I didn't read the entire conversation. I've dropped in and out. The thoughlines that I saw were "oh no, tits!" and "that's not regal".

I like Kunimitsu as well which only makes it more annoying they ignore her.
Oh yeah Hilde ..I Can't wait till the Soul Calibur team never include Hilde and focus on making Ivy and Taki's boobs even bigger as it seems to be their chief concern when it comes to female characters.

Back to Mortal Kombat though yes it would be nice for a character to look like that but will it happen? Doesn't seem likely. And the closest you got was Ashrah or Li Mei (Which is funny because the worst we had was Li Mei's alternate in Deadly Alliance) in Deception and even then they had somethin sexy/revealing.

I feel like they've always been doing this when it came to designing costumes themselves. Not getting the point about MK2 Kitana being respectable though because those are actors. I mean wasn't Sheeva a figurine/model? And look what they gave her..A bathing suit less modest than the Female Ninja Template.

That's just my opinion though.

Sonya's never struck me as being particularly modest, quiet, understated, whatever you want to call it, having a lot of dignity and class...all words I think of when I think "Kitana's personality".
She's more of a tomboy, the usual pants and a tanktop she gets do make sense for her in my mind (provided they're actual camo or some sort of military looking pants and they're not pulling that nonsense aerobics instructor shit from MK1 and 3 anymore) and I don't think she's the type to give a damn if others think she's showing too much skin.

Kitana looks ok. As someone said Kitana has pretty much always been busty. Its either clevage or bare mid rift though not both. Silly Netherrealm.

My real citicism lies with the fact as much as this is a bit too revealing this is still Kitana's best costume since going 3D.

Kitana has been the one to get the "updated" versions of the old gear as far as the lady ninjas go. This wouldn't be too bad if they put the same amount as detail into it as they do with Sub, Scorp, Even Ermac for crying out loud! But they don't. For some reason its ok for Sub Zero to have a roman mosaic on his gear but for Kitana... nope nothing.

Well, by it's very nature, a throughline is detectable to some extent at all points. Tits & Regal, relating to the established character of Kitana, is directly related by virtue of the fact that fighting games deal in vivid strokes, and having a fully embellished design based on character traits ensures well considered diversity.

I can see how you'd be distracted, though, what with all the whining about folks with half a brain having a problem with Madam Tits-a-lot, and the cross-eyed fawning for colour swapped bathing suits. The bit where the guy acted like the Japanese don't disregard DOA's female fashion sense was pretty wacky, too. What a drag!

People on this forum are indeed... intense. And it is either side of the spectrum, hating or loving the various aspects of this upcoming title. I'm a fan of Jade and of course I hope she will appear in this Mortal Kombat, however, if she doesn't then yes, I will be disappointed, but I will still buy this game and play it, because there are many other aspects of it that I believe I would enjoy. So what if the female characters dress rather skimpy and sexy? They have more or less always done so in Mortal Kombat, and I really don't think that will change. So yeah, you might be disappointed about it, but there's no reason to sit and mope in a corner, being all bitchy about it... what would you gain from that? You'd just appear as a sour apple to everyone else.

I am not telling those raging fanboys and girls to simply change their opinions and suddenly love what they have spend so many posts on telling everyone else they hate about this game - Try and get over it and move on. If you are so enraged by the changes, then simply don't buy it. It's your money and your choice.

THE RAGE!!!

... Sorry, couldn't resist. ;3

If you like it, why don't you just buy it and enjoy it and stop posting?

Seriously... :-|

i really dont understand why everyone seems so upset about her look. Personally i think she looks great even if the way shes dressed is a bit skimpy. Its really not that hard to look past. Maybe thats just because im the kind of person to focus more on the face of a character design but still.

Great counter answer. Truly. ;P

"Everyone" isn't, most people are defending this look. Why do people see a couple of dissatisfied people and automatically deduct that "everyone is upset"? That's not the case at all.

Please check my reply on page 9 people and give me a serious answer. It's a good point I think, and I even posted images!

Woooooow......THIS POST IS NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR SO PLEASE DON'T BITE MY HEAD OFF!

