On and off options for sexual themes, nudity, violonce, blood, gore, and etc.
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Sadistic_Freak
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Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.
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01/14/2010 08:20 PM (UTC)
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Or the violence could just stay at it's current level. I've said it before, but MK's violence is "fist-bump" violence. Subby ripping a spine, or Liu turning into a dragon are cool. I'm not denying that they're violent, but it's in the same vein as a Shaw Bros. film or the Terminator series. It's over the top, campy fun. Genital mutilation and sexual assault and whatnot are decidedly not "fist-bump" violence.

But since you're dead set on MK utilizing these themes, I recommend mugen.
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01/14/2010 08:24 PM (UTC)
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Sadistic_Freak wrote: "Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle."


Whoa.

Blades shoved in intimate parts? Castration? Eating people in intimate places?

In another thread, I said something about American's sexual repression. I think that alarm is kinda going off for me right now because I don't think that we'll ever see a game that'll get an M rating that involves castration, people eating each other's intimate places etc and no toggle switch is going to change that.

Could you imagine some dumb parent buys this game for their 13 year old kid without doing research on it, the kid "miraculously" figured out how to turn on this mystical, rubix cube of a puzzle known as the "toggle switch" and then the parent walks in later to find their kid watching as Mileena is eating Kano's naked genetalia. You know, actually chewing on it while it's exposed, with the blood and innards etc.

I mean, that's basically what we're talking about here, right? I didn't misread you when you said "eating people in intimate places," right?

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people that thought Elvis was offensive back in the 1950's couldn't even conceive of a group like Slayer existing. But even still, I can't imagine that ever being acceptable viewing content in a main stream video game.

Toggle switch or not, Wal-Mart is never carrying that game. Best Buy is never carrying that game. Gamestop probably wouldn't even carry that game. And if those big 3 retailers won't carry it, then that game won't get made. It's really that simple.

Slightly off the subject, but this whole thread kinda begs the question... Umm, why... Why would you actually... Want to see someone eat someone elses genitals? Why would you want to see a guy get a blade to his genitals? Or a woman for that matter? Castration? Again... Why would you want to see this in a video game? Why would you want to see it at all?

I know that I'm probably overstepping some boundary here or whatever, but, you couple these ideas with the rape ideas and what not and well, that seems kinda messed up.

I don't even remotely know Ed Boon, but I could never imagine him making a game like the one you seem to want.
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01/14/2010 09:07 PM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:

In another thread, I said something about American's sexual repression. I think that alarm is kinda going off for me right now because I don't think that we'll ever see a game that'll get an M rating that involves castration, people eating each other's intimate places etc and no toggle switch is going to change that.



Hold the phone, Dora. There's a huge difference between sexual repression and the kind of stuff being talked about in this thread.
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01/14/2010 09:24 PM (UTC)
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I'm not trying to start an argument here, but couldn't you have posted this in your other thread that basically deals with the same topic?
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01/14/2010 09:55 PM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak wrote: "Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle."


Whoa.

Blades shoved in intimate parts? Castration? Eating people in intimate places?

In another thread, I said something about American's sexual repression. I think that alarm is kinda going off for me right now because I don't think that we'll ever see a game that'll get an M rating that involves castration, people eating each other's intimate places etc and no toggle switch is going to change that.

Could you imagine some dumb parent buys this game for their 13 year old kid without doing research on it, the kid "miraculously" figured out how to turn on this mystical, rubix cube of a puzzle known as the "toggle switch" and then the parent walks in later to find their kid watching as Mileena is eating Kano's naked genetalia. You know, actually chewing on it while it's exposed, with the blood and innards etc.

I mean, that's basically what we're talking about here, right? I didn't misread you when you said "eating people in intimate places," right?

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people that thought Elvis was offensive back in the 1950's couldn't even conceive of a group like Slayer existing. But even still, I can't imagine that ever being acceptable viewing content in a main stream video game.

Toggle switch or not, Wal-Mart is never carrying that game. Best Buy is never carrying that game. Gamestop probably wouldn't even carry that game. And if those big 3 retailers won't carry it, then that game won't get made. It's really that simple.

