This is really a matter of opinion than fact. Many people think Dairou's run and shoot/TS is total cheese. Others feel it's fair. I guess your choices were lose, play him with a glitch and win, or just play and take off when it's over to find someone a little more fair in your book. Hey he can't be worse than this guy StylesXXIV or something like that... Wow, he's cursing up a storm, while he's infiniting me with Ashrah and playing the Bo glitch. I told him to see if he could beat me with skill so he tried nightwolf (Still attempted some free throws, but failed) and i whooped his butt. then he tried N/S and I whooped his butt even worse. Flawless and as close to a double flawless as you can get, then he leaves and calls me names and laughs that he won 9-2 after every single one of his wins were with ashra's inifinite and bo's f3 over and over and over. I guess some people just get off on being a rank ho and doing these ridiculous things. I'll never understand it, or relate to it. I have over 3000 losses and I have noooo problem with it. That's why when it comes down to a real match without all this over the top infinite/cheese, i have a better chance of winning against people like that. They can have their cheap undeserving wins. I'll take my real ones. Same type of people that pull the plug during the "finish him" part... I mean it's a game. They'll never get better because they run from the big boys like us like little cowards. So sad...

Well, one thing that i have always believed is that Dairou players like me do play annoying and i suppose some may say dirty a little.I will free throw you once in a while,but i can win without that.Ask kilerb,BNR or anyone else form the box side.

Asmodeus,i never played you have i??I just got your PM today LOL,when did you send that man,sorry,but i totally forgot to check out my mail LOL.


Trust me man,what you said there is a reason for that.I can hold my own.

no offence but you 3 are weak, cheap? cheese? wtf are these things? yall need to learn that grabing and free throws are apart of this game and ever other fighting game like Tekken, theres prob nothing like bo, but damn you guys cant be a bo? its not that hard, most bos play counter, except for 1 i know. people that whine and complain about these things are scrubs, Dai is totally legit, theres nothing wrong with dai, he dont have a glitch combo does he? ok, and as for the TS, wtf yall whining over a move that hits you when your on the ground? wtf yall to lazy to jump? learn how to beat the ts, its not that hard unless your using Kira or sub, i hope you know you can hit them after a missed ts, stop whining scrubs and learn to play the game how its been made to play without using infinites

I will return tonight for some games if anyone is up for it

Except Dave's Dairou(its mind-blogging I tell ya), I think my Scorp and Kabal can take out Dairous
My other characters are are a mixed bag and I guess you can say my kobra plays different

I'm not saying all the time, but its very possible
Gotta give credit to Chimage though as he is a puller/complainer, he showed me(more so when I fight him) more of Moi-Fah for Scorpion

Thug no offense to you man,but is all of this PS 2 attitude really necessary??Listen man,heres the deal with me,i can hold my own with just about everyone most of the time except for Alda,the guys a genius in this game.

I like playing with Honor and fair play,thats what i represent.But if i wanted to,i can play dirty,take advantage of free throws,move before the round,abuse infinites,but do i??NO.Because A.It's too easy to win that way,B.It's no fun,C.A player who constantly does any of the above all the time is a desperate player.

Just think about man,if a player can win alot without resorting to those things,imagine what power he would have if he added those into the mix.

All i'm saying is that i have had alot of success and wins in this game by playing with NO infinites,moving before the round,or dirty play.I'll admit,once in a blue i like free throws.

well i think he is real cheap. TSD is the cehapest move in game imo, probably 2nd cheapest guy from bo. idc if you guys think they are legit, but i can't beat em and i think anyone who plays that way is just trash because they can't win any other way.

A typical post from what you would expect from a scrub,and thus,the real reason why X-Box gets a bad reputation.

Honor.Cheese.Cheap.Dirty.These words shouldn't exist in your dictionary if you're trying to become a high level player,or anything close to good.The game only counts the victories and losses,and not how "honorable" you've been against your opponent.The only thing that should be banned are the infinite combos and the partial infinite combos;I mean,you can play with them if you feel like losing a whole round because you've been grabbed once.You can blame Boon and his awesome MK team for that,though.