Even with that costume, I still think Kitana's render is amazing. I sincerely love it (and I love the gold colored fan-made even more). And quite honestly, the "boob" arguments were just plain ridiculous and silly. Sonya's boobs in MKvsDC are five times that size! Nobody seemed to care about that back then. WTF?

The biggest problem here is the fact that some people just want to see some stuff for Kitana (costume and personality wise) that she's actually never even had or that has never even been implied about her in the games, because that's how the team has always viewed her.

Therefore, this "belly-dancer" image (or "Princess-assassin", "lady in distress", whatever you want to call it) is upsetting to those fans, but in fact, it has been the "Kitana image" that has been present since the start. There was soooo much uproar from some fans regarding her "Princess" or "lady in distress" portrayal in MKSM, MKDA, and MKvsDC as if that hasn't been the way Kitana's been perceived by other fans and the MK team in general. Really. This constant "MK2 Kitana vs ALL other MK Kitana's" argument/thing has buried itself inside its own grave.

I still say this "new" costume is uninspired and lame because it is so much of a "copy/paste" from Jade and Mileena (and maybe even others), but, not because it shows "too much skin".

This "Belly-dancer" look SUITS Kitana really well, but my problem is that the costume is far from being unique or original. That's it. But this "sex-slave" look is not really unpredictable for Kitana.

Sure, it doesn't really suit Kitana to be more naked than Mileena, however, it's not like Kitana ever wore that much before. Really. Plus, Kitana looks nice! It's not like she looks ugly or weak or like a reptile, she looks nice!

Again, the "belly-dancer" theme suits her, but the problem is the uninspired costume. That's it. Yeah, it shows a little too much skin, but I honestly don't care or wouldn't care if this was an interesting/awesome design.

I have nothing against the way she is being portrayed because this is the image we'd had of her for a long time, and she actually seems a little tougher than she has been portrayed in recent games, so that's an improvement.




And still, you conveniently (again) refuse to accept that Sonya is deemed as the most "decent/classy/respectable" looking female of all the ones that have been in the entire series.

Crow, whether you like it or not, there is a perfectly good reason why Sonya is always referred to as the "most respectable" of the female cast, unlike the rest. Sure, you have some who will disagree about this with their own good reasons, but it's a no-brainer, or it's not out of craziness and randomness that MK followers easily connect Sonya with the words "modest", "decent" and "well dressed", even when she has a thong or a belly piercing on the side.

This is like the time you were praising/giving examples about Ashrah being the "only" one who's ever been covered up, and yet again, you conveniently forgot to mention Sonya's MKDA alt, which covers just as much or more.

Anyway, wherever you got your logic that Kitana "should be the most respectable looking of the bunch" is simply a very biased one based on what you desire or what you want to see happen, at least for once in one game.

All of Sonya's costumes, Ashrah's primary in MKD, Li Mei's primary in MKDA, and even both of Kira's outfits are far, FAR more "unique, decent, modest, respectable, and better looking" than absolutely anything Kitana has EVER had in any game.

And with that said, I hope you know that I meant no disrespect to you.



Well said.

Funny thing is that even as a tough tomboy type of female, she is still strikes more "modest" and "decent" than the rest of the female cast (with frozen nipples and thongs included!, lol).

EDIT: I would like to add that, for the record, I am NOT against females dressing the way they do in MK or most fighting games, and I do NOT consider them "sluts, whores, tramps, or trashy". I think those words are waaaay too much and exaggerated.

While it is true that it was a big disappointment to see Li Mei almost naked after such beautiful primary costume in MKDA, it doesn't mean I think she looks like a slut. However, it doesn't mean I approve either. On contrast, I do approve of a female like Nitara, for example. Get my point? I am not against sexy or half naked outfits, but I do think that sometimes they just don't work on some characters. At the same time, I don't think that these females should be called "sluts" or "whores" because that's just not right.

Sorry by everyone I meant everyone that is upset and lookin back i see how it seems like i meant majority of all players but i didnt. I went back and read ur post and i personally am not mindlessly praising it i just actually like the costume for the costume and not just because its an mk character. I also understand your point of not wanting all girl characters dressing the same because truthfully they do with just different colors but it doesnt change the fact that in my opinion this costume looks good. you have your opinion and others have theirs. It just happens that they went with one and not the other but hopefully maybe a new character that is better dressed can be introduced who also has a personality fitting such a costume.

