Sonya... Girl you dont make no sense whatsoever... Long post as normal
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Sonya... Girl you dont make no sense whatsoever... Long post as normal
Yes I know, I am talking about Sonya, who happens to be Queve's favorite for life in this series. Unfortunately I am taking a big risk here and probably shunning her down for the sake of the fact is: SHE MAKES NO SENSE!!!
How? How does Sonya not make sense? Okay, let's break it down, step-by-step and consider her appearance as one of the reasons.
*Ahem*
This is Sonya's first ever appearance. She is a top member of the U.S. Special Forces. Yet nothing in this model directly tells me she is a military chick. When I first saw this character, I literally thought that she was some sort of karate babe in real tight clothing. Never would I have thought that she was in the military.
Her actress isn't even all that top either.
Elizabeth Molecki you're really freaky.
But seriously, her entire self is supposed to be some sort of woman from the military, as seen in this picture:
But nowhere does it show that she looks like a military woman. You couldn't make her wear a uniform that could have shown me that she is a military competitor? But if it's more like a mercenary thing, then okay I'll let it slip. But nowhere does it state that she is one, so how can you make her look like that?
And it doesn't make even more sense in her second appearance:
Again, she is supposed to be military-like, this doesn't, at all, tell me she is in the military. I feel as if I am looking at someone who is a karate master at a circus. Her goal in this game was to warn the people of Earthrealm about Kahn's invasion, I'm sure people will pretty much listen to you looking like that.
Neither she or Jax looks anything like they're from the military or military-like team. They look nothing like they're serious business. What kind of Major wears bright purple and black spandex? What kind of lieutenant wears bright green, white and black spandex with a matching sports bra? Certainly not the kind of folks we have serving in our military I can tell you that.
We're somewhat getting there in fixing her up to make us believe that she is apart of the Special Forces. With a character who's avatar background in MK3 was an American flag, this tells me that you're a character that serves our country. Okay. But neither of her previous attires tells me anything of that.
With this look, she finally looks like she belongs somewhere, military? Not really, but it's at least uniformed to look like she is something. Though I prefer her in red not green. She has become a member of the Outerworld Investigation Agency, but still holds a key part in Earthrealm as a lieutenant since she is also supposed to watch the government's back. At least her attire now finally speaks up and holds some sort of an intimidating look rather than a joke.
But then they had to ruin her fucking appearance once more with this hideous creation.
Is this a joke? Not only are we given the tan belly-see shirt, we also have given her a choker and massive thong straps for show. She looks like something that just came out of a Halloween party. At least her secondary outfit finally looks like something I would have appreciate seeing on her throughout the previous games that she's been in.
This look at least makes sense for the kind of character that Sonya is supposed to be. She has yet warn anything like this and her primary appearance in Deadly Alliance still shows me that she obviously takes the military as a joke. Whether or not she is supposed to be in an actual military or not, still, if she is supposed to be portrayed as a patriotic person, at least look like something you're representing.
Which then leaves me to the ultimate disaster of a look. A look I just cannot accept whatsoever.
She's given the chance to at least look more uniform, but I can't stand anything about this look at all. The choker still makes me feel like she's a joke. The tan thong strap lines still gives me the impression to make her feel like she's a joke even more, and the fact that she's not wearing a bra (As pointed out by a user who had a signature that had a close-up revealing this)
are we supposed to be under the impression that Sonya needs to be more of a trampy military woman or what?
Which finally comes down to the last appearance in the video game part:
What was ridiculous was that she was the only character, besides Freddy and Kitana, to get so much hype about becuase of the look. She's A.) Wearing high heels, B.) Not wearing an undershirt C.) Her versus smirk is too odd. Her introduction to the game thread had over 700 pages. Or at least it was up there.
She still shows nothing like how I've explained it. Her appearances make no sense.
So that's much about her looks, what about her moves?
The first game has her only doing three moves: Her ring toss, her bicycle kicks and her square wave punch. But how is she performing her ring toss?
This picture indicates that her bracelets show me nothing that her rings come from them.
Chi? Do I believe that's the reason? I have no idea. It would make sense for this character to shoot things from gadgets since she's, as stated for like the thirtieth time, that she's from the military.
