make changes to their animations to fit the character better (i.e replacing bombs with explosive potion things).

Well, if that's the case, then we should just have Scorpion as a playable character with all the other characters just being skins to him, because apparently that is better than not hav-...



... oh... nevermind then.

I'm still not a fan of it though.

Remember Goro in MK4? He had so many of Kintaro's moves, plus Sheeva's ground stomp, and little of his own moves from MK1-T, that they could have made both the other Shokan his alts with little problem, Kintaro especially, with Sheeva being slightly weaker.

Darrius still lacks an established moveset of his own, save for his projectile, that he could work as an alt for Jax, the primary gameplay differences being his projectile (which wouldn't have to be stronger nor weaker than Jax's) and turquoise energy instead of purple for some of Jax's attacks like the earthquake.

Its a forum lol and last time I check, his threads have been getting alot of replies so obviously they are good enough to talk about so give it a rest.

Oh come off it Jaded, your being purposefully lopsided.

Fujin has NO other character that is remotely close to him ability-wise. I know your just giving an example but that is an easy one lowball one to lopside the argument in your favor.

The point of having another character as an alt is because that said character is so a like another character that why waste two spots for say.. two cryomancers (frost and subby; or kuia and bi han in mk9) when they can share abilities and a roster spot.

PLUS the characters WILL be part of the story, why wouldn't they be?

Slap Fujin on Ermac and reskin the telekinesis into some kind of wind, then voila.

Either way, I wouldn't want any of my favourite characters to just be tacked on alts on another character, no matter how much they may seem alike gameplay wise.

It's just tacky...

I can appreciate that.

But I think if I had to choose my favorite character sitting out or being a skin, I would take the skin.

I'd rather they sit out then. :/
E.g. the chances of Jade being in the game are VERY slim. But if Kitana or Tanya makes it, I wouldn't want some Jade skin being slapped onto them as an alt. That's simply not good enough, imo.

@JADED^ I dont think it would work with those characters. They are so unalike. Sure maybe dress-wise but their gameplay is so drastically different I dont think it would work.

I am in agreement with you on that. I would not want them to force a character into a skin.

But for the sake of bolstering the roster, Why not make certain character's skin of one another? I keep coming back to the cryomancers because they have such a unique ability that they all share. I think what mk9 did with Bi Han and Kuia was perfect. I feel as tho they could do the same thing for Frost in MKX.

Another example that we might see is another one of Reptile's kin appear in story mode. This would be another place where a skin might work.

Jade shouldn't be an alt for Kitana, but I wouldn't mind an alternate color scheme for a masked Kitana that resembled Jade's, right down to the skin color and more importantly, the bronze fans. I really miss those.

No, I'm not saying Jade should be a palette swap of Kitana. Just that Kitana should have a color pattern based on Jade's. She'd still be referred by the announcer as Kitana. Hell, I'd be okay with only the bronze fans, as they're what I really want.

You know who I'd suggest as an alt for Torr? Marcus Fenix and co, exclusively for the X-Bone version of course. To me, Torr's just the right size for them. But his "dialogue" in intros should remain the same.

Your basically suggesting what Super Smash Melee did? One of Peaches color schemes was Daisy. One of Mario's colors was Wario. etc.

I wouldn't be opposed to this. It would basically be like throwing a bone to a character that was omitted.

That UMvC3 flow.

Frost wouldn't work as a skin because they'd have to rework her hit-boxes. I'd rather she be a separate character, she can still play very different to Sub-Zero even if she's another cryomancer.

The only character I see this would work for is Frost on Sub-Zero. It would take little effort to pull this off. Just a character model, audio and you're set. We are stuck in the mindset that "hurrr, any ice person can do the same shit" because everything ice related is a signature to Sub-Zero by nature.
And I don't know if I would shell out money for a Frost skin or if I would want more to her. I definitely want her teleport slide to return for the sake of my friend who main her in Armageddon. We had fun matches of me as Ermac vs his Frost.