Anyway,as for beating Dairou,should you use Sindel,Kenshi,Havik,Li Mei,etc. on him?Of course not.But I guarantee you that you can beat average Dairou players with Kobra,Scorp,Darrius,Tanya,etc. rather easily.If you cannot,you can always pick N/S or Bo.Another smart thing you can do is to ignore MKF because most of the time you can expect scrubby comments from him.

Whats that,is someone speaking????I can't hear anything??Did someone just say he's a scrub because all he knows how to use is one broken character......LOL....


AAAAWWWWW,well must be my hearing???LOL


Apparently i'm someones new obsession now LOL.Sorry man,but i don't steer that way Dave.*hint* LOL

I must assume you couldn't counter my argument (as usual),so you had to resort to some random spam again.

What arguement???LOL...oh yeah let me get this straight..






*cough*


DAve:I own you MKF

MKF:You never faced me??

Dave:I don't care

MKF:uuuuummmmmm,ok.

Dave:You suck because i say so,even though i can only use one guy.


MKF:LOL,i can use Dairou too,your point

Dave:You suck,and you're dumb

MKF:Ignoring you now

Dave:MKF is my new obsession,so therefore i must find him and try to wear him down.

MKF:Funny how every thread i go into this guy magically appears after my post,hhhhhhhmmmmmmm don't know about you guys but i'm seeing a pattern here,getting worried about Dave chasing a guy.

Dave:I must kill you

MKF:he he lol,never happen,good luck though





And theres your arguement folks,thats right,my point exactly....there is NONE!

M2Dave loves to debate things when he thinks he's right. He's been attacking me since March because back then I didn't know you could be infinited. Oh well, when our lives have become so boiring and meaningless that we go over to the PS2 forums and nitpick everything they say, then we can consider ourselves having issues, until then MKF, I suggest you stick with your latest plan of ignoring him.

actually dave does not know just one broken character...i've seen him use about 10-14 of the other character and he was quite good

Oooookay, all this bickering betwen MKL and Dave is what got my last thread closed. would you guys just cool it.

Back to the topic, when I beat the guy I did it with Liu not Bo. IMO the best way to beat Dairou is to put him on lock down and not let him get the chance to use the TS.

No matter what anyone says, the TS is an over powered move. Yes, you can beat someone who uses it, even someone who abuses it, but its still an unfair advantage and gets annoying. I didn't 50/50 the guy for the win, i did it to control the fight and keep him where I wanted him. But that's besides the point, if anyone has to resort to F3/throw style tactics there a problem. I don't like doing it, it seriously cheapens the game. Some argue that the game is cheap, anything goes, and thats it. It's deeper than that.

A win should be earned through skill and strategy, not stolen through gliches and unescapable throws.

LAME! a win should be earned by taking advantage of your opponent's stupidity. if they sit there and block high, just keep throwin em til they block low, then when they finally wise up and block low, let them uppercut you, walk in again, and this time when they think they are slick by blocking low, then hit em low and laugh @ thier stupidity. this is a video game B, it dont matter how you play, the point is to beat a fool's ass knawmsain? the more people be bitchin about my borizzle, the more they gonna get em, because thats they weakness, they should just play and stfu knawmean? word up thug life fools

The best way to beat Dairou is to trap him into 50/50 mix ups,so that he cannot run away from you the whole match.Also,see my anti-Dairou strategy guide in the sticky thread by Crow.

You need to play to win.In every fighter you abuse glitches,and MK:D is no exception (it's just that in it there are more game-breaking glitches than in other fighters).Is playing a f+3/throw Bo gay?Yes,but it's legit because it's just a 50/50 mix ups,and after the throw Bo cannot infinite you.

