I know he wasn't in MK1.

Matt

Smoke isn't in MK 1 and I wouldn't believe or say that the story on an action figure is the correct story. Smoke, Noob and Jade were not in MK 1 and I doubt it if they were even intended.

they just did that addition in MK2 to fool with us. They also have "Kano Morphs" or something in the arcade audits.

I'd like to point out that of the three hidden characters of MK2, the only one who showed up in MK1 was Noob Saibot.

Yeah, but it's not like they had Noob's MKD ending in mind the whole time or something.

I heard that Jade was originally born from the green Sonya palette glitch on the Genesis MK1

Yep Jade was in MK1 for sure but she was just a glitch on the Genesis version, but that was one of my favorite glitches.

There is no way that Noob is in MK1. I've hacked the binaries and there is no mention of him anywhere on any home version or arcade.

MK2 has a complete section for Ermac, including win text when I hacked the binary. Arcade only, this section of code is not in the home versions. Ermac is definitely in MK2 and eventually I am going to figure out how.

It's amazing how MK2 has some hidden things we've never found, like the Fergality in the DOS version. I'd like to see that be found too.

Interesting fact: MK2 on the arcade has a partial section for Tanya, but it looks like she was canned before the game was finished.

Noob Saibot isn't in MK 1. SubZero is. As it turns out Noob Saibot and SubZero are one in the same, but Noob Saibot, the name, the look, the story did not appear in the MK universe until MK2 and after.

SubZero is in MK 1. Noob Saibot isn't. Sounds to me like you need to read that MK D ending more carefully.

Tanya in mk2?? omfg... i heard that stryker in jax body was supposed to be in mk1.. but that is reduciolus Edit: BTW i looked into mk2 for snes files (version: BETA & US) And this is what i found: MK 2 Beta (these are probably secrets talking..) Smoke: I AM CALLED SMOKE, TOASTY, YOU CAN START FINDING ME, ERMAC WHO?, YOU CAN NOT DEFEAT ME, I AM ONE OF THREE, PORTAL, I WILL MEET YOU IN GORO'S LAIR, MORTAL KOMBAT ONE, PROVE YOURSELF, Jade: I AM CALLED JADE, BEFORE THE ?, ERMAC WHO?, I WILL MEET YOU IN GORO'S LAIR, CHUN WHO?,

You can hack the home versions of MK2 all you want with a hex editor but you won't find anything we don't already know about.

However, open the arcade version binaries and it will prove there is more in the game to find.

Tanya mentioned in the MK2 sourcecode is a very interesting find.

"However, open the arcade version binaries and it will prove there is more in the game to find."


you proved nothing with that,and there's nothing else to find in MK2.



fear the Noob....

Wow my brain looks neat, I can tell you that cause my eyes just rolled all the way pointing backwards into my skull! :D

Matt

Tanya Wins, Ed Boon Wins, Ermac wins, Goro Wins, ect. is in the MK II code but that doesn't mean anything. It's just red herings. The MK4 character Tanya wasn't even thought of back in MK II. It was just a reference to Ed Boon's other sister.


Jade isn't in MK1. The green sonya/reptile glitch is not Jade.

I thought the fans named Hornbuckle -PS- who the f*ck is Chun?

Chun Li?

actually if you look at Noob Saibot's fighting stance. It is Sub-Zero's fighting stance. He has Subby's stance the whole time he fights.

Also Jax was supposed to be in MK1 (the nimbus terrafaux rumor was really MK1 Jax and his name was gonna be Stryker instead of Jax...)

Remember they never said why/what happened to MK1 subby. And the Classic Sub from UMK3 ending states warrior from a previous Mortal Kombat (MK2). So they knew Noob is classic subby from MK2. Same fighting stance and everything.

Ed said that Kitana was originally supposed to be Tanya

Actually, they did state what happened to MK1 Sub-Zero. He was defeated and killed by Scorpion towards the end of MK1. The official MK2 Comic Book backs this up, as well as Scorpion's MK2 and UMK3 endings, Sub-Zero's MKDA Konquest Mode, and Noob-Smoke's MKD ending. As to how Scorpion killed the original Sub-Zero, I am convinced that Scorpion actually used his MK1 fatality on him. Scorpion had the bare skull face in his post-mortem form, and Sub-Zero used his Spine/Head Rip fatality to kill him. Noob Saibot appears cloaked in shadow in his post-mortem form, and I believe that is symbolic of how he died; being burnt to death.

Classic Sub-Zero from UMK3 is not a canon character. He didn't have an intro bio in UMK3. The only port of MKT where he did have an intro bio was the N64 port, and that bio was pretty much copy-pasted from the Unmasked Sub-Zero's intro bio from MK3, the only thing excluded being the first sentence of that bio, and even in that port, Classic Sub-Zero still has the same ending he had in UMK3. Classic Sub-Zero was included in UMK3/MKT for the same reason Human Smoke (another non-canon character, who just happens to be one in the same with robo Smoke): simply to gain mileage out of the Scorpion sprite.

As for whether or not the Noob = Original Subby idea was pre-conceived, that is debatable.

