Ultimachu Wrote:


4 more good over neutral, 4 more more neutral over evil. No, it's really not that huge of a deal. Good characters drowning the roster would be 18 good, 4 neutral and 2 evil. The numbers are not that drastic.

Windice Wrote:


Well when the neutral work with the good to beat the evil it's off balance.

WeaponTheory Wrote:




Fuck, that game was such shit, no wonder I had to ask.

But yeah, Sektor shot rockets first in MK3.
Jax had a FIRE projectile in MK3.

I don't know what FROID is talking about.

Ultimachu Wrote:


Good characters:

(1)Johnny Cage
(2)Cassie Cage
(3)Sonya Blade + Special Forces
(4)Jax
(5)Jacqui
(6)Kung Jin
(7)Takeda
(8)Raiden
(9)Kenshi
(10)Fujin

Neutral Characters:
(1)Kotal Kahn + Outworld Army
(2)Erron Black
(3)D'Vorah
(5)Ferra/Torr
(6)Reptile
(7)Ermac
(8)Scorpion
(9)Sub-Zero

Evil Characters:
(1)Shinnok
(2)Quan-Chi + Netherrealm Demons
(3)Mileena + Tarkatan Army
(4)Kung Lao
(5)Liu Kang
(6)Kitana
(7)Kabal
(8)Striker
(9)Sindel
(10)Smoke
(11)Rain
(12) Baraka

... Too many good characters, huh? Seems legit.

Ultimachu Wrote:


No it's not because we see clearly in the trailers Ermac, Erron, Reptile and Kotal's men attacking Cassie, Jacqui, Jin and Takeda. Obviously, their alliance isn't permanent hence the reason they are neutral characters. It's not unbalanced.

sharefrock Wrote:


I believe you are wrong, It's not "the downfall of the chapter-based storytelling".

The system is very good but the writing team can't do a good job and would rather be lazy and just make the bad guys punching bags and always lose.

Why is it so hard to let you play a match Jacqui vs Ermac in Jacqui's chapter where in the gameplay you win but after the gameplay Ermac gets up and fucks Jacqui's day up and knock her ass to the ground, have her being saved by someone else and show that Ermac can NOT be defeated by just Jacqui.

You get to play and complete your goal in gameplay and you also get to show that Ermac is a badass.

I don't see the problem with that but like I said, the writing team are just lazy and would rather have the good guys look good and the bad guys be punching bags for them.

It's degrading to see Ermac getting his ass kicked or in MK9 to see characters like Reptile/Baraka/Shang Tsung getting their ass kicked left and right without them showing us that those characters can actually hold their own in a fight.

Most casual fans left the story of MK9 saying "Wow! Reptile and Ermac are really weak characters" Which is simply not true. But you can't blame them because that's what the story showed them and that's what's canon now.

Stryker beating Kintaro?!
Cyber-Sub beating BOTH Kintaro and Goro at the same time?!?!?!?!?!?!

There are lots of other matches that were complete stupidity and would simply not happen if it weren't for the lazy writers at NRS.

Johnny Cage can not defeat Scorpion and right after that Sub-zero and a few minutes later also defeats Jax and let's not forget, end it with defeating or even standing a chance against an elder god?!

Didn't Shinnok and Raiden's fight nearly destroy earth? How the fuck did Johnny Cage even stand a chance against Shinnok?

I personally think it's the writers fault not the chapter system.

Ion3008 Wrote:
Remember when Baraka had the dumb Mavado kick?

I wish I didn't

Windice Wrote:
Letting you play as the other side would be a good fix.

Ultimachu Wrote:


No it's not because we see clearly in the trailers Ermac, Erron, Reptile and Kotal's men attacking Cassie, Jacqui, Jin and Takeda. Obviously, their alliance isn't permanent hence the reason they are neutral characters. It's not unbalanced.

Spaceman Wrote:

First off the "neutral" characters are allied with the good characters and working AGAINST Mileena. That is a huge chunk of the roster. Also Erron Black, Sub Zero, and Scorpion all seem to now be permanently on the good side. They may not go to the family BBQ's but they sure as fuck aren't attacking Earthrealm. Erron Black is a little more up in the air I know, but his story line from the comics seems to be strongly hinting in that direction. Also you forgot Kitana for the good side.