But I get it, not everything can be programmed into the game when you're capturing their models. Of course that's why Kabal looks like what he did in MK3
Because they couldn't capture the trench coat or his breathing tank on the back of him becuase it was impossible to capture.
Though something as tiny as bracelets on the arms, come on... You couldn't have given her something that shows that she's using gadgets not just...
This? But you can argue "She's clearly holding onto her bracelet. But let me remind you of the previous picture that I pointed out, that her bracelets shows nothing that tells me her rings comes from the bracelet itself. They're spiked bracelets.
Spiked.
But she finally gets something that makes her seem that she is shooting them out of her bracelets since she's actually using her bracelets in this game as a way to communicate to her team and shit. She's got that, why couldn't you make it seem like she's wielding power from her bracelets?
Because in this she's whipping out both her arms, so she can't be doing anything with her bracelets in that!
In the fourth one, she looks like she's using her bracelets
My goodness.
Her kicks... do i really need to explain?
She gets her kiss move by throwing dust at her opponents, real obvious that it's just dust that she blows at you. Nothing really new.
Though it would make sense to make her look like she uses gadgets as well as kicks and flips, not some mumbo jumbo magic crap that people like to refer to as "Chi." No. Gadgets.
And what about her Kiss of Death fatality? One could say that she has something in her hand as soon as she blows the kiss to shoot off at the opponent. Now that makes sense. But what is it? What does she have in her hand or whatever that engulfs her opponent in flames and torches them until there's nothing left but bone? Something pretty deadly I can assure you. But what is it?
Because that's certainly not what she has later on.
Because this fucking thing also comes out of her hands. What is it? A giant force of energy that just crushes you? What is it? How does she get it out of her? What is it from? WHAT THE HELL IS IT?
Her other fatality in the game is exactly like her first one, just a spark that torches the character completely.
And, oh my favorite thing to nitpick the fucking crap out of. But first, let me say her kiss of death fatality is basically a giant energy ball that rips the opponent in half apparently. It makes no sense, nothing shows where it comes from, so I have no idea what the hell it is.
But oh thank goodness am I going to talk about this one... Her leg split fatality. I know I am probably one of the most technical talkative users on this site, that nitpicks about logic and how can it be done more than anyone else. But I cannot sit here and appreciate that there is a fatality out there that serves no purpose whatsoever in making any total sense, no matter how many times you try to explain it to me, there's no sense to it whatsoever.
But then you'll argue back, "then you have to basically bitch about all the other fatlaities because they too can't be performed properly without some sort of logic behind them. And since Johnny Cage can rip torsos without having anything to pin the feet of his opponent down, you have to talk about how that's possible.
I couldn't because there is no logic there, but I am not talk about Cage's fatality I am clearly sticking with Sonya's.
I've sketched things out, along with Cheese,
By drawing where the feet would be on the opponent and directional arrows pointing where her feet would be going, there is no indication whatsoever showing me how she manages to pry her opponent in half. How? Where? Why?
No. Fucking. Sense. Period.
Unbelievable. She makes no sense.
Her story:
She's after the Black Dragon and Kano
She's kidnapped but is later saved by Jax
Tries to warn the world about Kahn's invasion while succeeding in killing Kano and Kahn in her ending
Joins Liu Kang in a quest while becoming a member of the Outerworld Investigation Agency
Defeats Jerek, blah blah blah
She realizes that Kenshi and Cyrax are both lost in Outworld and needs to get there.
She saves them, gets promoted to General
And some argue about Kano, she only basically confronts him in his stories more than her own. In her own, she barely does anything with him, only in the first two games that she's playable in. This always had me confused from the beginning, but who the hell wants to play as Kano? Hee hee...
Providing that the pictures actually works this time, I hope you can see why this character makes no sense to me. Her appearance doesn't, her moves don't tell me anything how it makes sense... And her story is just so... not what you would mostly expect with the kind of character that she is. I don't know, maybe I am being way too over technical or just plain out not liking her whatsoever. But it does have a point, and my point is... She makes no sense.
Maybe to you guys, but certainly to me, notta. Thoughts before I go take mah shower?
How? How does Sonya not make sense? Okay, let's break it down, step-by-step and consider her appearance as one of the reasons.
