Well, according to Superdickery, he's killed Lois at least 20 or so times, Jimmy Olson at least five times, Batman around 10 times, Lex Luthor a few more times, and apparently the whole world a few times over.

I totally agree with TTT's point on the Superman "human explanation" of course he's not human, he's Kryptonian but I think if a lot of you guys ever watched Smallville for example...that show portrays perfectly what kind of life it was for Superman growing up, being "different" and afraid of being accepted or not.

Honestly, picture yourself being very powerful or discover you have "odd" powers that you alone have and nobody else does(except for other kryptonians on earth obviously but still) there's only a select few in this case.

Now, on the Batman thing. I think it was Garlador that brought it up, concerning the "near lunatic" situation. I honestly feel that Bat's has always had that "hard edge" to him. But if you think about it, it's understandably so. His folks were killed as a little boy, and all the money in the world can't replace them(as he even knows being a billionaire and owner of a worldwide company)

To some, they'll always see Batman as " an anti hero" or "too cut throat" to be labeled a "hero" but despite how messed up he might be mentally and emotionally(can you blame him?) lol I still see him as a hero in the end regardless and cares as much as Superman when it comes to mankind if not more.

Honestly though, I just see Batman as the more "Vigilante type" rather then the "Boyscout type" obviously but I don't think it's a bad thing. He just has some issues but given his childhood it's understandable.

http://www.superdickery.com/dick/15.html
Here's proof!
http://www.superdickery.com/dick/108.html

Very funny ha, ha that movie was awesome. One of the sillier Supermans but that part was sick, like a "dark Superman"

This is a theory, like many, started by a few commentators who may or may not have had merit to their discourse, but lost it as it was quickly (and blindly) spread through a fanbase plagued with confidence issues and a needy disposition.

Being strong and nice doesn't make a weak character. Just like wearing eye liner, long coats, and having a reluctance about being hero doesn't make a strong character.

There are a lot of confused and unimaginative people out there, and the internet has given them a voice. Bummer!

I honestly don't have a problem with people not liking Superman. Differing tastes and all that. What I do have a problem with is that a lot of the reasons people give for not liking Superman are not only misguided but flat out wrong. Misinformation about his powers, his vulnerabilities, his personality, his identity, his relationships, etc. If you're going to not like something make sure you know what it is you're not liking.

That's what I said, only not as antagonising.

But also, you think "magic" is one of Superman's weaknesses... Shyeah, whatever THAT's supposed to mean. :ermaceyeroll:

Exactly, a lot of Superman haters are often ignorant I've noticed thru out the years on the actual character and his background. Like that comment about "Batman having a much worse past, while Superman didn't" ummm yeah...because finding out later on that your home world was destroyed along with your biological parents is such a great thing to live with lol. I'll admit being that I'm adopted myself, Clark had some luck with his upbringing with the kents and all that but at the same time he's still different and had it rough tryint to fit in being from a distant planet with insane powers etc. One thing Batman among other heroes had no problem doing really being from earth for the most part.

It's like TTT said, everyone has their own preference for liking or disliking a character but at the same time those who hate that character should at the very least know correct facts and knowledge of the character instead of false assumptions due to personal bias.

What are you talking about? When did I even mention magic? Superman isn't particularly weak against magic. He just doesn't have any particular defenses against it. So his natural durability still gives him some protection.

I never liked Superman.

He was probably addressing my post(guessing) on the magic gig. You're right.

Magic does hurt him, but I see what you're saying in most cases it doesn't "kill him" but there's a lot of people out there that believe that Green K is "his only weakness" or that he's totally invulnerable as we've seen in this thread even....

Although in Smallville( and certain comics at times) they've had characters that have actually taken away his powers via magic(temporarily) but of course he'll get them back again shortly after usually.

I don't know who Sentinel is but the Silver Surfer and the Hulk aren't failures. The Hulk is an icon and the Silver Surfer is quite popular among Marvel fans and was well-recieved in the FF2 movie.

Also, I don't see a similarity between them and Superman. The Hulk, well just his strength, but that's it. And the Silver Surfer... I mean, I can't find anything similar between him and Superman except that they both fly. One is silver, uses a surf board and has cosmic powers, the other is an alien in a cape with various powers that aren't at all related.

It was "accidentally" on your clipboard with those pics of Superman making out with Gandalf. :ermaceyeroll:
(You totally bought into the magic thing on IRC a while ago.)


