30 Spots arent even enough?
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posted01/26/2015 04:14 PM (UTC)by
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Some people think that the roster will be just 24 characters, others that it will be like MK9... with the flow of characters "semi-confirmations" and seeing how the story is progressing, I'm honestly beginning to think that the story will end up featuring even more playable characters. Here is why:

- We already have 12 confirmed characters (11 if you count Goro as DLC).

- We have a lot of characters that while not confirmed, have a foot and a half here already: Takeda (a lot of focus in the comic), Mileena and Shang Tsung (Gamespot supposed leak?), the guys from the web series casting and even the recent mister Black (you don't put that much personallity and details on a character that is going to die in the comic). Fujin seems to have taken some sort of advisor position for Raiden. Ermac has been hinted at a lot plus he now has a huge lot of story potential with the Jerrod thing. Oh, and "bowman" too I guess.

- For the first story arc (when the next generation of young fighters can't be here to fight), you need bodies in the side of earhrealm, which means that at least Raiden, Johnny, Sonya and possibly Kenshi (who is supposed to be part of the events that allows Hanzo to take control over his rage), if not even more characters as Raiden plus 3 guys doesn't seem to be enough to resist an invasion (Raiden's non canon ending talked about 4 selected warriors).

- The forces of netherealm need bodies to present a threat for the first story arc. Right now they have Quan Chi and 3 revenants from the Sindel massacre: Sub-Zero, Kitana and Kung Lao. But that's far from enough to be a threat (and it could be said that's all Quan Chi as the other 3 are under his control and the leader is supposed to be Shinnokh). You could add Scorpion to the picture too (also under Quan Chi's control) and Noob is at least referenced by Quan Chi to mock Sub-Zero about how easily succumbed his brother and in a different dialogue about still having his soul (which means if he's in it's another Quan Chi minion instead of loyal to Shinnokh).

I think we would have to see some characters from the Shadow Brotherhood, either old (Reiko, Sareena, Ashrah) or new to have a real sense of threat from the netherealm, and we could end up with even more playable revenants than just those 3 guys.

Even if MK4 originally didn't have many characters supporting the netherealm (Reiko, Tanya, Quan Chi and Shinnokh and Reptile who I think will be in Outworld this time), with the new format of telling the story, you need more characters to provide some fights for each chapter.

- If the story is going to touch the outworld civil war story arc (and it has been mentioned to cover Kotal's rise and fall), we need playable characters on his side (this could be covered with Kotal himself, Ferra/Torr, D'Vorah, Reptile and the unconfirmed mister Black) but also opponents for their story mode fights, which means Mileena needs some allies, either from Outworld or even linking this story with the netherealm invasion (they could send Reiko there as they would prefer Mileena as their ally and manipulate her, maybe Reiko ends up playing his own game).

Maybe some netherealm characters and revenants allied with Mileena could be the opponents for Kotal Kahn's forces during their story arc (though this was is supposed to happen after Quan Chi loses control of the revenants).

- Those 2 arcs are only the first phases of the story and from earthrealm you haven't even added the next generation of fighters yet!! Granted that from this point a lot of characters from the other 2 arcs can be used again on different conflicts, but story developement will need even more threats for them to face after the dust from the netherealm invasion and the outworld civil war is settled.

- There are also some stories that we don't know if will be just in the comic or we will see for ourselves. For example, if Sub-Zero is going to become grandmaster of the Lin Kuei DURING the game rather than the comic, you then need at least Cyrax and Sektor to fight him or he will just walk in and smash NPCs.

Kitana and more edenian characters (Jerrod/Ermac, Sindel, Tanya...) could be featured in some story arc trying to bring back Edenia.

I'm not even talking about background characters, I'm talking about the need of characters to play as and to be fought given the kind of story that they want to tell, added to the roster that we already have.

I'm starting to feel like 30 characters aren't even enough to tell that story, so my hopes for enough character spots for personal favorites being compatible with other people's favorites are skyrocketing right now.

