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06/23/2014 05:00 PM (UTC)
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from an advertising perspective surely physical comic books in stores would be the best option


It would be if comics were still sold on ordinary newsstands and supermarkets and places that normal people shop, but that's rare now.

People who don't already read comics don't go into comic book stores.

And people who do go into comic book stores are too small a number, that's why the industry's dying.


RIP industry sad
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06/23/2014 05:10 PM (UTC)
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I personally wouldn't mind if they started back up with the comics. I enjoy reading them. My only problem with more media coming in is in order to understand some lore, you HAVE to read the comics to know. Like with World of Warcraft. There's some lore in the books that aren't in the game, which annoys me a little bit but, if it's because they want you to read it up then so be it. I just wish there could be another way to make you want to read something without having to put lore into that without considering to put it in both.

If that makes any sense.
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06/23/2014 08:01 PM (UTC)
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Well, it happened. Injustice chapters went on to occupy the entire Top 10 on Amazon and Comixology.


Here's the problem. Your argument is that Injustice topped the digital charts, but you haven't provided actual numbers.

These sales alone are enough to negate the direct market


You've confused the issue. Injustice survives on the strength of its digital sales, of course. But that doesn't mean it's some Walking Dead - level hit.

If Comixology as a platform isn't out there in the common knowledge, then products are created to increase awareness. That is their objective.


So their (theoretical) objective is to create a comic (Injustice or Mortal Kombat) to raise awareness of a third-party platform rather than promote the product directly. This explains a lot, but sadly not about this specific topic.

This is all a fundamental lack of understanding. Not scepticism. Ignorance.


I don't have a response for this that wouldn't result in a ban. Pass.





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06/23/2014 09:47 PM (UTC)
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Well, it happened. Injustice chapters went on to occupy the entire Top 10 on Amazon and Comixology.

Here's the problem. Your argument is that Injustice topped the digital charts, but you haven't provided actual numbers.

This is just getting increasingly cretinous. The specific numbers don't matter. It's not an argument. It's what happened. Your not being aware of it, or not paying attention at the time has no baring on it. We would only need the numbers if it wasn't this successful. It was that successful. People paying attention documented it. [We] are credible sources.

Digital Comics Best-Sellers for August 4
Digital Comics Best-Sellers for September 1 2013
Digital Comics Best-Sellers: Injustice: Gods Among Us continues to steamroll the competition/

http://www.newsarama.com/11069-dc-comics-february-2013-sales-press-release.html
On the digital comics front INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US, the weekly digital-first comic based on the upcoming video game from Warner Bros. Interactive, continues to dominate the charts, selling four out of the top five digital books for the month and seven out of the top 10.

http://www.vertigocomics.com/blog/2013/12/13/batman-tops-comic-book-sales-charts-for-november
This rounds out a strong year for DCE’s critically acclaimed Digital First titles, lead by juggernaut INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US, which will return in January 2014.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/04/28/comics-realism-the-injustice-of-digital-comics-trade-waiting/
How else does one explain that the DC Comics Injustice gamer audience has driven the digital comic book “Injustice: Gods Among Us” tie-in to the top of Comixology’s digital comic charts around the world?

For March 2013, Injustice #3 was ranked 118 in floppy comic book sales. Now, that placement means it sold better than that month’s offerings of DC’s Legion of Super-Heroes, Marvel’s Captain Marvel, and Image’s Spawn, but I wasn’t expecting a comic book that isn’t even in the Top 100 of traditional comic book sales to so significantly dominate Top 10 digital comics charts all around the world; not just with its newest offerings, but its digital back issues too.

Clearly there is a significant, likely a hefty majority, of DC’s Injustice gamers that get their comic book fix – if they are interested in a comic book tie-in to begin with – digitally. That means ancillary properties like online games are bringing in new audiences to the comic book medium.


http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/10/04/dc-comics-dominates-comic-book-sales-charts-in-september/
DC Comics also thrived with their digital comic sales in September. Injustice: Gods Among Us took four out of the top ten spots for the month of September.























Injustice sales were so strong, they bumped the otherwise obscure Tom Taylor to #55 on Amazon's Top 100 authors:


No more.
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06/23/2014 09:55 PM (UTC)
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I feel as if this threa is beyond me trying to enter again. Anyways....

What if the MKX comic series was tie directly to bios? A long, detailed telling of what leads each character up to the beginning of MKX? This would especially be great for new characters' origin.