*Ahem*
This is Sonya's first ever appearance. She is a top member of the U.S. Special Forces. Yet nothing in this model directly tells me she is a military chick. When I first saw this character, I literally thought that she was some sort of karate babe in real tight clothing. Never would I have thought that she was in the military.
Her actress isn't even all that top either.
Elizabeth Molecki you're really freaky.
But seriously, her entire self is supposed to be some sort of woman from the military, as seen in this picture:
But nowhere does it show that she looks like a military woman. You couldn't make her wear a uniform that could have shown me that she is a military competitor? But if it's more like a mercenary thing, then okay I'll let it slip. But nowhere does it state that she is one, so how can you make her look like that?
And it doesn't make even more sense in her second appearance:
Again, she is supposed to be military-like, this doesn't, at all, tell me she is in the military. I feel as if I am looking at someone who is a karate master at a circus. Her goal in this game was to warn the people of Earthrealm about Kahn's invasion, I'm sure people will pretty much listen to you looking like that.
Neither she or Jax looks anything like they're from the military or military-like team. They look nothing like they're serious business. What kind of Major wears bright purple and black spandex? What kind of lieutenant wears bright green, white and black spandex with a matching sports bra? Certainly not the kind of folks we have serving in our military I can tell you that.
We're somewhat getting there in fixing her up to make us believe that she is apart of the Special Forces. With a character who's avatar background in MK3 was an American flag, this tells me that you're a character that serves our country. Okay. But neither of her previous attires tells me anything of that.
With this look, she finally looks like she belongs somewhere, military? Not really, but it's at least uniformed to look like she is something. Though I prefer her in red not green. She has become a member of the Outerworld Investigation Agency, but still holds a key part in Earthrealm as a lieutenant since she is also supposed to watch the government's back. At least her attire now finally speaks up and holds some sort of an intimidating look rather than a joke.
But then they had to ruin her fucking appearance once more with this hideous creation.
Is this a joke? Not only are we given the tan belly-see shirt, we also have given her a choker and massive thong straps for show. She looks like something that just came out of a Halloween party. At least her secondary outfit finally looks like something I would have appreciate seeing on her throughout the previous games that she's been in.
This look at least makes sense for the kind of character that Sonya is supposed to be. She has yet warn anything like this and her primary appearance in Deadly Alliance still shows me that she obviously takes the military as a joke. Whether or not she is supposed to be in an actual military or not, still, if she is supposed to be portrayed as a patriotic person, at least look like something you're representing.
Which then leaves me to the ultimate disaster of a look. A look I just cannot accept whatsoever.
She's given the chance to at least look more uniform, but I can't stand anything about this look at all. The choker still makes me feel like she's a joke. The tan thong strap lines still gives me the impression to make her feel like she's a joke even more, and the fact that she's not wearing a bra (As pointed out by a user who had a signature that had a close-up revealing this)
are we supposed to be under the impression that Sonya needs to be more of a trampy military woman or what?
Which finally comes down to the last appearance in the video game part:
What was ridiculous was that she was the only character, besides Freddy and Kitana, to get so much hype about becuase of the look. She's A.) Wearing high heels, B.) Not wearing an undershirt C.) Her versus smirk is too odd. Her introduction to the game thread had over 700 pages. Or at least it was up there.
She still shows nothing like how I've explained it. Her appearances make no sense.
So that's much about her looks, what about her moves?
The first game has her only doing three moves: Her ring toss, her bicycle kicks and her square wave punch. But how is she performing her ring toss?
This picture indicates that her bracelets show me nothing that her rings come from them.
Chi? Do I believe that's the reason? I have no idea. It would make sense for this character to shoot things from gadgets since she's, as stated for like the thirtieth time, that she's from the military.
But I get it, not everything can be programmed into the game when you're capturing their models. Of course that's why Kabal looks like what he did in MK3
Because they couldn't capture the trench coat or his breathing tank on the back of him becuase it was impossible to capture. Though something as tiny as bracelets on the arms, come on... You couldn't have given her something that shows that she's using gadgets not just...