Slightly off the subject, but this whole thread kinda begs the question... Umm, why... Why would you actually... Want to see someone eat someone elses genitals? Why would you want to see a guy get a blade to his genitals? Or a woman for that matter? Castration? Again... Why would you want to see this in a video game? Why would you want to see it at all?

I know that I'm probably overstepping some boundary here or whatever, but, you couple these ideas with the rape ideas and what not and well, that seems kinda messed up.

I don't even remotely know Ed Boon, but I could never imagine him making a game like the one you seem to want.

@Grimm: Starting a new forum will help me read others' ideas more easily.

@Baraka407: Not only it should be an options mode but it should be a secret code for Action Replay or Cadebreaker to perform those fatalities. And I'd want to see those happen to a video game because it'll make the game more darker and wilder. Plus, players like me would love to make ryona videos on characters. It'd be fun. grin Infact, Boon has already created something of what I wanted. However, I'd want more of it in the future with my favorite characters especially Jade. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBAA82zCLwY
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01/14/2010 10:29 PM (UTC)
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My desire for sexual content/nudity depends on whether the devs would make it solely for the male fans or not.

They have done little to make the male chars provocative up to this point, so I'd prefer they keep the sexual content restricted just to be on the safe side.

The last thing I want in MK is some bullshit demeaning material, like in God of War or Grand Theft Auto.

Basically, I just think it's a bad idea. It could be part of someone's bio or ending or whatever, but as part of the gameplay... no.

That's not the kind of treatment the series needs to make a successful comeback anyway.
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01/14/2010 11:01 PM (UTC)
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The gore and themes this game has is fine where it's at. Basically, as what the others are say, they're right. It's a bad add-on to put Sexual Themes and Nudity to put into a game that has no need for it.

In a biography of the character, possibly, but in the game itself and it's viewable. Nope.

And I'm not going to get all discripty or anything like that, I'm just going to conclude with, "It's a bad idea to make the game suddenly have an AO rating when a Mature rating is suitable enough."
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01/14/2010 11:13 PM (UTC)
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realistically i think there are limits to put such themes in game play but i could see some fatalities like the one from MK:A that sadistic left the link to of the shish ka bob or even the tearing of clothes to reveal topless or at least half topless characters idea. i don't see anything wrong with it really and the toggle would be nice for anything in the game because than the player can customize its playability to ones liking. if things like rape and castration were to be in the game in any form it should be done through text of story or even only suggested that it happened through visuals. meaning that the actual sex act not be shown but the outcome is...for instance if a girl character was raped than show her curled up naked in a dark corner crying or something. the actual showing of the act would be considered as an AO rating. in other games the actual sex acts where not shown in full and if some of the acts were shown there was no nudity(Dragon Age:Origins for example). in GTA4 the prostitutes and dancers did not show nudity and truthfully i think that they could have shown more...at the least topless girls. its realistic for a gentlemens club to see topless dancers so why not?
point is...the issue of sex in games will be pushed sooner or later why not let MK be the one to do it? not to mention sex does sell. like i said though...there are some limits and i would not suggest crossing the line because the esrb will slap an AO on it and it is clear that the MK team wants to push the M yes but not cross the line.
on and off toggle options should be a thing of the future for gaming in my opinion. truthfully the more freedom of choice in games we have the more we can adapt to playing them without complaints.
this topic makes me wonder about a killer instinct 3 and if orchid will finally show her breasts to the world lol.
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01/15/2010 12:56 AM (UTC)
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LycaniLLusion Wrote:
realistically i think there are limits to put such themes in game play but i could see some fatalities like the one from MK:A that sadistic left the link to of the shish ka bob or even the tearing of clothes to reveal topless or at least half topless characters idea. i don't see anything wrong with it really and the toggle would be nice for anything in the game because than the player can customize its playability to ones liking. if things like rape and castration were to be in the game in any form it should be done through text of story or even only suggested that it happened through visuals. meaning that the actual sex act not be shown but the outcome is...for instance if a girl character was raped than show her curled up naked in a dark corner crying or something. the actual showing of the act would be considered as an AO rating. in other games the actual sex acts where not shown in full and if some of the acts were shown there was no nudity(Dragon Age:Origins for example). in GTA4 the prostitutes and dancers did not show nudity and truthfully i think that they could have shown more...at the least topless girls. its realistic for a gentlemens club to see topless dancers so why not?
point is...the issue of sex in games will be pushed sooner or later why not let MK be the one to do it? not to mention sex does sell. like i said though...there are some limits and i would not suggest crossing the line because the esrb will slap an AO on it and it is clear that the MK team wants to push the M yes but not cross the line.
on and off toggle options should be a thing of the future for gaming in my opinion. truthfully the more freedom of choice in games we have the more we can adapt to playing them without complaints.
this topic makes me wonder about a killer instinct 3 and if orchid will finally show her breasts to the world lol.


