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06/15/2015 03:32 PM (UTC)
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I'll try answering some of these to the best of my ability from what I've noticed/seen:

1) NRS said they actually had another scene with Fujin in it but it got cut out before the final game. He was supposed to be in the Netherrealm assisting Jax. From the comics, it seems that he's stationed there to keep an eye out for Quan Chi.
2) The Netherrealm War was 2 years after MK9. It wouldn't surprise me if Johnny and Sonya caught Kenshi up on what happened in MK9 when he's recruited. Also, it seems in the MK universe that everyone knows everyone somehow.
3) They made Johnny's green glow a big deal in his ending for MK9. His potential has been mentioned since MK Armageddon so NRS probably wanted to focus on his powers even more to justify giving him and Cassie the hero spotlight.
4) In the comics, her and Jacqui are 15 and have already been training for awhile so they probably started training at a very early age.
5) The Kombat Kids were probably formed together because of their parents/Raiden. From what Johnny was saying and their lack of teamwork in the beginning, the team was probably recently formed though. From the flashbacks, Takeda was already part of SF because of Kenshi as of 5 years prior to the story so he, Jacqui, and Cassie were already there. All that needed to happen was bring Kung Jin over and then Sonya telling Johnny to form a team out of the 4.
5) I think this is the difference between NRS and the fans. I think they had the intention of having some NPC characters in story mode for fun. They've always mentioned that there will be a lot more characters than the playable ones in story so they probably wanted to see some NPC matches here and there. Goro was probably made into DLC despite not being in story because I believe there was also interest in having a sub-boss like character playable. They probably thought it would be okay that not all story characters are playable and not all playable characters had to be in story.
6) From what we've seen of Kano in the past couple years, the comics, etc. It shouldn't be surprising with all the tech he has, he has the ability to break in the vault. I do think it'd at least be nice to see that happen and if we get DLC story chapters hopefully we see one from him. As of now, I at least don't think it's crazy he is able to do this.
7) In real life, people who are gay do face discrimination still. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon to see that in the real world so it makes sense for Kung Jin to think he won't be accepted in the first place. And apparently, Shaolin are supposed to lead strict lives too so that might've affected Kung Jin's thoughts on the whole thing.
8) It was said that Quan Chi's powers were weakened with Shinnok being gone so that's why. This also could explain why it took 20+ years for him to do something. He was probably doing his best to bide his time and save his strength before the amulet could be received.
9) I didn't think this was too much of an issue in the story since few characters died. Although that could be something that would be elaborated in the next storyline. At the end of the day, we know those characters will be back regardless since it's MK.
10) My guess is that it's part of Quan Chi's magic where he just makes a new body for the soul to inhabit for his insurance that they'll work for him/Shinnok. But if his magic is disrupted, the revenants just keep the bodies and their souls will be freed. Despite what we saw in the comics, this could've been what the intention was to justify that Sub-Zero is human again in the first place. Again, just a guess.
11) Probably not the specific action but I think Sonya caused Quan Chi enough pain where his hold on the revenants close by was disrupted as Raiden's own powers affected the vicinity. Think of it like a reaction between Quan Chi's magic and Raiden's powers and Sonya's kick was the catalyst.
12) Well Mileena's not the best thinker so there's that. She probably thought Rain and Tanya and herself were enough to guard the amulet, especially if the Kuatan Jungle was a temporary hiding place (I don't think the Kuatan Jungle was her sole hiding spot). She was also affected every time she used it, she might've wanted some distance from the amulet, even if it might not be the safest or smartest place to put it. Then there's the possibility that Rain or Tanya told her to put it in a safe so that they could have a chance to steal it later.
13) Why wouldn't Rain want to betray Mileena? He knows he's a demigod. He's a prince. He obviously wants the power to himself. And as long as it's not Mileena, he probably doesn't care who he tells because of his arrogance. I think the point of showing that was that Mileena didn't have allies and that people were easily using her to get what they want. And it could be a potential storyline for the next game because Rain and Tanya (assuming Tanya's ending is not true) have a purpose of being in the next game.
14) Kotal Kahn trusted the amulet with D'Vorah. As someone who has served him for a long time, Kotal probably thought it'd be okay to leave it in a chest, knowing that D'Vorah had it under control. He was obviously more trusting of her even though we now know he shouldn't have been.
15) This is supposed to be the "plot twist" of the story. Something that we shouldn't have seen coming. I think we did get a big hint which was D'Vorah's bio. It said something along the lines saying that loyalty was something rare to her people. Knowing what she did in her ending too, she's probably out for her own agenda and will do everything possible to make sure that happens. So looking back, it makes total sense that she'd do that.
16) Shinnok probably wanted to brag about what he'll do with the corrupted Jinsei so he left Johnny alive for the time being. I mean, I would think there's a satisfaction to letting your foes see what you'd do when they cannot do anything to stop you.
17) Shinnok had a demon form in Mythologies. NRS probably wanted to bring that back for Shinnok since he was the big bad.
18) Kotal was pretty much himself that I saw from the comics up until Mileena's death. I definitely think part of it is his emotions on the whole ordeal that kinda took control of his more level headed thinking. I mean the biggest threat to Outworld is back in the form of the amulet. He already had a rough relationship with Raiden and seeing that Raiden failed to keep the amulet safe, Kotal was probably not having it at that point and wanted to use the opportunity to keep the Kombat Kids around to force Raiden into allowing Kotal to keep the amulet for safekeeping. But then D'Vorah betrayed him, the Kombat Kids escaped, and the amulet was missing. He probably got freaked with all that happening and then when he found out Shinnok was alive, he probably wanted to finish off the Kombat Kids out of desperation. With all that happening, even if his actions got out of control, there was one thing that still kept constant with Kotal: his concern for Outworld.
19) Shinnok probably thought it was time to kill Johnny at that point? Cassie has said often in story and in the comics that she didn't have Johnny's gift. Shinnok probably thought the same and didn't think that'd happen until it did.
20) From MK9 and Injustice, I think it was obvious that not everyone will get chapters unfortunately. I can only guess that there were only so much time and resources that they couldn't do more than 12 chapters. But hey, cross fingers with DLC.


