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posted05/22/2014 07:16 PM (UTC)by
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sookasooka
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Hey guy i want to talk about some future lore.

I am sure that 2 things will happen surely.

First,the shujinko and onaga stuff.From the shujinko story it was apparent that his manipulation had begun a long time before the events of the first mortal kombat tournament.So we can be pretty sure that shujinko must have,by now,collected some kamidogus already and be a force to be reckoned with.

This also means that the return of onaga is inevitable.

Secondly,The armageddon thing.

We will surely see blaze.Taven was awakened during armageddon,but blaze had been doing his work well before that.Also,dagon(Taven's brother) was awakened 1000 years before taven.He also served shinnok but don't know how that will work out with the upcoming nether-realm onslaught.

There are also some things that change.

For example,Liu Kang is not here to stop shinnok.Raiden is the only one who can stop him,but i don't think that's gonna happen since he required the steroids from elder gods to beat shao kahn.

And shinnok is much more stronger than shao kahn,since he revives onaga during armageddon,just like that.

So who will stop him now?? Most of the un-introduced characters are evil.

The Deadly Alliance will no longer be formed.So we wont be seeing Lei Ming(I hope thats the correct name)

Since Lei ming only wanted to fight for her village and shujinko taught her.

Now there is no alliance,so that may not happen.

But who knows,some new villain may come up and enslave the village,even someone like hotaru.And shujinko may end up training her anyway.

Well as i said before,most of the un-introduced characters are on the evil side and the good ones will just be cannon fodder.

Another thing,The Armageddon,as predicted by Arcus and Delia,will no longer happen because most of the fighters are dead.And im talking about the main ones.The others won't make a difference.

Arcus got proved wrong lol.But someone will take blaze's power,right??

Also,im sick of seeing these overpowered bad guys that are too strong like onaga,shao kahn and shinnok.

Its about time the good guys had some overpowered dude,and Raiden won't fit that role without his elder god steroids and some dragons flying around him(Each sold separately)

So what do you guys think??

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 •05/19/2014 11:03 AM (UTC) •
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The Reason good guys don't get a super powerful guy is because it would be rather anti climatic to see the boss beaten quite easily.

I think the deadly alliance will not be formed, and while the onaga fight will happen, Raiden won't be at the first fight, and won't explode, turning into dark raiden.

Shijinko will defeat onaga, and the Blaze VS Taven VS that brother dude can happen in peace.

So after onaga, every thing will end up fine, Taven is a good dude, armagedon only happened because everyone was around and found out, but Blaze's battle can just be with taven now,and the world should be fine.

Besides, we know Shao Kahn isn't winning, thanks to Raiden's magic (I have this now) Amulet.
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 •05/21/2014 09:03 AM (UTC) •
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Yeah only problem is how they will deal with shinnok in the next game and i hope he can't just perma-resurrect guys.

He resurrected onaga in armageddon,he may resurrect shao kahn this time or something like that.
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 •05/21/2014 10:42 AM (UTC) •
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I dont think Shujinko's story happen before the first mk, but rather after mk4. Reasons:
- Kabal has already been burned, and it doesn't happen till Shao Kahn's invasion against Earthrealm in mk3.
- Sub Zero is already the Link Kuei grandmaster, Which again doesn't happen until he defeats Sector some time after mk3
- Prior to mk1 nobody really cared about Liu Kang, yet here Shao Kahn wants Tanya to trap him in a cave.
There are alot more reasons like that.

Yet MKD Konquest doesn't really make sense, if at all.
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 •05/21/2014 01:06 PM (UTC) •
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sookasooka Wrote:
We will surely see blaze.Taven was awakened during armageddon,but blaze had been doing his work well before that.Also,dagon(Taven's brother) was awakened 1000 years before taven.He also served shinnok but don't know how that will work out with the upcoming nether-realm onslaught.


Well, according to the story, Shinnok basically manipulated Daegon by telling him that his parents were aiding his older brother instead of him. That's why he killed them, and right after he formed the Red Dragon.


sookasooka Wrote:
For example,Liu Kang is not here to stop shinnok.Raiden is the only one who can stop him,but i don't think that's gonna happen since he required the steroids from elder gods to beat shao kahn.


Raiden is not the only person in the entire universe that would be able to stop him. Liu Kang defeated Shao Kahn without the aid of any outside help, it's safe to say that there is more than one person that would be able to stop Shinnok.


sookasooka Wrote:
So who will stop him now?? Most of the un-introduced characters are evil.


Johnny Cage? Sonya Blade? Any character that is introduced in the next game as a good character?

sookasooka Wrote:
The Deadly Alliance will no longer be formed.So we wont be seeing Lei Ming(I hope thats the correct name)


It's Li Mei. And just because we don't have the Deadly Alliance, doesn't mean we won't see her at all.


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But who knows,some new villain may come up and enslave the village,even someone like hotaru.And shujinko may end up training her anyway.


But Hotaru isn't necessarily evil. His only job is to maintain law and order. There's no reason for him to venture out to Outworld and just enslave an entire village for no purpose whatsoever. In fact, he would have appeared to be good since he was against the Tarkatan army. But because Onaga's military forced peace throughout his rule, he sought out him and is now working with him just because of that. I really wouldn't consider him that much of an evil person, just a guy who wants peace by doing whatever it takes.

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Another thing,The Armageddon,as predicted by Arcus and Delia,will no longer happen because most of the fighters are dead.And im talking about the main ones.The others won't make a difference.