I guess I agree with this. We'll let MK itself push the limits. In the mean time, I'll just still share my ideas even if it doesn't really happen in the game.
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01/15/2010 01:35 AM (UTC)
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Honestly, I wouldn't want nudity in any video games. There is no need for it.
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01/15/2010 03:17 AM (UTC)
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Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.


Wow castration, and eating others intimate parts. What the hell is wrong with you. Just joking where all sick here.

But seriously there are very few people who would want to see that. If I see somebody get hit in the nuts it makes me squirm.(Then again I'm a male) I think there is a line between seeing gore for entertainment, and just trying to shock people. And the way they've done it in the past worked best for me.
Either way your idea will never happen, because even with an off option the game would still be rated AO and that would be video game suicide if they went in that direction.

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01/15/2010 03:22 AM (UTC)
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jbthrash Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.


Wow castration, and eating others intimate parts. What the hell is wrong with you. Just joking we're all sick here.

But seriously there are very few people who would want to see that. If I see somebody get hit in the nuts it makes me squirm.(Then again I'm a male) I think there is a line between seeing gore for entertainment, and just trying to shock people. And the way they've done it in the past worked best for me.
Either way your idea will never happen, because even with an off option the game would still be rated AO and that would be video game suicide if they went in that direction.



Well, we can just hope for the best.
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01/15/2010 05:14 AM (UTC)
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Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.

Those ideas are downright disgusting. Very few would buy that game
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01/15/2010 05:10 PM (UTC)
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Nic-V Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.

Those ideas are downright disgusting. Very few would buy that game


well you are right to say it is disgusting and a bit much but technically some of it could be watered down or made humorous to fit an M rating. the castration on the other hand is way too much...showing male genitalia would make it an instant AO rating, toggle or not. they want to push the M rating not get slapped with an AO...so yeah i think sadistic has a select taste and is just posting for fantasy because that stuff will never happen. the most experienced gamers i know would guarantee it. i get it that shock factor is wanted (i want shock factor myself) but there is a difference between shock and repulsive. i want to see extreme gore and detail but not male anatomy being held up like a trophy. This is Mortal Kombat not the Return of Lorena Bobbit.
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01/15/2010 05:47 PM (UTC)
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LycaniLLusion Wrote:
Nic-V Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.

Those ideas are downright disgusting. Very few would buy that game


well you are right to say it is disgusting and a bit much but technically some of it could be watered down or made humorous to fit an M rating. the castration on the other hand is way too much...showing male genitalia would make it an instant AO rating, toggle or not. they want to push the M rating not get slapped with an AO...so yeah i think sadistic has a select taste and is just posting for fantasy because that stuff will never happen. the most experienced gamers i know would guarantee it. i get it that shock factor is wanted (i want shock factor myself) but there is a difference between shock and repulsive. i want to see extreme gore and detail but not male anatomy being held up like a trophy. This is Mortal Kombat not the Return of Lorena Bobbit.


You know, they don't need to show the penis itself. For instance, Mileena bites off Cage's groin but its already in her mouth and not showing in the screen. Plus, she could continue her way up the opponent's body, showing the intestines instead but not not showing the penis because she already ate it in one gulp. Get it?
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01/15/2010 06:11 PM (UTC)
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Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
LycaniLLusion Wrote:
Nic-V Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.