*Jeezy Voice* Daaaaayuuum!
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06/15/2015 04:25 PM (UTC)
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When the fuck will NRS finally realize that not every MK fan is "rah rah Earthrealm" and wants the good guys to win all the damn time?

Team Kotal was miles more interesting than the Kombat Brats.


The only person who survived Deadly Alliance was Sub-Zero because he was busy getting mauled by Tarkatan in a forest.

You wanted Kotal to win what? His war against Mileena? He did. You wanted him to kill Shinnok too?
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Well, you all got your Tremor now. Can we finally move on?

06/15/2015 05:13 PM (UTC)
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The_TooCool_Master Wrote:


You wanted Kotal to win what? His war against Mileena? He did. You wanted him to kill Shinnok too?


I take it you missed the part where Kotal invaded Earthrealm at the end. Had he succeeded in defeating the Kombat Kidz and Sub-Zero, the story of MKX would've turned out very differently.
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06/15/2015 05:26 PM (UTC)
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frabn Wrote:
The_TooCool_Master Wrote:


You wanted Kotal to win what? His war against Mileena? He did. You wanted him to kill Shinnok too?


I take it you missed the part where Kotal invaded Earthrealm at the end. Had he succeeded in defeating the Kombat Kidz and Sub-Zero, the story of MKX would've turned out very differently.


Kotal invaded Earthrealm under false assumptions. There was to gain with the story at hand to have Kotal beat the special unit except for the end of all living things.
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Well, you all got your Tremor now. Can we finally move on?

06/15/2015 06:37 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, and it would have produced an interesting debacle.

"Shit...I really backed the wrong horse didn't I? I didn't appease this prick, just helped him win...and now Outworld is in danger anyway."

Kotal vs Shinnok, Outworld vs. Netherrealm.

Does Kotal beat Shinnok?
Does he save Earthrealm, or destroy it?
How does his relationship with Earthrealm pan out?
Reiko accords ignored - Shinnok accords in place?


Could've been interesting, and repaired his awful (lack of) character development.
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06/16/2015 03:04 AM (UTC)
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PaletteSwap40000 Wrote:
Story mode started off great, but in the end I thought it was a big disappointment. Here are a few questions it left me wondering:

-Where did Fujin go?
-How did Kenshi know it was Nightwolf coming out of that portal?
-Why is Johnny Cage's green glow a big deal all of a sudden?
-If Cassie was clearly born after Shinnok was defeated, making her no older than 20, how have she and Jacqui had so much combat experience together?
-Why were the Kombat Kids already a team when we first met them? It seems like they could have had more character differentiation if they started off from their respective factions.