Everybody else, they would need tweaks and extra moves to them. The idea of Sonya and Johnny being Cassie's Alts. It's unacceptable of them not having their signature attacks, they need more. I'm sorry, but to me, giving Cassie green hands does not maker her Johnny Cage. And I still don't see Sonya in her at all besides the X-Ray.

Sorry if I sound ignorant, but would reworking Frost's hitboxes be that much of a programming hassle, especially if that was all they had to do?

Yes, Frost's gameplay could be different from Sub-Zero's. I know of a few ice-based characters from other fighting games that play very differently from Sub-Zero, like Killer Frost in Injustice (that MK's Frost could have been an alt for, too) or Kula from the King of Fighters series. But unless Frost's gameplay is changed drastically, she's better as an alternate skin for Sub-Zero.

Having just rewatched Sub-Zero in action recently, I believe even more so that his MKX gameplay would suit Frost, since Sub-Zero uses ice daggers in some of his combos.

Not for giant mainstay franchise characters, absolutely not.

But something like a 'Sisterhood of Shadow' character with seperate skins for Kia, Jataaka and Sareena? Lesser known universe characters? Absolutely.

The idea has a lot of potential. It wouldn't surprise me if this happened for at least one 'character'.

I've suggested making Jataaka and Kia alts for Sareena. Sareena could gain Kia's projectile, which was essentially the only special move she had, and Jataaka's sword. That way, Jataaka and Kia all get what few unique moves they had. I know Sareena had her own weapons in MKM, but I feel MKA gave her enough unique moves for her not to need them.

For comical purposes, I wouldn't mind making politicians alts for every characters of the appropriate gender a la Meat. Especially if you could fight characters in their alts in single-player.

Characters as alternate costumes is an AWFUL idea and I would kick a puppy if that EVER happens.

Regarding Injustice doing it, It's not really in-character for John Stewart to be making fighter jets, jet engines, and jet missiles with his ring like Hal Jordan, the fighter jet pilot, does...
I guess it worked fine for the legacy characters who DO all fight the same, like Barry Allen/Jay Garrick and Dick Grayson/Damian Wayne, though I wish they'd used different costumes and had Wally West for Flash, or an actual Robin outfit.

Didn't know MK= Smash Bros

From a gamescom interview with ed:


KT: Many fans are concerned with your talk of character descendants. They fear that their favourite characters will be succeeded by essentially clones with similar move-sets, when they could just have the original character. Is this something the team is being sensitive with?

ED: Right, yes. It never ceases to amaze me with the speculation that goes on. We love our fans and stuff like that and it's great that they're so into it but it just blows my mind when somebody hears 'Cassie Cage is in the game...' and then they assume that means 'well Sonya is not in the game!' and I don't know where they draw that conclusion and then they go 'Well if Sonya is not in the game that means Cassie is going to be a version of Sonya and she's gonna be skinned'. It's amazing but my advice would be don't speculate on that kind of stuff. *laughs*


I thought it was relevant to the post

Link: http://thekombattether.com/gamescom/ed-boon-interview.html

Something that's been on my mind for a while, is whether cyber-versions of existing characters like Smoke and Sub-Zero need to be separate characters on the roster, or if they work just fine as alts, like the human versions of Sektor and Cyrax.

The only things I felt Cyber-SubZero could do that really required his cybernetic enhancements were his grenades and cyberport (my name for his teleport special), both of which were exactly like Cyrax's but with a cool touch (I mean that literally) and his fatalities. Otherwise, CSZ would have been just fine as an alt, and his fatalities only needed to be exclusive to his cyber alt.

It was a wasted opportunity not to include Smoke's cybernetic form (both an individual one and the classic MK3 one) as his alt(s) in MK9, probably because NRS thought Cyber-Smoke would have needed to be his own character on the roster. The only changes needed would have been to make his smoke ball come out of his chest, and perhaps add an high-tech touch to his other special moves.