Sure they wouldn't.

Marvel is a business trying to appeal to mass audiences no different than DC. They would allow no more than what DC is.

... Is this thread deliberately stupid, or is it a talent?

No, actually, I'm pretty sure Marvel would be as anal about it as DC is, if not more so.

Besides which, while I'm not happy about the changes to the fatality, I don't blame Midway or DC. It was the ESRB that found the fatalities to be too graphic for a T rating. I personally disagree, but my opinion doesn't mean much. The ESRB decided the fatality was not appropriate for a T rating, so Midway had to change it. If there's no T rating, then the game doesn't come out... and considering how badly Midway is hurting right now, that would be catastrophic for the company and the MK franchise as a whole.

Just my $.02...

You'll right.And while I do agree with you that Marvel would probably let Midway keep MK the way it is.I still want MKvsDCU to come out so I can play the game.Yes this latest news sucks and is not going to win anyone over who has already decided to not buy the game.


While I am not sure if MK vs Xmen would have been better I know them taking things out that made MKvsDCU good is a stupid idea and dumber then them coming up with the cross over game.But its way to close to release to cancel the game and Midway for one can not afford to do that even if they wanted to at this point.


If they ever sell out for another cross over game,just go ahead and make it MKvsKI even if it only is on X360. Oh and even if MKvsDCU does sell well,its still going to leave Midway in the Black,this game is not going to save them even with a Teen rating or not.

And it begins. Nobody will give it a chance anymore, they'll just say: "No Gore???? This be Kiddie-$h!t, ya'll!!!!!!!!!". Well, not me. I'm gonna give it a shot, because I think it will have something MK has been missing out on since MK3: Solid Gameplay. It's sad that I'm one of the only fans that wants a good game, instead of a "just okay game with over-the-top Fatalities". (PS: Am I the only one that expected toned-down Fatalities?)

-QuEsTiOnEd

They probably aren't as generally puritanical as DC, but it's naive to expect anything radically different. They don't have a mammoth corporation like WB backing them and are only now heavily invested in the films they make -- which is why it's crucial that everything panders to the right audiences. Which is why they'd probably aim for a T rating still to appeal to the same folks seeing the slew of films over the next few years.

And the content restrictions of a T rating are the ESRB's responsibility. Not Marvel or DC's.

Mick you're missing the point, Marvel probably wouldn't have wanted to give the game a T rating in the first place. Marvel's comics are dark and brutal so I doubt they would have asked midway to change a thing. Plus seeing Wolverine and Scorpion fighting each other drenched in blood would appeal to a great amount of people.

And you're basing that on what?

Common sense, read post above, I re-edited it.

Marvel's comics are arguably the more conservative (from a publishing perspective) - feulled by the reasons they would opt for a T rating in their games.
Not that I'm doubting your expertise on this, or any other issue... :ermac:


It's also worth keeping in mind you're talking about violence - not the all encompassing mystic powers of asbtract nouns (like "darkness").

In that respect, DC have been at the forefront of pushing blood spatters and limb removals in their mainstream properties.
Lest we forget that even inherently violent characters - like Wolverine - aren't allowed to freely disembowel in most major comics/media releases. He isn't even allowed to smoke cigars on the page!

LMAO!

You're giving Marvel WAY too much credit there chief.

If they do that, it mine as well be Mortal Kombat vs Marvel

I highly doubt that. Where's your proof that they are conservative?

Cited in an edit.
That, and, y'know... Several decades of actually being involved in reading and observing the stuff...

You started a thread about cancelling MKvsDC to do an X-Men game. I'm recovering from illness and am not at the top of my game, but I don't think there's any concern about who has perspective here...

For you to say Marvel is dark and brutal and not say the same thing about DC rather betrays how little you know about the DC universe.

Let's see...

• The Joker shot Barbara Gordon through the spine, paralyzing her. Immediately after shooting her, he undressed her and took pictures of her nude pain-wracked body to try and drive her father insane.


• Later on, the Joker would murder Commissioner Gordon's wife by shooting her in the head at close range.


• Ever heard of the women in refrigerators syndrome? It was named after an incident where Kyle Rayner, who had become Green Lantern less than a couple of weeks previous, came home to find his girlfriend murdered and stuffed in his refrigerator.


• The crossover series Identity Crisis showed the brutal murder of more than one supporting character. More, it revealed that one of those supporting characters, Sue Dibny, had been brutally raped (and even showed a flashback to the rape).


• In one of his "incarnations", the Toyman was a child murderer. For example, he murdered the son of Cat Grant, a friend of Clark Kent and Lois Lane.


• TonyTheTiger would normally be the best person to bring up the image here, but let's just say that during Infinite Crisis, the Psycho Pirate met a very gruesome end at the hands of Black Adam...

The problem is that in terms of marketing and whatnot, DC wants their characters to be accessible to as many people as they can. An M-rating prevents that, especially due to the social stigma the rating might have with parents. Marvel would likely be the same way. I mean, hell... the Punisher movie is nowhere near as violent as the original comic. Hell, even Image is guilty of this; the Spawn movie was a lot tamer than the original comic. This has nothing to do with not wanting to show violence and everything to do with getting their game and brand to as wide an audience as possible.