-Why does Rain play a significant role in the story, yet Goro is on-disc DLC?
-How did Kano make it past the base, the vault, AND RAIDEN'S WARNINGS!?
-If Kung Jin thought that the Shaolin refused to accept gay people, and Raiden says they don't care, why did Kung Jin think this in the first place? Seems like a paradox.
-Why is Quan Chi such a pussy all of a sudden?
-What happens when you kill a revenant?
-When Johnny Cage is dying, his revenant form is seen emerging from a pool. Does this mean the revenants are different physical forms from their human souls? And how can this be the case when immediately afterward, we see revenant souls leaving the physical forms of Jax, Sub Zero, and Scorpion?
-Furthermore, how exactly does kicking Quan Chi in the balls turn Jax, Sub Zero, and Scorpion alive?

-Why does Mileena leave the amulet in a barely guarded chest? If I had a pocket sized key to winning a war, I'd probably just keep it on me.
-Why did Rain want to betray Mileena, why would he admit this to D'Vorah, and what was the point of any of this if Mileena gets killed five minutes later?
-Why does Kotal Kahn immediately make the same mistake as Mileena once he gets the amulet?
-Why did D'Vorah betray Kotal Kahn? I know Quan Chi says she's been serving Shinnok all these years, but in terms of story structure, this comes out of nowhere.

-Why didn't Shinnok immediately kill Johnny Cage after being released?
-Why is Corrupted Shinnok a thing?
-Why was Kotal Kahn so awesome in the comics and yet such a dickhead in story mode?
-Why didn't Shinnok just finish off Cassie instead of switching over to Johnny Cage and triggering the same green glow scenario again? He had her, she was done! Shinnok had 20 years stuck in an amulet to think about what he did wrong fighting Johnny, and then he does the same exact thing. I gotta call bullshit.

-Where are Erron Black, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, and Mileena's chapters?

In conclusion, NRS should hire me to help write MK11. I'll make it rain. And by make it rain, I mean make sure Rain is playable.






Almost everything is explained by either the comics or the story mode itself.


1) That was supposed to be a cameo. A larger role was intended for Fujin according to Dom Cianciolo's twitter account. After the first Shinnok defeat by Johnny Cage, Fujin embarked into a mission in order to investigate Quan Chi role in the blood demon/god subplot.

2) Kenshi already joined Sonya's team. She and Johnny had plenty of time to fill him in.

3) Because it was the first time the summoned a green aura around his body absorbing a fatal hit as it was a caress. He used the power to save Sonya, so Johnny left his selfish self behind and ultimately proved that he loved Sonya for real and not just a one night stand interest. It was also the proof that Johnny is the descendant of the mediterranean cult who breed warriors for the gods. It shows that Johnny has ancestral powers. In the Kung Jin/Raiden scene there is also a pic of Cage's ancestor.

4) they both served the special forces for years with missions in Kurdistan, Darfur and Afghanistan. Cassie's parents are both a-list fighters with either paranormal or technological advantages and YEARS of experience struggling against giant lizards, gods and ninjas from hell. The same goes for Jacqui with her tech gloves and a former undead father.

5) they are barely a team and work togheter since six weeks. The whole point of their sneaking mission into the lin kuei temple was to have them learn the hard way how team work actually works. In addition, both the comics and the story mode feature at least one flashback per character before entering cage's team. Only kung jin is missing in the comics, but eventually he will make it in due time.

6) this isn't story related. Nrs wanted to put Rain into the game, but didn't have the time to complete him. Or they wanted story cameos as DLCs since the beginning of the development. So, basically the reason is: $$$$$$
The same goes for Goro. Nrs didn't want him in the game, but they made preorder bonus for extra cash. He has a large role in the comics though.

7) by using a trap/device. It will be explained in the comics and Tremor's ending.

8) it's not a paradox. At first I thought that Mormons couldn't have per-marriage sex, it turns out they don't care as long you don't make it public and with women outside the community. I was wrong. The same goes for jin. He was mistaken.