Oh queve, I missed you and your long-ass posts.

Factually false. The rest is... good grief!

Here, I'll answer you Crow. You make good points, but I see a few flaws.

For starter, I too keep my mind open and I've stayed objective. I would never disparage the giving of feedback to the MK team for their decisions and designs.

But I disagree that any praise that I and others have given Kitana's newest looks is "mindless praise". I've thoroughly documented my reasons for liking her look, finding it to be an elegant design that adheres to luxurious fantasy, the depiction of exotic royalty in other mediums of fiction, and with strong elements of her prior designs. That is not mindless praise. I and others legitimately believe she's the most beautiful she's been in ages. As I've shown in earlier posts, they've actually made her breasts SMALLER, her proportions are far more realistic (her shoulders are far less wide and thick), her eyes no longer look dead and dull but spirited and fierce, her body language in her intros and during gameplay is far more aggressive and confident, and her sexual appeal no more prominent than that of her twin, her best friend, or her own mother... and sexuality is NOT even a bad thing.

And I'd love to agree with you, Crow, that character designs aren't silly... but MK has had a very BIG history of "silly" designs, but I would never say that character designs "are the most important thing in the game". A character's behavior is far more important than her appearance, and Kitana's looking sharp and sublime personality and story-wise. Considering the rumors that the team is putting in over 3 hours of cutscenes, I think you have little fear of them regressing Kitana or anyone else into blank, empty sex objects.

I had no intention of inferring that all criticisms of this game are mundane or silly. Nobody has been a more vocally disappointed fan about MK's prior directions than I have been. I'm the same person that complained heavily for the inclusion of bios in Armageddon. I decried the lack of unique fatalities as well. I've pushed for stronger storytelling and for overlooked characters such as Nitara, Ashrah, Sareena, Kenshi, Fujin, Kai, and Mavado to have more prominent stories and integration into the MK mythos. And you could have me ranting for hours about how MK vs DC was an abominable idea. I'm the same person that hated the design of Kitana in that game so much I redid her myself in photoshop and posted my improvements on the forum.

So don't think I don't understand where you're coming from concerning your opinions for Kitana. But, at the same time, I fail to see how Kitana has EVER been "conservative" or "modest" or "respectable". She's always worn skin-tight outfits with a lot of flesh on display. This new outfit is actually the most flowery, flowing, draping costume she's ever had, and as I've mentioned before I believe it to be a perfect synthesis of her roles as princess and assassin. She is MK's Femme Fatale, our prickly rose and fearsome lioness.

... and I would like to reiterate that MK has PLENTY of "conservative" females in the game. Sonya's second outfit in MK:DA is head-to-toe covered in military regalia. Ashrah practically suffocates under the amount of clothes and robes she wears. Li Mei's Deception look has her in full-body armor. Frost's initial outfit only had her arms uncovered.

It would be foolish to think Kitana would not have an alternate costume, one that leans towards the other end of the clothing spectrum. This ONE look is not her only look. The team has always been very good about giving us alternatives (sans MK vs DC), and I don't see them stopping this trend, especially when they've confirmed alternative costumes are going to be in this installment.

But in the long run, even if everyone DID hate her new look, instead of the vocal minority, if her personality and story are strong enough to elevate her through the game then she succeeds as a character. Sareena is, in my opinion, the most well-written and most interesting character in the MK franchise at the moment, despite the fact I feel she has one of the least impressive costume designs. Similarly, Stryker I feel suffered from poor design and a poor story, and yet in gameplay he was one of the better characters. Kitana's navel is such an infinitesimal part of the overall package, both to her as a character and to the whole direction of MK, that I do feel that some of the outrageous claims that that it is proof that the next MK game is lazy, that MK has no strong, fully-clothed women, are vastly overstated and exaggerated.

Kitana will have an alternate. She has had more than a half-dozen strongly divergent looks in the pass, from ruthless to regal, from skin-tight to lose and flowing, from breastacular to asstastic, from iconic to forgettable, and from naughty to nice. So, to follow Crow's own advice, I'm being open minded. I have only seen the renders and her in motion and I've had no objections, certainly none remotely approaching my wrath-filled rants against Sonya's balloon boobs, hard nipples, and exposed thong.