Just my $.02...

List atleast thirty other dark things that happened in dc. I know DC can be dark. But i'm a marvel FAN!

So, in essence, your position is not based on evidence (as you just admitted we're right) but on fanboy/girl-ism.

Got it.

We've seen far too many Marvel fighting games (better yet, games in general) ... let DC have their chance already. DC needs more public recognition for their equally outstanding works.

Anyone remotely informed would know DC have been indulging in a range of brutal acts over the past decade, to say nothing of before that. Many of comics' best regarded and "darkest" works come from DC as part of a willingness to explore the artistry and themes of the medium further (particularly in the gloom of the eighties).

DC maintain an experimental air about their work and allow lesser known projects (sometimes darker in nature) to survive much longer than their House of Ideas counterparts. The corporate backing of WB allows them to sponsor slightly less conservative publishing practises than Marvel, who have been very cautious since their revival in the early 00s.

As oft discussed on the boards, DC also sponsor high art and mature themes in their segregated Vertigo imprint. Something Marvel have willingly acknowledged they will never do, despite vague comparisons with the mature MAX brand (with limited titles like, Punisher), Icon, and their recent literary adaptations.

Here's some "proof" of recent DC violence, as if it was needed:
(Some reading required for action not depicted)
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/03/steel-versus-lex-luthor-man-aint.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/04/monster-society-versus-black-adam.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/05/black-adam-versus-azraeuz-every-hour.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/09/superman-versus-preus-old-man-new-world.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/07/batman-versus-killer-croc-hush-chapter.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/07/batman-versus-joker-hush-chapter-seven.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/04/hush-versus-batman-hush-chapter-twelve.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/07/batman-versus-killer-croc-broken-city.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/06/batman-versus-fatman-little-boy-broken.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2006/01/red-hood-with-tazer-to-electronics.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/04/monthly-punch-up-16-april-2007-batman.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/02/cheetah-versus-catwoman-chapter-four.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/05/orion-versus-darkseid-darkseid-equals.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2006/06/tally-man-versus-kgbeast-face-face.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/02/monthly-punch-up-14-february-2007-joker.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/06/quickfix-society-vs-league-of-titans-d.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/01/sinestro-versus-hal-jordankyle-rayner.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/10/black-hand-versus-green-arrowspeedy.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/09/quick-fix-double-feature-harsh-vintage.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/06/society-versus-freedom-fighters.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/05/monthly-punch-up-17-may-2007-black-adam.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/06/nightwing-versus-firefly-war-games.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/06/supermanbatman-versus-green-arrow.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2005/12/justice-league-versus-deathstroke.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2007/04/freedom-fighters-versus-superman-batman.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2006/12/batman-superman-versus-atomic-skull.html
http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2008/01/batman-versus-superman-with-vengeance.html

So, to summarize we've got... People getting eaten, mass genocide, knee capping, gun shots, pulped faces, limb removals, broken teeth, eye gouge electrocutions, poison saliva w/ mass murders, vehicular mass murders, human shields, sword impalements, exploding deaths, rope chokes, glassing, and some other trinkets of violence.

This, of course, is only a very narrow perspective of the last few years of DC's mainstream superhero publishing. It does not include other high profile violence - like Wonder Woman's well publicized neck breaking incident, or more Black Adam highlights - or much of anything else.

DC are thankfully a bit smarter than mindless violence.
We have even touched on the mature themes the company has dealt with over the years.


I was a Marvel fan for twenty years in a time when that meant actually reading Marvel comics. Yet, I'm not a naive moron! Crazy!

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You will never see half of this in a Marvel comic.

You guys aren't helping DC's case you're just making them seem two-faced. I still stand by my opinion that Marvel wouldn't change anything if it was a MKVSMarval game.

I'd start telling you how incredibly stupid you are but I can see that a few people already have done that.

DC > Marvel

Even dispite the fact that Marvel actually has released a 3D fighting game with finishing moves, and they were possibly even more weak than the finishers appearing in MKvsDC?

Let me ask you this, then...

Have you ever read The Ultimates? That's the Ultimate Marvel version of the Avengers, if you're not familiar. If so, you're probably familiar with stuff like Hank Pym beating his wife, the Hulk actually eating people he's angry with, that kind of thing.

How much of that actually translated over to the two Ultimate Avengers animated movies?

Compare the body count of a Punisher comic book arc. How much of that got translated over to the movie?

What was the last M-rated Marvel game? How many of them have there been?

The problem you're not getting is that when it comes to video games, movies, and other such projects, you're dealing with much bigger budgets and need to recoup costs, so of course the "suits" are going to want to be much more conservative. They want to reach as wide of an audience as possible, and that's much less possible with an M rating than with a T rating. Marvel is as "guilty" of it as DC, but at the end of the day, it just makes business sense either way you go.