Would the return of unpopular characters really cause MKX to flop?
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posted11/03/2014 11:53 AM (UTC)by
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DG1OA
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Truth be told, what I'm about to say applies to all fighting games in development, but I'll stick to MKX.

People really act as if bringing back any unpopular characters would have disastrous consequences on the game's sales. You get those saying they won't play the game if X character returns. Come on, really?

Am I supposed to believe that with Scorpion and Sub-Zero back, along with other popular characters like Goro, Quan Chi, Kano and Raiden, and more on the way, that the less popular characters would repel people away? Like somehow, the fan-favorites' drawing power is nothing compared to the hated ones' lack of appeal?

There's no reason NRS shouldn't take a chance with at least a few unpopular characters like Ashrah and Darrius, as they've already brought back enough popular characters. Besides, I'm pretty sure Tanya and Nightwolf weren't hugely requested for MKD. The developers took a chance, and now they're more popular. It can be done again.

Something people should take in consideration for their hated characters: MK is a series of violent fighting games where you get to kill your opponents in intensely gruesome ways. You can kill your hated characters over, and over. I'm glad Scorpion's back for that reason, and it's also why I'd like to have Kobra back, as there are already many interesting characters with interesting movesets and fatalities to unleash on him.
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10/28/2014 04:04 PM (UTC)
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No, because most people that will buy the game will probably not know who the unpopular characters are. As long as recognisable characters Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Raiden are in the roster then most people that buy will be satisfied.
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10/28/2014 05:45 PM (UTC)
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Darrius was deconfirmed by Boon months ago.

They made Kano interesting the game will sell fine
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10/28/2014 08:04 PM (UTC)
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I think that some of them could be redeemed possibly if they received a major overhaul like Stryker. I hated him until Armageddon when he looked better but he got even better with MK 2011, plus he had a great voice actor. Some like Hsu Hao, Li Mei, Drahmin, Darrius, Kobra, and Kira for example are terrible characters and didn't fit in with the series in my opinion. I'm sure others will disagree with me but that is what I think. I do hope to see some from DA and Deception come back. For example; Kenshi, Hotaru, Ashrah.
MK4 my choices would be Kai, Fujin, and Reiko and Shinnok
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10/28/2014 08:25 PM (UTC)
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BADASS6669 Wrote:
Darrius was deconfirmed by Boon months ago.


Says who?
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Brutemaster
10/28/2014 10:02 PM (UTC)
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SwingBatta Wrote:
BADASS6669 Wrote:
Darrius was deconfirmed by Boon months ago.


Says who?


This.

If he was deconfirmed, he would be in Boon's "Dead Pool". No other characters have been added since Kratos and Batman.
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10/28/2014 10:17 PM (UTC)
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No, because of the mandatory Scorpion and Sub-Zero masturbation satisfying most of the fans, that should be enough to ensure early sales.
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10/28/2014 10:21 PM (UTC)
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Having returning unpopular characters in this game would not be the single cause of the game to flop.

There would have to be more that would contribute for the game to have poor sales.
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10/28/2014 10:25 PM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
People really act as if bringing back any unpopular characters would have disastrous consequences on the game's sales. You get those saying they won't play the game if X character returns. Come on, really?


I have not read anything as such, but, I have read that if someone's favorite is not in the game, they won't buy it.

You can kill your hated characters over, and over. I'm glad Scorpion's back for that reason, and it's also why I'd like to have Kobra back, as there are already many interesting characters with interesting movesets and fatalities to unleash on him.


Even if Kobra (was to return), had a revamped designed and more kick-ass, you would still hate on him?

In that case if he does return, I hope he proves you wrong!
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10/28/2014 11:03 PM (UTC)
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Definitely not. Case and point would be Stryker. He certainly wasn't a very popular choice but MK9 allowed him to became a higher tiered character on the popularity poll.
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10/28/2014 11:49 PM (UTC)
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I'd like to think that Boon and company have learned their lesson with the likes of Hsu Hao, Dairou, Kira, Kobra, Kai, Darrius, Jarek, Drahmin, and to a lesser extent, people like Frost, Hotaru, and Reiko. These characters were poorly received because they added little to nothing to the story, and had bland and uninspired concepts. They didn't cause their respective games to flop by any means, but they were definitely not highlights of the game.

If they do re-introduce some of the unpopular characters, I would hope that they would spend a little more creativity on them in order to make them memorable and relevant. The characters they've revealed have all been promising so far...
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10/29/2014 12:07 AM (UTC)
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Dervis Wrote:
I'd like to think that Boon and company have learned their lesson with the likes of Hsu Hao, Dairou, Kira, Kobra, Kai, Darrius, Jarek, Drahmin, and to a lesser extent, people like Frost, Hotaru, and Reiko. These characters were poorly received because they added little to nothing to the story, and had bland and uninspired concepts. They didn't cause their respective games to flop by any means, but they were definitely not highlights of the game.

If they do re-introduce some of the unpopular characters, I would hope that they would spend a little more creativity on them in order to make them memorable and relevant. The characters they've revealed have all been promising so far...


Many of those guys you mention are actually cool. BTW, Hotaru is an awesome character.
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10/29/2014 12:55 AM (UTC)
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Not if they revamp them well enough in terms of moveset, story and look. Anyway It'd take a lot more than just that for MKX to flop.

Brutemaster Wrote:
SwingBatta Wrote:
BADASS6669 Wrote:
Darrius was deconfirmed by Boon months ago.


Says who?


This.

If he was deconfirmed, he would be in Boon's "Dead Pool". No other characters have been added since Kratos and Batman.