Secondly, dude come on, look at that "evil" character list. We all know the revenants will eventually be freed and returned to the good side. Not to mention a huge chunk of the "evil" characters are NPC's with mere story mode cameos. You know exactly what people mean when they say too many good characters. NPC's with mere story mode cameos and endless minion/ cannon fodder don't mean jack shit. My count is five evil characters with Shinnok, Quan Chi, Mileena, Goro (if he's in story mode at all) and Kano (who you forgot). And fuck it, maaaaybe Lui Kang makes this list too since he doesn't seem like a happy camper, but even then I don't see him fighting against good characters other than Raiden.

Overall I know I'm getting massively ahead of myself and I agree with KenshiMaster16's post. The story may have many twists and turns that shake things up and turn factions that are normally allies into enemies. Thats what I'm hoping for and with the quality of chapter one being so high thats kinda what I expect. However, the way things look NOW, at this moment in time, there is an abundance of good characters and the good vs evil conflict looks incredibly lop sided.

WeaponTheory Wrote:

While I agree with most of the points you made, but a story mode where you beat an opponent in-game and lose out game is not fun and drains all the satisfaction of the player.

The recent WWE games pulled this shit.

I forgot which one was it, not the 2K series.
But I shit you not. There's a story mode for a character, where all you do is fucking get screwed over and lose your matches.

The only "satisfaction" you get is from beating the shit out of your opponent in-game, but you never get that "winning" feeling because every time you pin the opponent or meet the objective the game forces you to do, a cinematic plays and someone interrupts the match and screw you over. This happens all the fucking time, so again, your only stress relief is during in-game matches and it's gone in the instant you "win" the match.
And it happens throughout the whole story mode until the final end where you finally win the championship belt. I know it's a story build up, but as a gamer that plays to win and to see their enemy defeated, fuck that shit!

Spider804 Wrote:

Damn straight it would

Ultimachu Wrote:


How is Sub-Zero "permanently" on the good side when we SEE him and the Lin Kuei attack Cassie, Jin, Jaqcui and Takeda? Same goes for Scorpion who attacks Raiden in the comics and makes it blatantly obvious that he doesn't like him. I didn't add Kitana to the good side because she's seen fighting Jin and Cassie with Sindel and she is seen attacking Jax in the new trailer as a revenant.

For a portion of the story, yes, Kotal and his army are allied with them. But as I said to someone else, there are moments in the trailer where we see Kotal's Army, Erron, Reptile and Ermac attack Cassie, Jacqui, Jin and Takeda which proves that their alliance doesn't last long. And no, someone said "what's the threat when there are 50 million good characters?" so my list was in regards to the STORY, not the roster.

The obvious threat is Mileena, her entire army of Tarkatan, Kotal Kahn and his entire army along with Quan-Chi, his revenants AND an entire army of Netherrealm Demons. So that's three armies potentially three entire armies against the Special Forces. We may also even be able to include the Black Dragon since Kano is also with Kotal.

And even the roster, as I said in the previous post - there are 12 good characters, 8 nuetral and 4 evil excluding Goro. That's not lopsided to me, especially considering every MK game other than DA/D had rosters that had about the same ratio of good/neutral/evil characters. On an ending note, calm down. You don't have to throw curse words all over the place to try and get your point across.

WeaponTheory Wrote:


Not there either.

Windice Wrote:


Yea cus earthrealm lacks a army right? We all know kitana will be set free like the rest. Sub zero was probably just testing the kids. Scorpion does not like raiden but he has takeda. People who are being controlled are not really evil. In the past games there was way more villians. Go look. Also why should the sides be off for the majority of the game. If anything it should be the other way around.

PointGuard_Material Wrote:
I wonder if this much hate for jacqui got directed towards kung jin as well...... Because instead of another ancestor to kung lao or Liu Kang they could have easily slid Kai on the roster..

Ultimachu Wrote:
I liked Goro and Kitana's relationship too . I didn't add Goro because we still don't know if he's a part of MKX's story mode or if he's just DLC. In regards to the roster though, there's still 12 "good" characters, 8 "neutral" characters and 4 "evil" characters so I personally don't see how the heroes are taking over the roster.