This? But you can argue "She's clearly holding onto her bracelet. But let me remind you of the previous picture that I pointed out, that her bracelets shows nothing that tells me her rings comes from the bracelet itself. They're spiked bracelets. Spiked. But she finally gets something that makes her seem that she is shooting them out of her bracelets since she's actually using her bracelets in this game as a way to communicate to her team and shit. She's got that, why couldn't you make it seem like she's wielding power from her bracelets?
Because in this she's whipping out both her arms, so she can't be doing anything with her bracelets in that!
In the fourth one, she looks like she's using her bracelets
My goodness.
Her kicks... do i really need to explain?
She gets her kiss move by throwing dust at her opponents, real obvious that it's just dust that she blows at you. Nothing really new.
Though it would make sense to make her look like she uses gadgets as well as kicks and flips, not some mumbo jumbo magic crap that people like to refer to as "Chi." No. Gadgets.
And what about her Kiss of Death fatality? One could say that she has something in her hand as soon as she blows the kiss to shoot off at the opponent. Now that makes sense. But what is it? What does she have in her hand or whatever that engulfs her opponent in flames and torches them until there's nothing left but bone? Something pretty deadly I can assure you. But what is it?
Because that's certainly not what she has later on.
Because this fucking thing also comes out of her hands. What is it? A giant force of energy that just crushes you? What is it? How does she get it out of her? What is it from? WHAT THE HELL IS IT?
Her other fatality in the game is exactly like her first one, just a spark that torches the character completely.
And, oh my favorite thing to nitpick the fucking crap out of. But first, let me say her kiss of death fatality is basically a giant energy ball that rips the opponent in half apparently. It makes no sense, nothing shows where it comes from, so I have no idea what the hell it is.
But oh thank goodness am I going to talk about this one... Her leg split fatality. I know I am probably one of the most technical talkative users on this site, that nitpicks about logic and how can it be done more than anyone else. But I cannot sit here and appreciate that there is a fatality out there that serves no purpose whatsoever in making any total sense, no matter how many times you try to explain it to me, there's no sense to it whatsoever.
But then you'll argue back, "then you have to basically bitch about all the other fatlaities because they too can't be performed properly without some sort of logic behind them. And since Johnny Cage can rip torsos without having anything to pin the feet of his opponent down, you have to talk about how that's possible.
I couldn't because there is no logic there, but I am not talk about Cage's fatality I am clearly sticking with Sonya's.
I've sketched things out, along with Cheese,
By drawing where the feet would be on the opponent and directional arrows pointing where her feet would be going, there is no indication whatsoever showing me how she manages to pry her opponent in half. How? Where? Why?
No. Fucking. Sense. Period.
Unbelievable. She makes no sense.
Her story:
She's after the Black Dragon and Kano
She's kidnapped but is later saved by Jax
Tries to warn the world about Kahn's invasion while succeeding in killing Kano and Kahn in her ending
Joins Liu Kang in a quest while becoming a member of the Outerworld Investigation Agency
Defeats Jerek, blah blah blah
She realizes that Kenshi and Cyrax are both lost in Outworld and needs to get there.
She saves them, gets promoted to General
And some argue about Kano, she only basically confronts him in his stories more than her own. In her own, she barely does anything with him, only in the first two games that she's playable in. This always had me confused from the beginning, but who the hell wants to play as Kano? Hee hee...
Providing that the pictures actually works this time, I hope you can see why this character makes no sense to me. Her appearance doesn't, her moves don't tell me anything how it makes sense... And her story is just so... not what you would mostly expect with the kind of character that she is. I don't know, maybe I am being way too over technical or just plain out not liking her whatsoever. But it does have a point, and my point is... She makes no sense.
Maybe to you guys, but certainly to me, notta. Thoughts before I go take mah shower?
And I made one tiny little mistake. Not talking about her movie appearance either.
You see, Bridgette Wilson was Sonya, even though it could have been Cameron Diaz, eww, and looked like this:
The fuck you looking at?
Then she goes on to looking like this:
A.) What happened to her hair? How did it get from long to short within a matter of minutes after Kahn came into their lives? Granted that its different actresses, BUT YOU COULDN'T FIND ONE THAT MADE SOME SORT OF AN EFFORT TO LOOK LIKE WILSON??!??1
B.) Where did her slave outfit go as well?