Noob had Sub-Zero's stance and victory pose in MK2, but that didn't necessarily mean right away that Noob was the Original Sub-Zero. After playing MK2 on MAT2, I've noticed that any time you face a CPU Scorpion or Reptile, they start off in their normal stance, and when they start walking, they go to Sub-Zero's stationary stance the minute they stop moving, and then go back to their regular walking stance once they move again. The same holds true with Mileena. She starts in her own stance, and once she starts moving, she goes into Kitana's stationary stance once she stays still, then goes into her own walking stance when she starts walking again. Probably a glitch, and I'm not sure if that was in the original Arcade version of MKII or the MAME version. Let's also not forget that Smoke had Reptile's fighting stance in MK2, but he has nothing to do with Reptile's storyline.

I think the whole Noob/Sub-Zero debate started with MK Mythologies: Sub-Zero. We knew by then that Noob is from the Netherrealm, and in that game, Sub-Zero goes into the Netherrealm. But there's no Noob Saibot in the game at all. But I think the Noob/Sub-Zero theory started to get deeper in MK4, most notably, the N64 port of the game. Noob appears to be wearing Sub-Zero's exact same costume, whereas Scorpion no longer wears the exact same costume as Sub-Zero, so this means something's up. Now in the N64 port, Noob has Sub-Zero's fighting stance, victory pose, throw, bone breaker throw, and Deep Freeze/Ice Shatter fatality. At first I thought this was just laziness on Midway's part. Could've been.

Ever since then, fans on the Internet have been posting theories that Noob Saibot is in fact the original Sub-Zero, a few of them posting them on this very website. And one of them got flamed for that theory, despite the fact that he presented all the evidence backing that theory up, and that person posted this theory on the MKO forums just WEEKS before MKD's release. I bet those flamers and non-believers are eating their words now. One of the non-believers even apologized for not believing that person on his Noob-Smoke FAQ on GameFAQs.

The fact that this theory has been going on for years leads me to believe that the Noob = original Subby thing was inspired by MK fans. Either this is a coincidence, it was pre-conceived, or John Vogel and the story writers for MK read these theories "Noob = original Subby" theories, looked at the evidence supporting the theories, and said, "You know what? This makes sense!"

I know this with the fighting stances and stuff

But Noob starts out with Sub's stance and walks with sub'd stance as well.

Some could say that his spear was to symbolize his defeat by Scorpion.

Also if you notice in MKD Konquest mode. Pretty much every ninja that dies or died looks like Noob Saibot or Scorpion. Also, Noob Saibot and Scorpion kinda look like eachother in MKD, wonder if it's because they are both from the Nether Realm.

What do you think of Shao Kahn having Shinnok's real amulet and that's why Onaga cannot fuse the Kamidogu since Quan Chi had the fake Amulet all along.

Also, it would be cool if they brought back the old floating Shang Tsung from MK1 back in 3D.

What do you think the question mark is on the select screen? It's not Random select since every random is :HOLD UP + START"

That shit about the Noob spear symbolizing something gives way too much credit to the MK makers. They obviously thought up noob saibot in about five minutes. He was never Sub Zero or any other shit in those old games. The figured,

"hell, let's just color scorpion black and make him move faster... bam, one more secret character in the bucket. What's next... ok, a green Kitana... ok, two down, one to go. Wait, what to call the green kitana... I know... we'll call her 'Green'. Or let's just leave her name blank."

That's the way they developed characters... as opposed to, "Let's bring back the original sub zero as a secret black ninja with Scorpion's spear and then reveal it 5 games later.... ingenius!"

Come on, get with it.

Actually, I thought Boon programmed MK2's hidden characters himself, keeping even his co-workers in the dark about that. I'd be hesitant to say that Noob was actually Subzero, but I'm sure they had plans for Original Subzero returning as an entirely new character some day. Then again, you guys have the edge in this subject.

MK has been on the fly since day 1, and everything that seems like indepth storylne in the actual games is just rewriting their history around the existing history where there was no real history.

Matt

I dont think the thought of Noob Saibot being the original Sub-Zero occured to them until MKD. There has been fans talking about it for awhile from evidence of Noob Saibot's absence in MK Mythologies to evidence of Noob Saibot's black color meaning his was burned by Scorpion's fire, to even in MK4 when Noob Saibot has Sub-Zero's deep freeze fatality. I think the creators looked at how it all fit together and decided that the original Sub-Zero would turn out to be Noob Saibot.

I dont buy the explanation of Sub-Zero's UMK3 bio suggesting he is Noob Saibot because I dont believe that was an idea back then. I still believe to this day that when they made it, the original Sub-Zero was the original Sub-Zero. I interpret his ending to mean they were shocked to learn that it wasnt the younger Sub-Zero that everyone was expecting and they were shocked to learn it was the original Sub-Zero. Because come on, with a mask on who can really tell which Sub-Zero it is? But now that we know that Noob Saibot is the original Sub-Zero I see the classic Sub-Zero more as of an extra costume for the younger brother.

The "Classic" Sub Zero in UMK3/MKT was neither younger Sub Zero, or the MK1 Sub Zero/Noob (I also don't think they had this idea until MKD). The ending for this Subby has him removing his mask, and everyone surprised that it was NOT older MK1 Subby, but somebody else completely. I am almost certain that, like Human Smoke in these games, this was 100% non canon.

Saying that there is nothing else to find in MK2 is just stupid. The only reason that nothing else was found is because people stopped trying to find secrets in the arcade game when the home versions came out.

Unless you can prove that everything has been found in the arcade MKII, you have no business saying so. Until I hear it from the developers that everything was found, that's the only way it should be believed.