9) with Shinnok's power he defeated Raiden using that beautiful skull+spine black magic spell. After Shinnok imprisonement Quan Chi was weaker, that's why he needed those infernal rams to move in the Netherrealm instead of teleporting. Shinnok was Quan Chi's source of power.

10) according to common sense revenants are undead, like intelligent zombies. So they cannot be killed or eventually they'd respawn somewhere else.
Why killing them, when Raiden's main goal is to rescue them?

11) because Jax, Scorpion and Sub-Zero's bodies were created BEFORE and off-screen that scene.

12) you didn't understand a thing of that scene. The revenats were reverted to normal by combining raiden's magic with quan chi's own. In order to break the link between quan chi and Johnny, Sonya had to have the former lose consciousness. A good kick down there is the best way to make your enemy faint.

13) she hid in the jungle and thought nobody could ever find her hideout.
Furthermore, Mileena says more than once that she hurts herself whenever she uses the Amulet.

14) Rain and Tanya both have their own agenda. They don't want to be subordinates any longer. They want power. Ensuring Mileena's victory, the weakest party involved in the war (compared to kotal, at least) is a necessary step in order to achieve power.

15) you can't keep the Amulet in your pocket all the time unless you are Shinnok

16) it is called "plot twist" for a reason. You are not supposed to see that coming.

17) to please his megalomaniac ego. The same reason he didn't kill raiden right on the spot. Both cage and raiden had to be witnesses of shinnok ultimate victory.

18) he absorbed the power of Earth, the jinsei, the crack of the gods.

19) again, shinnok has delusions of grandeur. He underestimated Cassie so, before beating her, he mocked the girl by trying to kill her father. Shinnok didn't expect Cassie to carry the same power as Johnny, he even made a statement about it.





You do realize some of these questions are meant to be rhetorical/ jokes/ or to show how illogical the story was right? When I say "how did Kano make it past Raiden's warnings" I'm not really asking that, I'm making fun of such a cheesy line.

Also, I think your defending certain aspects of the story that just don't deserve defending. To touch on the first few:
Fujin's story being cut is not a valid excuse for why he disappears for the rest of it.
I am making fun of the way that NRS seems to have forgotten Kenshi is blind.
Johnny has been able to use green energy abilities for basically the whole game's history. The fact that it's now this once in a lifetime occurance doesn't match the canon or the gameplay.
Cassie and Jacqui having so much combat experience is ridiculous, when we know Cassie is no older than 20. Their parents' experience is completely irrelevant.

I think you know where I am going with this but if you want me to go on tmw, let me know.
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06/16/2015 04:13 AM (UTC)
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SwingBatta Wrote:
When the fuck will NRS finally realize that not every MK fan is "rah rah Earthrealm" and wants the good guys to win all the damn time?

Team Kotal was miles more interesting than the Kombat Brats.



Didn't the bad guys win in MK Deadly Alliance
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06/16/2015 04:24 AM (UTC)
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Jenafella56 Wrote:
SwingBatta Wrote:
When the fuck will NRS finally realize that not every MK fan is "rah rah Earthrealm" and wants the good guys to win all the damn time?

Team Kotal was miles more interesting than the Kombat Brats.



Didn't the bad guys win in MK Deadly Alliance


And Armageddon. Shao Kahn kinda won in MK9 in a not really way. The last time there was a human champion was Shujinko, and before that Liu.
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06/16/2015 04:45 AM (UTC)
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Killamore Wrote:
Jenafella56 Wrote:
SwingBatta Wrote:
When the fuck will NRS finally realize that not every MK fan is "rah rah Earthrealm" and wants the good guys to win all the damn time?

Team Kotal was miles more interesting than the Kombat Brats.



Didn't the bad guys win in MK Deadly Alliance


And Armageddon. Shao Kahn kinda won in MK9 in a not really way. The last time there was a human champion was Shujinko, and before that Liu.
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06/22/2015 10:39 AM (UTC)
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MK176 Wrote:
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Cyber Sub-Zero explanation, anyone?

Sub-Zero reverted back to his human form by Quan Chi's magic, it's actually shown in the comics.


Such a major plot point from the previous instalment should not be explained away in side-media. I mean, i can sort of guess how it happens considering what happened to Cage in MKX but it needs to be shown for clarity. Exposition isn't all dialogue.
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