Try reading this below,and try to understand it:
http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

HB has no pride Asmo.... Anyone that uses one broken character (Not only does he use him, he ONLY uses his broken moves and nothing else..) is going to get defensive like that. The funny thing is, if you've played on Bo glitcher you've played em all. I've played quite a few of these bo rank hos and EVERY one of them does the same thing. That's what I love about the normal characters. My Ermac for instance... No one plays him just like i do. MKF plays him differently, Shomeboy does too, and so on... If we had a contest with 5 Bo glitch users like HB, and you didn't tell me who I was playing, I wouldn't have and clue which of the 5 it was. They're all the same! And that's why I laugh at people like this. They start before the match in hopes of a free throw, they take advantage of the same glitch over and over and then they come on here and talk about their skills? MY 6 YEAR OLD BROTHER CAN DO WHAT THEY DO, and rather than developing any skills, they sit there for 8000 games and continue to do the only thing they've everrrrr learnnnnned... Because they got no real skill. How could they? 8000 games of 2 moves? Hello? Nothing's going to develop. You have people complain when someone only uses one character, well a person that does that with just BO must be the bottom of the barrel in their eyes.

HB will come on here now and say "Yo B, you just mad homie cuz u can't keep up with someone with skills son... You too incongruous (he loves throwing a big word into his ebonics) to be keeping up with me yo..." But here's the bottom line, and everyone knows this. You do not have skill, you only care about winning and fun is your last prirority, you enjoy making others angry which shows you're an angry guy, and you're the biggest rank whore on MKO. That's the bottom line... Past all your smack talking, it's still YOU that everyone thinks of as the glitch using, starting before the round begins (Which everyone can do by holding down start and moving, it's not like you have some valuable info we don't have, we just have more integrity than you.) rank ho. That's all you are, and that's all you'll ever be. Learn a new character without cheating and i'd be more than happy to beat you like I did last time....

P.S. to all you guys that call yourselves elite players and may step in here and say "anything goes but infinites." That's not a fact, that's an opinion... This move is skilless, cheap, not fun, and too powerful. If it wasn't there wouldn't be 100's of people complaining about it all the time... Especially good players that realize it's just str8 skilless boring cheese.

if you win by "skill" and "strategy" are you really that proud? its just a fukn video game, go get laid.

Thanks for the link dave, I can see why so many people are angry at boon and his team now.

If you haven't followed the link that dave supplied...do it, it's pretty interesting.

Just because I don't like being cheap and enjoy being competitive and honorable does not mean I don't get laid every night

it means ur a scrub along with the rest of the mk:d players who think this game involves honour.

Just read the article M2Dave... Very valid points. I can see how an expert, someone that only cares about winning, will take advantage of all the little glitches and all the moves that just seem unfair. So, after reading that article, I will say that after reading HIS definition of the word scrub (Which I do not think a lot people are aware of...) I would consider myself a scrub. I do play more for fun than for the wins. I mean anyone that has played me (Whether they like me or not) knows that I have some skill. They KNOW that I can learn Bo Rai Cho in a couple of hours and win most of my games with him. They're aware that I can pick Dairou, walk away while shooting fireballs and TS dropping... I can pick Scorpion and continuously swipe them with my sword, spear, eye gauge, flames from hell, then 33/33/33 them again and again. Yes, I can have a great record, but I choose not to. Why? Like I said, according to their definition I'm a scrub. I'm not going to devote my life to game so i can win money at a tournament. So what do I gain by doing these cheap annoying and boring things? What does anyone not going to a tournament get out of this? Honor? Expert players don't care about honor or fun according to the article. SO, my point here is, unless you're a tournament player, and maybe M2Dave is, but horrible black sure ain't, and most of these little cheesy glitchers aren't, then WHYYYYY do they play like this??? They're not going to win money, they're obviously not classified as the .01% in the article called expert players... These are the people I'll never understand. I can only assume that M2Dave would agre with me and call these people rank whores. They're not out for fun obviously, they're not out for money because those tactics aren't gonna cut it at a tourney, they're out to sit in front of a TV, get as many wins as possible and piss off as many people as they can. That's why i don't like these people. The one's that aren't experts and still do these things. You may say now "So, they like to win and not to lose..." I do too! But their at an entire different level than most when it comes to winning being a priority. Horrible Black says all the time "You guys be takin' this shit too seriously, knawasamein? It just be pixels on a screen yo..." Okay, so if that's all it is, why would he take it sooooo seriously that he uses all these glitches to win, only uses 2 moves, starts before he says fight, and continues to do this for 10,000 games now? Sounds like this is a little more serious than fun to him more than anyone else. M2Dave, could you even imagine playing 10,000 games with 1 character playing 2 moves that are considered glitchy AND NOT BEING A TOURNAMENT CONTENDER!?!? I think even you'll agree with me that this doesn't make any sense. I submitted to many of the points you were trying to prove, now can you do the same? Does this makes sense to you??? HB laughs at us taking time to come in here and complain... DUDE, what about the time you've spent playing hours and hours and hours with only ONE CARE in the world... Win at any cost. No money, no tournament... Just a rank ho with no cares for the fun of it and nothing better to do then to cheese people and get wins. YAY!!!