And I didn't even mention the Red Dragon that is supposed to be allied with both netherealm and Mileena.
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01/26/2015 01:58 AM (UTC)
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goro should count as DLC

and are we sure MKX will go into the story before the comic? i thought the game was after the comic, has it been confirmed to be parts of the 25 year gap too?
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01/26/2015 01:59 AM (UTC)
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It's a possibility, and I agree with a lot of your points, but let me point out a few things:

"...the guys from the web series casting and even the recent mister Black (you don't put that much personallity and details on a character that is going to die in the comic). Fujin seems to have taken some sort of advisor position for Raiden. Ermac has been hinted at a lot plus he now has a huge lot of story potential with the Jerrod thing. Oh, and "bowman" too I guess."

Shawn Kittelsen said not everybody who appears in the comic will necessarily appear in the game. Furthermore, there will be tons of story cameos, so even if Fujin has a big role to play, it doesn't mean he'll be on the roster. Same applies to the casting call guys.

"I think we would have to see some characters from the Shadow Brotherhood, either old (Reiko, Sareena, Ashrah) or new to have a real sense of threat from the netherealm, and we could end up with even more playable revenants than just those 3 guys."

I think the revenants will be the Brotherhood of Shadow in this timeline. They're probably gonna retcon most of the members we already know about, except obviously Shinnok, Quan Chi, Noob and possibly Reiko (I say possibly, because he could easily be retconned into just being Shao's general and having no affiliation with the Netherrealm).

"There are also some stories that we don't know if will be just in the comic or we will see for ourselves. For example, if Sub-Zero is going to become grandmaster of the Lin Kuei DURING the game rather than the comic, you then need at least Cyrax and Sektor to fight him or he will just walk in and smash NPCs."

See, I can see stuff like this happening.


"Kitana and more edenian characters (Jerrod/Ermac, Sindel, Tanya...) could be featured in some story arc trying to bring back Edenia."

I don't think the story is gonna get into that. Seems like too much. Netherrealm War, Outworld Civil War and "new threat" for generation X seems like enough.
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01/26/2015 02:00 AM (UTC)
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MKX requires atleast about 47 spots because of all the vets in this series.
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01/26/2015 02:04 AM (UTC)
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It will ship with 30-32 characters most likely, IMO.
Boon said in some interviews (here, here and here) that the size of the roster is about 30 characters, So I think there'll be 28-32.
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01/26/2015 02:14 AM (UTC)
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JINNOCIDE Wrote:
Boon said in some interviews that the size of the roster is about 30 characters, So I think there'll be 28-32.


Yup.

Perhaps as many as 33 or 34 including unlockable characters(like Quan Chi and Cyber Sub-Zero in MK9) but definitely no less than 28.

I'm fairly confident that with DLC included we will hit at least 35 characters, probably closer to 40.
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Lord_Greyjoy
01/26/2015 02:17 AM (UTC)
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You guys are gonna derail this thread, lol.
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Blade4693
01/26/2015 02:21 AM (UTC)
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Not sure how many we will be getting.

For the sake of simplicity I am just assuming the roster will only be as big as the one we have seen at demos and conventions, and a few (At least 2 to 4) DLC characters.

Which I would be fine with.
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01/26/2015 02:21 AM (UTC)
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11 + Goro

Possible Next-gen MKX comic characters:
12. Takeda
13. Jacqui
14. Erron Black (Salazar?)

Possible leaked characters:
15. Kung Jin
16. Ron Tan Cho
17. Bo Rai Cho

Rumored:
18. Mileena
19. Shang Tsung

Thats only 19. We have roughly 11 more unknown slots. That's plenty of room for more MK9 returnees like Reptile, and 3D characters like Shinnok, Fujin, Tanya and Havik (now I'm at 24).

30 is still enough spots, to me.
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01/26/2015 02:27 AM (UTC)
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30 Spots is a Healthy Roster size for the Initial Characters. But i would like to think the overall Roster size is would be about 34-36 Total! And that's a healthy roster
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01/26/2015 02:28 AM (UTC)
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Taking the variations into account, I'm wondering if we'll see 24 characters shipped, and 6 DLC. Obviously hoping for a few more shipped, just seems like balancing this game will be a bitch.
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01/26/2015 02:35 AM (UTC)
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jdnice11 Wrote:
30 Spots is a Healthy Roster size for the Initial Characters. But i would like to think the overall Roster size is would be about 34-36 Total! And that's a healthy roster


Correct.