That's because no one checks or updates it or his twitter. Darrius wasn't deconfirmed to my knowledge but I think Chameleon and Zebron (Haha) were recently deconfirmed.
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10/29/2014 09:53 AM (UTC)
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It would take a lot for MKX to flop at this point. The hype surrounding it, being released on four home systems, plus PC means that the majority of gamers will have access to it (sorry NIntendo fans). This game looks like it will take the very well received MK9 and expand on everything. A flop at this point would be a huge surprise.

That being said, a few less well received characters from the franchises past being included would certainly not do it any harm. It's up to the developers who they'd want to give a "second shot" to and invest the time in to redeem themselves so to speak. Even if lots of fans demand a certain not-so-well received character from the past, doesn't mean any one on the NRS team has any interest in reviving them. Even if they did, it wouldn't hurt sales. The big boys are already there.
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10/29/2014 12:09 PM (UTC)
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klimax Wrote:


Retard mudman Scorpion? no thanks.
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10/29/2014 01:24 PM (UTC)
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DG1OA Wrote:
Would the return of unpopular characters really cause MKX to flop?


This would never happen for THAT reason.

Fortunately, the people who play Mortal Kombat for it's gameplay outweighs the folks who just play it for the story (not evident in this board though).
And even then, it would just come down to "fuck it, I'll just won't play as them anymore" as it happens in every fighting game.
You don't like them? Don't play as them. Move on.

MKX's roster could be filled with all the new Deadly Alliance - Deception characters revamped. You people will bitch about it for story reasons, but hell if the gameplay ain't sweet as fuck.

Gameplay wise, I feel that NetherRealm Studios proved with Mortal Kombat that they can take an unpopular character and make them interesting.
Before Mortal Kombat (2011), I would play as a few characters in past MK games. The previous "Mortal Kombat" game however? There's only a few characters I have not personally learned in that entire roster.
So when I random select against my friend's, it's rare for me to go "Shit, I don't know this character. You're so going to win". And that game has caused me to break out of my shell and learned more characters in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, making me enjoy UMK3 more than I ever did many years ago.

If MKX flops for "character related reasons", it would be because people couldn't handle the change of direction of the "new generation of characters" this game is going for. And I find that sad.
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10/29/2014 02:25 PM (UTC)
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Ion3008 Wrote:
That's because no one checks or updates it or his twitter. Darrius wasn't deconfirmed to my knowledge but I think Chameleon and Zebron (Haha) were recently deconfirmed.


All you have to do is check the MK character page on Wikipedia (NOT the MK Wiki) to check on who's in and out because folks want to be the first to announce it. Neither Chameleon nor Darrius have yet been deconfirmed.

This is not directed at you but I really wish people here and everywhere would get over their boner for Zebron. He was a 100% joke who has zero chance of appearing in any games.
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10/29/2014 04:22 PM (UTC)
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The OP's question makes me wonder if a lot out there realistically believe that NRS wouldn't bring back a character or certain characters because they think it would hurt sales or simply wouldn't be as well received by the fanbase or buyers at large.

I sincerely doubt that's why they bench certain characters, just as I don't think that fan demand is a large determining factor in bringing characters back.

My guess is that the creators have the characters that they like, ideas for concepts (both fighting system and characters themselves, new or existing) and a story they want to tell and those combine in to determining the roster.

If some on the dev team look at certain characters as bad concepts or simply ones that don't fit what they're doing right now, we might not see them short term or long term.

Plus, a new game could simply mean that devs might prefer to try something new that's theirs, rather than try and spend the time fixing or altogether reimagining an old concept that might not have been theirs to begin with, just to try and shoehorn it in to what they're trying to do in the next game.

Seems like an awful lot of work to do on top of creating 3 unique styles, several fatalities etc. That said, I'd love to see a lot of the 3D era characters return.
SwingBatta Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:
That's because no one checks or updates it or his twitter. Darrius wasn't deconfirmed to my knowledge but I think Chameleon and Zebron (Haha) were recently deconfirmed.


All you have to do is check the MK character page on Wikipedia (NOT the MK Wiki) to check on who's in and out because folks want to be the first to announce it. Neither Chameleon nor Darrius have yet been deconfirmed.

This is not directed at you but I really wish people here and everywhere would get over their boner for Zebron. He was a 100% joke who has zero chance of appearing in any games.


I'll never get over my boner for Zebron, never ever. He has SOOO much untapped potential.

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I'm not serious about wanting Zebron back but If we had to have a joke character I'd rather it be Meat.
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10/31/2014 10:48 AM (UTC)
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11/03/2014 11:53 AM (UTC)
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MK-Noob Wrote:
Dervis Wrote:
I'd like to think that Boon and company have learned their lesson with the likes of Hsu Hao, Dairou, Kira, Kobra, Kai, Darrius, Jarek, Drahmin, and to a lesser extent, people like Frost, Hotaru, and Reiko. These characters were poorly received because they added little to nothing to the story, and had bland and uninspired concepts. They didn't cause their respective games to flop by any means, but they were definitely not highlights of the game.

If they do re-introduce some of the unpopular characters, I would hope that they would spend a little more creativity on them in order to make them memorable and relevant. The characters they've revealed have all been promising so far...


Many of those guys you mention are actually cool. BTW, Hotaru is an awesome character.



YES, thanks Hotaru is awesome, and I loved MKD back in the day (my only reason to buy a console) were he had some story for him. Yeah not a main role, but those places are taken by old characters (and some new ones this time, like ferra/torr).

BTW I like Dairou and Reiko for the looks. Thay may have some stupid looking moves to them, but in a new game that surely can be fixed with some new ideas.
Yeah they may not have some huge story influence, but hey; this is a figthing game. The main thing for a character is to be a figther, if that works we can talk about his role in the story. That's how I see it.
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