Anyway, that was a cool article, but my main point is that when the people in these forums complain or whine like you say, you need to remember that these aren't tournament hopefuls or the experts the article compares scrubs to. They're just rank hos!!!

I also have a question... You've complained about MKD being so broken, and it seems after reading that article that many others are too, but why should that matter if experts all agree that the "over the top" glitches are not to be used? AKA infinites etc? If they're banned at tournaments, and you can't use them, why can't you consider MKD a good competitive fighting game?

its not about tournaments and cash. you clearly have not learnt this game. i have been in your shoes, guess what it only took me a week to realize i wasnt really playing the game. you are narrow-minded and you think tournament are the reason why people "cheese" & glitch you, its not.

by whoring 2 moves we are displaying our knowledge of the game, you can laugh all you want but your the one laying on the ground after the match is done. you may think its easy as hell but we are too advanced for you. we have simplified our method of play and it sure as hell beats however you play. of course you are going to say 2 moves is cheese and shit. its cuz you have the mentality of a scrub who hasnt truly learnt the game.

if you are a high-level player its not about winning anymore, its about how knowledgable u are. being able to simplify is easy yet people still cling to stupid punishable moves. compare competitive fighters to math, in math you always look for the easier way to get things done. you are constantly trying to simplify equations to the point where it cannot be simplified anymore, the result you get is much more efficient then having so much useless crap. its the same deal with fighters. fuck even bruce lee simplified martial arts. this is the reason why people like me and dave think this game is shit, because we mastered it and there is hardly anything left to learn.

so the next time you get beat by "cheese", dont whine it makes you look dumb to high-level players. you know why you lost, because you weren't able to simplify. take your loss and go learn the game.

Damn Yayo, I thought you were a dumbass. This is the first intellegent thing I've seen you post. Maybe from now on you can keep the BS to a minimum. I doubt it but hey, I'm all for wishful thinking.

After reading that article, I can see exactly where Dave and yayo are coming from. HB pisses me off too, but if he is able to beat me with 2 moves (that are legit mind you) that just shows the flaws of the game. You either can do 1 of 2 things; find a way to beat it or stop playing. I'm not one to quit so I guess it back to the workshop for me.

And Killerb, HB probably doesn't play for cash, tourneys, or to just show his "skill." But he is playing for fun, his kind of fun. We may not understand it, but we don't have to.

Yayo, another thing I've noticed... Why are all the high level players such jerks? Why can't you guys explain these things and be nice about it? Is it just a common denominator that when you're a high level player, you also have to continuously belittle a person when you're trying to educate them? I don't know you, and you don't know me. I've watched you attack MKF, BNR, and myself in a way that just makes us want to lower ourselves to your level and belittle you back. You're so wrapped up in being right about the scrub vs. cheese argument and expert player vs. whatever it is you think we are, that you've totally lost sight of the fact that you're just being a bad person. I guess being an expert player is more important than being a nice guy when you have the mentality that goes along with being an expert player. I feel bad for you man... All us Xbox guys to rag on each other a lot, but you just come in here and take it to another level. I don't know if it's the coke talking or you were really brought up like this, but I pity you either way. Anyway, you win, since I do not want to learn how to beat everyone with 2 moves, I'm unintelligent, a scrub, and a whiner. But that's better than being an egotistical, smug, down-talking jerk that gets off on bringing others down to where you obviously must dwell... If you didn't you'd be a much cooler guy. Good luck though man, you've gotten MKD down to a winning science and you the man. Now try to learn how to apply yourself in life too.