C.) How couldn't she make out the difference between Kitana and Mileena?
Just throwing that out there as well because I forgot to mention it in the original post.
You see, Bridgette Wilson was Sonya, even though it could have been Cameron Diaz, eww, and looked like this:
The fuck you looking at? Then she goes on to looking like this:
A.) What happened to her hair? How did it get from long to short within a matter of minutes after Kahn came into their lives? Granted that its different actresses, BUT YOU COULDN'T FIND ONE THAT MADE SOME SORT OF AN EFFORT TO LOOK LIKE WILSON??!??1
B.) Where did her slave outfit go as well?
C.) How couldn't she make out the difference between Kitana and Mileena?
Just throwing that out there as well because I forgot to mention it in the original post.
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Are you going to make threads complaining about every character? I don't quite understand what the problem is. Again - it's fantasy; a video game.
But I'm moving this to General MK as it's not about MK9.
But I'm moving this to General MK as it's not about MK9.
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Is that Dave Grohl? lol
Are we really questioning the logic of MK?
A game where people shoot fire and ice from their hands, wear their fighting attires all the time and are never seen eating, sleeping or pooping?
Where no matter what dimension you travel to, everyone speaks English?
A game where ninjas are color coded? "I have ice powers, I guess I'm sticking to blue".
MK doesn't have any logic. Or it has its own logic. You decide.
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Icebaby, how DARE you make a thread saying something bad about Sonya??!!! Shame on y00! 
On a serious note, I pretty much agree with what you're saying about her. Her look and her attitude are sub-par, and that's why I've usually felt like she's more on the mediocre side. Unfortunately, I feel that with the newer games, she's getting worse.
The problem is, you're going to get responses such as "This is fiction.", "This is a video game series.", "This is a fighting game series.", "You can't really take this stuff too seriously.". While all of those things are true, they are not good excuses to not have a good sense of logic and believability, even in a series like Mortal Kombat.
When you have more of the "realistic" characters like Sonya, Jax, and Stryker, it makes sense to do them in a more believable way. Of course, there are going to be some liberties taken with their abilities, but at least look and personality-wise, they should be done well.
Look at Stryker, for example. For a character that was largely hated back in the days of MK3, he's actually come a fairly long way and has improved quite a bit. His alternate costume in the new game is especially great. Whether or not that particular design is something actual S.W.A.T. members wear is something I wouldn't know. However, the fact that he has such an outfit and the way that it's designed gives him a sense of believability. We get the feeling that we can take him seriously, even in a fictional story like MK's, where there are sorcerers, demons, and other sorts of monsters. Why the hell can't Sonya be the same way?
In the first 3 MKs, she dressed more like an aerobics instructor even though she's supposed to be a lieutenant in the Special Forces division of the U.S. Army. Apparently in real life, women aren't allowed in the Special Forces, but since we're talking about MK, Sonya would have to have earned a place in there. If she dresses and acts the way she does, I find it hardly believable for someone like her to earn a place in the army, let alone the Special Forces division.
Her MK4 look was a step up. Her MKDA costumes were just ok, but they weren't really great. Her alternate costume in that game might have looked more realistic on the surface, but that type of outfit isn't really designed for the purposes of fighting. Her best look, costume-wise, would probably have to be her MK: Shaolin Monks outfit. If her top covered her belly, and she didn't have the thong and belly button piercing, she might have been passable.
I still want her to have a costume like the one she wore in the first MK movie when she was hunting for Kano. I really don't see why she can't wear something much more like that. I don't understand how it wouldn't show have sex appeal.
I'll try to post more thoughts later if I have them, but I'm short on time right now. All in all, Sonya is a big mess. That's why people like The_Truth made that thread about the Special Forces characters. Sonya doesn't look military or even pseudo-military. She doesn't really act much like it either.
On a serious note, I pretty much agree with what you're saying about her. Her look and her attitude are sub-par, and that's why I've usually felt like she's more on the mediocre side. Unfortunately, I feel that with the newer games, she's getting worse.
The problem is, you're going to get responses such as "This is fiction.", "This is a video game series.", "This is a fighting game series.", "You can't really take this stuff too seriously.". While all of those things are true, they are not good excuses to not have a good sense of logic and believability, even in a series like Mortal Kombat.