Those ideas are downright disgusting. Very few would buy that game


well you are right to say it is disgusting and a bit much but technically some of it could be watered down or made humorous to fit an M rating. the castration on the other hand is way too much...showing male genitalia would make it an instant AO rating, toggle or not. they want to push the M rating not get slapped with an AO...so yeah i think sadistic has a select taste and is just posting for fantasy because that stuff will never happen. the most experienced gamers i know would guarantee it. i get it that shock factor is wanted (i want shock factor myself) but there is a difference between shock and repulsive. i want to see extreme gore and detail but not male anatomy being held up like a trophy. This is Mortal Kombat not the Return of Lorena Bobbit.


You know, they don't need to show the penis itself. For instance, Mileena bites off Cage's groin but its already in her mouth and not showing in the screen. Plus, she could continue her way up the opponent's body, showing the intestines instead but not not showing the penis because she already ate it in one gulp. Get it?


i get it...that is what i meant by watering down. the thing is to that is it makes it look a bit silly or odd. i mean how is she going to approach the execution of such a finisher? what is she going to get on all 4's and crawl like a dog and go to town on his crotch...meh i don't like it. the game is a fantasy game yes but i think a lot of people will agree that to do such a fatality it would have to be doctored to look humorous to fit and most people that are dedicated fans want a serious MK game. not only that but the lack of detail in such a finisher would make it unattractive.
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01/16/2010 02:45 AM (UTC)
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OptimusGrime Wrote:
In another thread, I said something about American's sexual repression. I think that alarm is kinda going off for me right now because I don't think that we'll ever see a game that'll get an M rating that involves castration, people eating each other's intimate places etc and no toggle switch is going to change that.


I don't think America the one who's sexually repressed around here.
Enough of this sex in Mortal Kombat shit. The last thing it needs is more evidence that it caters to the most deprived, immature and easy-to-please demographic of the video game spectrum.
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01/16/2010 04:22 AM (UTC)
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LycaniLLusion Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
LycaniLLusion Wrote:
Nic-V Wrote:
Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
Someone mentioned an on and off menu for nudity and other things that make a game almost an AO rating. Well, here's the forum to talk about that.

Basically, I'd definitely want fatalities to be taken to the next level with blades being shoved in intimate parts, castration, one eating up the other in intimate places and etc. But if other players don't want that, the next game should have an option to turn all those contents off and it should appear RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS. So everyone could be happy with what they are playing with so it won't be too much or too less for them to handle.

Those ideas are downright disgusting. Very few would buy that game


well you are right to say it is disgusting and a bit much but technically some of it could be watered down or made humorous to fit an M rating. the castration on the other hand is way too much...showing male genitalia would make it an instant AO rating, toggle or not. they want to push the M rating not get slapped with an AO...so yeah i think sadistic has a select taste and is just posting for fantasy because that stuff will never happen. the most experienced gamers i know would guarantee it. i get it that shock factor is wanted (i want shock factor myself) but there is a difference between shock and repulsive. i want to see extreme gore and detail but not male anatomy being held up like a trophy. This is Mortal Kombat not the Return of Lorena Bobbit.


You know, they don't need to show the penis itself. For instance, Mileena bites off Cage's groin but its already in her mouth and not showing in the screen. Plus, she could continue her way up the opponent's body, showing the intestines instead but not not showing the penis because she already ate it in one gulp. Get it?


i get it...that is what i meant by watering down. the thing is to that is it makes it look a bit silly or odd. i mean how is she going to approach the execution of such a finisher? what is she going to get on all 4's and crawl like a dog and go to town on his crotch...meh i don't like it. the game is a fantasy game yes but i think a lot of people will agree that to do such a fatality it would have to be doctored to look humorous to fit and most people that are dedicated fans want a serious MK game. not only that but the lack of detail in such a finisher would make it unattractive.