So, in conclusion, I'm keeping an open mind too. I'm sorry Kitana's new look is "too different" or "too out of character" or "too sexy" or "too... blue" for some people. Do I think her looks is flawless? Well, no. I think the hair could use a little work (especially during gameplay) and I'm not totally in love with her flower patterns. But as a professional artist myself, I believe this to be a strong design for her. Good modeling skills. Superb texture work. Good eye-flow. Expressive designs and facial features. Elegant accessories. Aesthetically pleasing balance of skin, cloth, pattern, trimmings, flowing hair, and her iconic weapons. Kitana has all the traits I've loved about her from all her past appearances. I have no big complaints at all.

Sorry, but I can't help but giggling when I see a post like this. It's bitching for the sake of bitching... Please try and explain yourself instead of just disagreeing, then your arguement against it will seem more trustworthy.

However, I do agree with you that it is indeed false. Kitana in MK2-MKG never struck me as the lady in distress, but rather a strong woman who wanted to retake her rightful empire and free her people from Shao Kahn's tyranny. Her outfit through these games were variations of her Outworld Assassin attire which are a blue leotard with gloves and boots.

In MKDA she began to be more princess-like. She became more girly, so to speak, and slowly started to lose her girl-power (sorry for using that word, but I think it defines it the best :P ). That was when the whole damsel-in-distress theme started to evoke in her character, because now she suddenly had something to lose. She could lose her mother again, she could lose her freed empire and she could lose her throne all-together. She experienced losses and even died herself, only to be ressurected and enslaved by Onaga - and THAT is when she really took on the role of being a princess for the hero to come and save.

That is why I dislike this outfit for Kitana. Not because it is oversexualized or because she steals elements from other characters in the previous games, but because it doesn't represent her character from that time-period well enough! She is a hardcore assassin who wants to free Edenia, not the damsel in distress.

However, I must say, the outfit is growing on me and she indeed looks gorgous. It's just not something I think she would wear -yet-.

... We've been over it ad nauseum! The whole thread is full of explanations!
As is evidenced by the present predicament, they don't seem to be sinking in! Maybe after the next twenty years of MK things will come around.

Then perhaps make a reference, because queve might have missed it. None the less, your post was quite unnecessary and didn't really add anything to the whole discussion besides being a "sour apple".

Or you could just keep it up and give me something to laugh at. ^^

Now... this post? Definitely not adding much to the conversation...

(EDIT: Maybe if I post a picture of Kitana, noone will notice!)



EDIT AGAIN: Speaking of unnecessary updates you can find for yourself by actually reading the thread; WarriorPrincess posted her own idea that's now got it's own thread you can vote-down in the FanSub forum. Very cathartic for any of the folks who just can't bare to see a character without a face mask, or those outraged by the wild inconsistency of not dressing her like an Arabian harem girl. 'Cause that's how she's always been characterized, shyeah.

I agreed with you, but I also put an explanation behind it.

And also, in that picture you can already recognize some more girly features to her overall appearance, such as her hair for instance. Funnily enough, though she does seem to have some rather large breasts and a cleavage, they are still somewhat covered up with the "fishnet" clothing along with her legs. Her first more decent outfit and one of the better looks for her in my opinion.

In a world where princesses apparently only have modified swimwear to choose from, I agree. It's obviously more modest, regardless of the physique beneath it. I liked the purple. I just know we'll be the best of friends! Gosh! ^-^

You're so cute. -pats-

But yeah... I remember when raging fans were furious about Kitana's outfit was PURPLE!!! And not BLUE!!! The world was coming to an end!

Aaahhh, yes.... good times...

i think havin girls tryna be "sexy" in a game dumb. like okay thats pretty cool boobs. like instead of tryna make the girls like that they should just make everyone look badass

This is it... right here.... this post just won the thread.

Real or Fake?



That is seriously a kick-as$ render pose. I love it! And she looks very pretty.



The details/designs on her cloth are superb. I love the quality.

As unoriginal as the costume is, I still say this look is a big big improvement over her MKvsDC ugly one:



Does this work?