When you have more of the "realistic" characters like Sonya, Jax, and Stryker, it makes sense to do them in a more believable way. Of course, there are going to be some liberties taken with their abilities, but at least look and personality-wise, they should be done well.
Look at Stryker, for example. For a character that was largely hated back in the days of MK3, he's actually come a fairly long way and has improved quite a bit. His alternate costume in the new game is especially great. Whether or not that particular design is something actual S.W.A.T. members wear is something I wouldn't know. However, the fact that he has such an outfit and the way that it's designed gives him a sense of believability. We get the feeling that we can take him seriously, even in a fictional story like MK's, where there are sorcerers, demons, and other sorts of monsters. Why the hell can't Sonya be the same way?
In the first 3 MKs, she dressed more like an aerobics instructor even though she's supposed to be a lieutenant in the Special Forces division of the U.S. Army. Apparently in real life, women aren't allowed in the Special Forces, but since we're talking about MK, Sonya would have to have earned a place in there. If she dresses and acts the way she does, I find it hardly believable for someone like her to earn a place in the army, let alone the Special Forces division.
Her MK4 look was a step up. Her MKDA costumes were just ok, but they weren't really great. Her alternate costume in that game might have looked more realistic on the surface, but that type of outfit isn't really designed for the purposes of fighting. Her best look, costume-wise, would probably have to be her MK: Shaolin Monks outfit. If her top covered her belly, and she didn't have the thong and belly button piercing, she might have been passable.
I still want her to have a costume like the one she wore in the first MK movie when she was hunting for Kano. I really don't see why she can't wear something much more like that. I don't understand how it wouldn't show have sex appeal.
I'll try to post more thoughts later if I have them, but I'm short on time right now. All in all, Sonya is a big mess. That's why people like The_Truth made that thread about the Special Forces characters. Sonya doesn't look military or even pseudo-military. She doesn't really act much like it either.
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One of the things people tend to ignore about the MK version of the Special Forces is, it's not based on the real world military, it's based on the 1980's G.I. Joe cartoon. Sonya and Jax are not part of a regular old branch of the army that goes into warzones in fatigues with machine guns, they're a small team of paramilitary near-superheroes that drives around in a van chasing criminal cyborgs, wearing big pouch-covered utility belts and using guns that shoot "plasma".
THIS is the U.S. Special Forces in the MK universe:
And if they WEREN'T this, then there'd be no reason for Sonya or Jax to even be in Mortal Kombat, because the whole reason they ever went to the island was to catch Kano, but in the real world, the Special Forces does not do this sort of law enforcement stuff, that's what groups like the FBI or Interpol are for.
Now, you may not like that many things in the MK universe are not at all like the real world, especially if you're in the real military like The_Truth is and want to play something that reminds you more of your personal experiences or whatever...but it is what it is. This is the universe Boon and Tobias created and sometimes, even in this stupid reboot, they still stick to the universe they invented in 1992.
All that said, though...the aerobics clothes in MK1 and 3 did suck. And I wish her special moves made more goddamn sense. Give her a wrist weapon to shoot her rings from, show Liu Kang actually teaching her to use her chi when they meet at the tournament, fuck. Why are we better at thinking things through and making sense than paid professional writers and artists?
THIS is the U.S. Special Forces in the MK universe:
And if they WEREN'T this, then there'd be no reason for Sonya or Jax to even be in Mortal Kombat, because the whole reason they ever went to the island was to catch Kano, but in the real world, the Special Forces does not do this sort of law enforcement stuff, that's what groups like the FBI or Interpol are for.
Now, you may not like that many things in the MK universe are not at all like the real world, especially if you're in the real military like The_Truth is and want to play something that reminds you more of your personal experiences or whatever...but it is what it is. This is the universe Boon and Tobias created and sometimes, even in this stupid reboot, they still stick to the universe they invented in 1992.
All that said, though...the aerobics clothes in MK1 and 3 did suck. And I wish her special moves made more goddamn sense. Give her a wrist weapon to shoot her rings from, show Liu Kang actually teaching her to use her chi when they meet at the tournament, fuck. Why are we better at thinking things through and making sense than paid professional writers and artists?
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