The real question here is whether the older relatives will be included in the initial roster next to their descendants. If Kung Jin is real and playable, then the answer is yes. If not, then that opens up the initial roster for several surprises (Like a Sheeva or Li Mei or even more next-gen characters).
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01/26/2015 02:44 AM (UTC)
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I'm hoping for a roster that's a bit more expansive and inclusive, but I'm not getting my hopes up for anything more than 24 characters. That's what we've seen in the demos, that the concrete number that we know of...that's all I'm expecting. Anything more will be a welcome surprise!
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01/26/2015 03:13 AM (UTC)
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Lord_Greyjoy Wrote:
It's a possibility, and I agree with a lot of your points, but let me point out a few things:

"...the guys from the web series casting and even the recent mister Black (you don't put that much personallity and details on a character that is going to die in the comic). Fujin seems to have taken some sort of advisor position for Raiden. Ermac has been hinted at a lot plus he now has a huge lot of story potential with the Jerrod thing. Oh, and "bowman" too I guess."

Shawn Kittelsen said not everybody who appears in the comic will necessarily appear in the game. Furthermore, there will be tons of story cameos, so even if Fujin has a big role to play, it doesn't mean he'll be on the roster. Same applies to the casting call guys.

"I think we would have to see some characters from the Shadow Brotherhood, either old (Reiko, Sareena, Ashrah) or new to have a real sense of threat from the netherealm, and we could end up with even more playable revenants than just those 3 guys."

I think the revenants will be the Brotherhood of Shadow in this timeline. They're probably gonna retcon most of the members we already know about, except obviously Shinnok, Quan Chi, Noob and possibly Reiko (I say possibly, because he could easily be retconned into just being Shao's general and having no affiliation with the Netherrealm).

"There are also some stories that we don't know if will be just in the comic or we will see for ourselves. For example, if Sub-Zero is going to become grandmaster of the Lin Kuei DURING the game rather than the comic, you then need at least Cyrax and Sektor to fight him or he will just walk in and smash NPCs."

See, I can see stuff like this happening.


"Kitana and more edenian characters (Jerrod/Ermac, Sindel, Tanya...) could be featured in some story arc trying to bring back Edenia."

I don't think the story is gonna get into that. Seems like too much. Netherrealm War, Outworld Civil War and "new threat" for generation X seems like enough.


I think when kittelson was referring to people In the comic won't be in the game, he was referring to characters like hsu hao and frost. People who make minor apperances and get killed off quickly. Not people who are huge to the story.
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01/26/2015 03:17 AM (UTC)
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What Dervis said. All of it.
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01/26/2015 03:18 AM (UTC)
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squirt007nc Wrote:
I think when kittelson was referring to people In the comic won't be in the game, he was referring to characters like hsu hao and frost. People who make minor apperances and get killed off quickly. Not people who are huge to the story.

Well, you can infer whatever you want. I'm guessing he meant it on a broader scale, because there's too many characters getting a spotlight in the comic - including the big ones - for them to all be on the roster.
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01/26/2015 04:35 AM (UTC)
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squirt007nc Wrote:
I think when kittelson was referring to people In the comic won't be in the game, he was referring to characters like hsu hao and frost. People who make minor apperances and get killed off quickly. Not people who are huge to the story.


We don't get know who is huge to the story and who isn't. Everyone is assuming because Erron Black has detail that he will be in the game. He said nothing, did nothing and it's stated that Kotal Kahn loses someone close to him. D'Vorah is confirmed to be in the game and unless they introduce another ally to Kotal in the next comic, it's likely that Erron gets offed. I have no idea why this guy is so popular already. Is everyone on this forum a closeted spaghetti western fan?
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01/26/2015 09:42 AM (UTC)
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Boring Rooster that will probably happen:
1: Scorpion
2: Sub-Zero
3: D'vorah
4: Ferra/Torr
5: Kotal Kahn
6: Cassie Cage
7: Raiden
8: Kano
9: Quan Chi
10: Kung Lao
11: Kitana
12: Kung Jin
13: Takada (cheap clone of Kenshi)
14: Johnny Cage
15: Bo Rai Cho
16: Jax
17: Jax Daughter/Cousin (sorry forgot name)
18: Sonya Blade
19: Mileena
20: Shang Tsung
21: Underground Crime Boss brother of Bo Rai Cho
22: Kenshi
23: Erron Black/Salazar
24: New Ninja or Special Forces character
25: Reptile or Liu Kang
26: Goro as Extra


Awesome Rooster that will be forever a dream, but which never come true.