Well, she can take him down to the ground first, takes off her mask while laughing like a maniac, and then she can go on all her fours and eat him up from down the groin and up to the neck. She eats him up like a dog or a wolf. While doing that, she rips out the organs with her hands and eats them up in a very messy manner. To make it sexier, she bites off the head at the end and then says "Mmmm heh heh heh..." like what she does in her MKD fatality and wipes the blood all over the front of her body with her hands in a sexy way.
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01/16/2010 07:03 AM (UTC)
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I'm sorry, but that's just not sexy at all.
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01/16/2010 07:08 AM (UTC)
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Why is this even a discussion? Nothing like this would ever make it into a Mortal Kombat game, nor should it. The link you provided shows a move that clearly was not meant to be considered sexual in any way, shape or form. It's humorous. They put not emphasis on it, it's just one quick motion. The fact that people are willing to let their minds go with that is something else, however.

Mortal Kombat's gore was meant to be strictly entertainment. It was not created for people with gore, sexual fetishes. I'm sure there are forums in the dark corners of the internet to discuss your fetish with others of a similar taste.

Something like this won't make it into Mortal Kombat. Period. Therefor, this conversation is simply a discussion of a fetish. There's no point in discussing this in relation to Mortal Kombat. The game wasn't created so people could machinima youtube videos to get off to.

I'm all for shock factor, but I don't want that shock to be the realization that someone could be getting aroused while I'm fighting them online.
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01/16/2010 08:10 PM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
Enough of this sex in Mortal Kombat shit. The last thing it needs is more evidence that it caters to the most deprived, immature and easy-to-please demographic of the video game spectrum.


^THIS. Agree 100%. Plus, it's just not needed. It would do more harm to the series than good.
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Sadistic_Freak
01/16/2010 08:43 PM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:
Why is this even a discussion? Nothing like this would ever make it into a Mortal Kombat game, nor should it. The link you provided shows a move that clearly was not meant to be considered sexual in any way, shape or form. It's humorous. They put not emphasis on it, it's just one quick motion. The fact that people are willing to let their minds go with that is something else, however.

Mortal Kombat's gore was meant to be strictly entertainment. It was not created for people with gore, sexual fetishes. I'm sure there are forums in the dark corners of the internet to discuss your fetish with others of a similar taste.

Something like this won't make it into Mortal Kombat. Period. Therefor, this conversation is simply a discussion of a fetish. There's no point in discussing this in relation to Mortal Kombat. The game wasn't created so people could machinima youtube videos to get off to.

I'm all for shock factor, but I don't want that shock to be the realization that someone could be getting aroused while I'm fighting them online.


As I said before, we never know if it will be made in the next MK or not. Things happen unexpectedly. wink
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01/17/2010 01:22 AM (UTC)
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Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
LucaTurilli Wrote:
Why is this even a discussion? Nothing like this would ever make it into a Mortal Kombat game, nor should it. The link you provided shows a move that clearly was not meant to be considered sexual in any way, shape or form. It's humorous. They put not emphasis on it, it's just one quick motion. The fact that people are willing to let their minds go with that is something else, however.

Mortal Kombat's gore was meant to be strictly entertainment. It was not created for people with gore, sexual fetishes. I'm sure there are forums in the dark corners of the internet to discuss your fetish with others of a similar taste.

Something like this won't make it into Mortal Kombat. Period. Therefor, this conversation is simply a discussion of a fetish. There's no point in discussing this in relation to Mortal Kombat. The game wasn't created so people could machinima youtube videos to get off to.

I'm all for shock factor, but I don't want that shock to be the realization that someone could be getting aroused while I'm fighting them online.


As I said before, we never know if it will be made in the next MK or not. Things happen unexpectedly. wink


I can 100% guarantee you that they won't be puttin that stuff in the next MK.
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01/17/2010 08:00 AM (UTC)
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Sadistic_Freak Wrote:
To make it sexier, she bites off the head at the end and then says "Mmmm heh heh heh..." like what she does in her MKD fatality and wipes the blood all over the front of her body with her hands in a sexy way.



Or, to make it even sexier than that, she straddles her downed opponent. She then removes her undergarments revealing the Tarkatan like teeth in her vag. Her vag teeth devour the opponent's midsection.
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