Because, of course, we all know magic and science-fiction characters don't play well together. Sci-fi heroes like Superman are built on certain (fantastic) rules, while magic characters are built on breaking rules. So, sure! Superman might not be able to do much against a spell turning him into a rabbit, but it's not like he's inherently flawed to forever suffer the tragic irony of a specific weakness to magic!
(Although, as the myth of Superman being too powerful permeates through a lot of new and unconfident fans, it teeters on the edge of being canonized by an industry forced to pander to the lowest common denomenator).

Common misconceptions you have also probably picked up:
- All super strong characters are deeply flawed creations until they're severly handicapped, lose their mind, or become evil
- Superman/Batman/DC icons are capes without characters
- DC's comics/history are harder to penetrate than Marvel's
- The Hulk grows infinitely stronger without limit
- Brand New Day has been a good thing
- Fifties comics are instantly funny
- Most superhero movies (other than Catwoman/FF) were bad
- Nirvana songs all sound different

I know about Hulk having his own success(I also said that btw in that same post after the part where you quoted me I believe) but what I'm saying is that in terms of "insanely powerful" characters to those straight up Marvel fans that mock or hate Superman(not saying you or anyone in particular just in general), it's not like they don't have any similar like "godlike" characters with lots of power because they do.

As for Sentinel....Sentinel was an utter failure, it's so bad that he even has an "S" of his own on his chest....think of a Barbie, blond Superman that's Sentinel...

Superman and SS powerwise are similar yet different at the same time but they're similar in the fact that they're both insanely powerful, can fly, were from another world and are near to impossible to destroy or hurt.

I don't know many SS fans who were extremely pleased with SS in the movie(perhaps because the overall movie kind of wasn't that good) but will admit he did look pretty cool on screen. Most super powered heroes do both DC and Marvel usually. Although, I thought the Hulk looked way too cartoony personally IMO in the first movie.

You mean The Sentry; who's currently starring in the top-ten selling, Mighty Avengers.


(The Sentinel was the name used briefly by the golden age Green Lantern through the 90s.)

Thank you lol, god I always get Sentry and Sentinel confused... was just about to correct myself looking his profile up on google. Speaking of which here's his link QS(the bitch) if you're curious. So, yeah Mick's right QS and I said the wrong name for the character I'm referring to. But Mick, that's not the same Sentinel I was getting confused with but rather Marvel's Sentinel's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_(comics)


On Sentry doing well now, that's interesting to see but overall I'd say he's not really "that original" given the feedback on the character when he was created but hey to each his own man.
Sentry(Robert Reynolds) though, yes, yes is who I'm indeed referring to.



Here's his link Marvel site to the Sentry I'm referring to(there's a few different ones)

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sentry_(Robert_Reynolds)

Reading that article, it's clear the author hates the stereotype of Superman more than the character himself. And it's very easy to hate the stereotype of Superman. The "flawless, all-powerful, boyscout." What a tool.
It also doesn't really help that Superman attracts a lot of fans who...if you were to ask them why they think Superman is so great, they'll likely respond with "Because he's the strongest" and/or "Because he came first. of course, not all Superman fans are like this...and truth be told, every character has those types of fans...but it is aggravating when you have an overzealous dickweed bragging about how great Superman is, merely because his dick is bigger than everyone else's.

Me personally, I don't care much for Superman...but he doesn't bother me that much either. The only times I ever find myself hating Superman is when he's portrayed as an unbeatable god (like when Jeph Loeb writes him, for example) or when writers try to make me feel bad for him. Like when he whines and broods about he isn't human and he feels isolated being the last Kryptonian...even though he isn't. I mean, it's one thing to try to get me to sympathize with him...but you expect me to feel sorry for Super-fucking-man? Most powerful guy on the planet and I'm supposed to pity him? My ass.

That aside, Superman doesn't necessarily bother me. But I'll take Wonder Woman or Batman over him any day.


SENTRY, though....he needs to fucking die. The sooner the better. I hate that he...and he alone...was the only one to match the Hulk in World War Hulk. So every character in the Marvel universe except Hulk and Sentry sucks. And I'm really pissed that they had him make a total ass out of Dr. Doom. Not cool. Sentry needs to die...and Doom needs to kill him.

Superman's portrayal in All-Star Superman is pretty cool.

I like the messianic quality of the character.

I can see how you'd do that. I know I always confuse caped superheroes with armies of giant robots!...


One of the fun "mini-games" on Secret Wars on Infinite Earths is the stress test of whether or not characters like Batman or Superman are as unbeatable and super as some think. I suppose discussion about characters that pre-date Superman is just bonus.

It was just the names Sentinels/Sentry....we all make mistakes, nobodys perfect.