Sorry if this was said already. I REALLY didn't feel like sifting through these last 3 pages.
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06/23/2014 09:58 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
No more.


Apparently you're not familiar with me.

Anyway, all you've shown is that Injustice has sold well as a digital comic. I've never disputed this. But until you can produce real numbers, it's going to be difficult to convince me that said digital sales trump the DM. Or are in general anything to write home about. Moreover, you've done nothing to convince me that an MK comic would perform as well as Injustice or would perform as well as the average Avatar Press series.

If you want to be a champion for the franchise, I applaud you in your efforts. But until you have concrete figures to back your claims, you're a glorified cheerleader.
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06/23/2014 09:59 PM (UTC)
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Mick, just to play devil's advocate, do you have anything that lists numbers of units sold, or compares the best selling comic's sales to the best sellers of something mainstream like books or movies or video games?
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06/23/2014 10:02 PM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:

What if the MKX comic series was tie directly to bios? A long, detailed telling of what leads each character up to the beginning of MKX? This would especially be great for new characters' origin.


First off, holy shit, it's Casselman!

Second, that's pretty much what I'd want to see as well. An anthology series that lays the groundwork for what's to come.
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06/23/2014 10:13 PM (UTC)
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First off, holy shit, it's Casselman!


Hey, pal :) On this slow dragging train AGAIN....
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06/23/2014 11:06 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Mick, just to play devil's advocate, do you have anything that lists numbers of units sold, or compares the best selling comic's sales to the best sellers of something mainstream like books or movies or video games?

They don't release hard digital numbers. When talking about whether or not a series tops the charts - it's not needed. The charts are the sales data. I linked to Injustice's weak, cancellation level print sales numbers earlier. If they've topped all the major digital charts -- that's self-explanatory. How it numerically compares isn't the issue because - to reiterate ad nauseum - this product is attracting new eyes to platforms that need it. When multiple issues out rank every other book available - it is doing that.

Sales comparisons to any other thing on the planet do not have a shred of relevance. Platform. Product. Expand. Outrageously simple.

Of course, for a publisher/platform provider, the objective (at least in unspoken theory) is to attract a crossover audience of willing, unthinking, ignorant readers. You don't really want them getting distracted by strategies or deciding a cynical expansion strategy is something to rebel against -- you just want them showing up and hitting buy. So, I've got to think somewhere throughout all of this there's someone at Amazon having a spontaneous, unexplained orgasm. That's a positive to come out of it.
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06/23/2014 11:21 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Sales comparisons to any other thing on the planet do not have a shred of relevance. Platform. Product. Expand. Outrageously simple.


Ah, but is there any expansion? That's the question looming over all this. Injustice has topped digital sales, and good for them, but does that amount to being king of the wasteland? That's why the numbers are important despite claims to the contrary.
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06/24/2014 05:10 AM (UTC)
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The digital Injustice prequel comics were great. Loved reading the new one each week, and I'd love to see them do the same with MKX.
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06/24/2014 05:56 AM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:
I feel as if this threa is beyond me trying to enter again. Anyways....

What if the MKX comic series was tie directly to bios? A long, detailed telling of what leads each character up to the beginning of MKX? This would especially be great for new characters' origin.

I'd welcome that. But I'd prefer it be separate and based on the Original Timeline. The story had such depth, and it's the main reason I fell in love with MK.
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06/24/2014 05:57 AM (UTC)
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OptimusGrime Wrote:
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MK's kind of a dicey proposition so far as comics go.


Why is that? There is plenty of cross over between comic fans and MK fans.


So you basically stopped reading my post after the first sentence. I'm a nice guy, so I'll try again.


No need to be condescending. I'm simply saying that there have been many successful printed comics that have been licensed from other properties that have done well and made a profit.

Mortal Kombat is a very recognizable brand and would do well in terms of comic sales anyway.

My main point was why would there be so much risk in investing in a printed MK comic when its name is already recognizable by many comic fans and the fact that there is a lot of crossover between MK fans and comic fans. The audience is there for a potentially successful printed MK comic series.

Now it wouldn't be a cash cow, most comics aren't , but it would be a decent enough success to invest in.

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06/24/2014 06:06 AM (UTC)
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McHotcakes Wrote:
Mortal Kombat is a very recognizable brand and would do well in terms of comic sales anyway.


Recognizable brands don't necessarily translate to comics sales though. Not to say it's impossible (Gears of War was a beast before it was left to die on the vine), but it's also not terribly likely. But as stated earlier, I'd love to be proven wrong.

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