1: Scorpion
2: Sub-Zero
3: D'vorah
4: Ferra/Torr
5: Kotal Kahn
6: Cassie Cage
7: Raiden
8: Kano
9: Quan Chi
10: Kung Lao
11: Kitana
12: Kenshi
13: Mileena
14: Sektor (merged with Cyrax because in my opinion one cyborg is enough)
15: Erron Black/Salazar (with bow weapon among others)
16: Underground Crime Boss (Bo Rai Cho brother, not fat)
17: Reiko
18: Rain (non ninja)
19: Fujin
20: Takada with whip
21: Reptile (non human)
22: Tanya
23: Jax Daughter/Cousin
24: Havik
25: Tremor
26: Goro as Extra

DLC 1: Jade
DLC 2: Baraka
DLC 3: Shang Tsung
DLC 4: Smoke and Noob Saibot
DLC 5: Ermac
DLC 6: Kabal
DLC 7: Nightwolf revised
DLC 8: Skarlet or Kira
DLC 9: Frost
DLC 10: New Vampire or Nitara
DLC 11: The whatever package, Sonya, Jax, Johnny and Liu Kang.

Most notable death in the history of storymode: Shinnok.
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01/26/2015 10:47 AM (UTC)
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28-30 tops, imo. Anything above sounds like wishful thinking honestly. Some fan favourites are gong to be left out, that's a fact.
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01/26/2015 12:13 PM (UTC)
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Lord_Greyjoy Wrote:
squirt007nc Wrote:
I think when kittelson was referring to people In the comic won't be in the game, he was referring to characters like hsu hao and frost. People who make minor apperances and get killed off quickly. Not people who are huge to the story.

Well, you can infer whatever you want. I'm guessing he meant it on a broader scale, because there's too many characters getting a spotlight in the comic - including the big ones - for them to all be on the roster.


Let's see. So far raiden, scorpion, Cassie, kotal, Fujin, takeda, jaqui, sonya, Kano, kenshi. Half of these characters are already in. Who else is getting a spotlight? I dont count someone like erron black.
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01/26/2015 04:14 PM (UTC)
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Ok, I have to say this, even if I'll get bashed for it.

It's time for the new generation and the old guys shouldn't be in the same game as their kids. The cameos in MK9 should really mean something (Havik, Reiko, Daegon, Tanya, Sareena, Frost).

For MKX, I can see:

From Earthrealm:

1. Cassie Cage
2. Jaqui Briggs
3. Takeda
4. Kung Jin ? (maybe he dies :D )
5. Ron Tan Cho (if it's not supposed to be a pseudonim for Daegon- "his goons attacked by D'vorah"?)
6. Liu Kang- evil
7. Kung Lao - coming from seclusion to stop Liu Kang
8. Sektor
9. Scorpion
10. Sub-Zero (Bi Han)
11. Smoke
12. Frost
13. Kano
14. Kira- Kano's girl this time
15. Nightwolf's child- boy or girl

Outworld and conquered realms:

1. Kotal Kahn
2. D'vorah
3. Ferra/Torr
4. Erron Black
5. Reptile
6. Mileena
7. Reiko
8. Goro

Edenia:

1. Kitana
2. Ermac
3. Daegon
4. Tanya
5. Rain/ Taven- Boon is making a last minute poll whether the most heavily requested character they didn't even want should be in the game. One of the brothers should do great in the story

Netherealm:

1. Quan Chi
2. Noob Saibot (Kuai Liang because of the cursed dagger)
3. Sareena

Gods and sorcerers:

1. Raiden
2. Fujin
3. Shang Tsung/ Shinnok- the first one if good this time, to stop Liu Kang or the second one if they make him powerful and undefeatable, not like in MK4

DLC surprise boss:

Havik- Forrest Fox skull like face, "Earth and Outworld are falling into chaos"
That's a total of 35, maybe 36 with another newcomer. I say it's doable.

Maybe it's blasphemy, but I think Johnny, Sonya, Jax and Kenshi should sit this one out. How many heroes should we get after all?

Just my 2 cents

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