But no one stays dead in this series.

sookasooka Wrote:
Arcus got proved wrong lol.But someone will take blaze's power,right??


Despite that Armageddon can still happen, I'm pretty sure things will change greatly and I doubt that it'll be a repeat to where whoever beats Blaze will become this ultimate entity. His purpose was just to awake the brothers and one of them will be the one to defeat Blaze and settle things down amongst the fighters, but since there were a change in things, a whole mess got created. Literally.

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Also,im sick of seeing these overpowered bad guys that are too strong like onaga,shao kahn and shinnok.



I'm not.

sookasooka Wrote:
Its about time the good guys had some overpowered dude,and Raiden won't fit that role without his elder god steroids and some dragons flying around him(Each sold separately)


But that's the whole point about good triumphing over evil. Why have one super powered dude that can easily fight their way throughout the evil just like that? I like to see the struggle. It's what makes a heroic story even better.

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I dont think Shujinko's story happen before the first mk, but rather after mk4.



What are you talking about? Yes it did. Part of Shujinko's journey started before the Mortal Kombat tournament. It took him decades to find all of the Komidogu, hence why he ages throughout the story. He's been finding all six of them throughout all of the tournaments up to Deception. His journey did not just randomly start after the fourth game.
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 •05/21/2014 07:27 PM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:

martin_m95 Wrote:
I dont think Shujinko's story happen before the first mk, but rather after mk4.



What are you talking about? Yes it did. Part of Shujinko's journey started before the Mortal Kombat tournament. It took him decades to find all of the Komidogu, hence why he ages throughout the story. He's been finding all six of them throughout all of the tournaments up to Deception. His journey did not just randomly start after the fourth game.


Looks like you didn't read the rest of what i posted.
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 •05/22/2014 01:16 AM (UTC) •
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martin_m95 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:

martin_m95 Wrote:
I dont think Shujinko's story happen before the first mk, but rather after mk4.



What are you talking about? Yes it did. Part of Shujinko's journey started before the Mortal Kombat tournament. It took him decades to find all of the Komidogu, hence why he ages throughout the story. He's been finding all six of them throughout all of the tournaments up to Deception. His journey did not just randomly start after the fourth game.


Looks like you didn't read the rest of what i posted.


Actually I did, and you're wrong, all of it in fact. Here, this is a timeline I pulled from a site that shows all of the events that Shujinko went through during his adventure before the first tournament came into play:

Trained by Bo' Rai Cho when he was young.
Trained by Sub-Zero to be a Lin Kuei warrior.
Trained by Ashrah to slay zombie beings through the wastelands of the Netherrealm.
Trained by Ermac.
Trained by Havik.
Trained by Mileena.
Trained by Hotaru to be a Seidan Guardsman and to defeat Darrius.
Defeated Darrius.
Trained by Baraka.
Allowed into the first Mortal Kombat tournament by Shang Tsung after the two fought to a draw, but did not go because he was ordered by Damashi (Onaga) to return to the Netherrealm.

So yes, his journey did, in fact, started before the events of the first tournament.
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 •05/22/2014 10:06 AM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
martin_m95 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:

martin_m95 Wrote:
I dont think Shujinko's story happen before the first mk, but rather after mk4.



What are you talking about? Yes it did. Part of Shujinko's journey started before the Mortal Kombat tournament. It took him decades to find all of the Komidogu, hence why he ages throughout the story. He's been finding all six of them throughout all of the tournaments up to Deception. His journey did not just randomly start after the fourth game.


Looks like you didn't read the rest of what i posted.


Actually I did, and you're wrong, all of it in fact. Here, this is a timeline I pulled from a site that shows all of the events that Shujinko went through during his adventure before the first tournament came into play:

Trained by Bo' Rai Cho when he was young.
Trained by Sub-Zero to be a Lin Kuei warrior.
Trained by Ashrah to slay zombie beings through the wastelands of the Netherrealm.
Trained by Ermac.
Trained by Havik.
Trained by Mileena.
Trained by Hotaru to be a Seidan Guardsman and to defeat Darrius.
Defeated Darrius.
Trained by Baraka.
Allowed into the first Mortal Kombat tournament by Shang Tsung after the two fought to a draw, but did not go because he was ordered by Damashi (Onaga) to return to the Netherrealm.

So yes, his journey did, in fact, started before the events of the first tournament.


Then tell me how the f*ck is Kuai Liang the Lin Kuei grandmaster.
If the early parts of the story trully take place before the first mk then he shouldn't even be Sub Zero to begin with.
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 •05/22/2014 12:54 PM (UTC) •
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martin_m95 Wrote:
Then tell me how the f*ck is Kuai Liang the Lin Kuei grandmaster.
If the early parts of the story trully take place before the first mk then he shouldn't even be Sub Zero to begin with.


Calm down. That is not supposed to be Kuai Liang, it's Bi Han. Yeah, he's wearing the same outfit as his younger brother, but it's supposed to be Bi Han. They didn't create a brand new model to show us this, they just used Sub-Zero's model in-game to represent him in conquest mode. We're supposed to get that it's Bi Han and not his younger brother as of yet.
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 •05/22/2014 01:14 PM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
martin_m95 Wrote:
Then tell me how the f*ck is Kuai Liang the Lin Kuei grandmaster.
If the early parts of the story trully take place before the first mk then he shouldn't even be Sub Zero to begin with.


Calm down. That is not supposed to be Kuai Liang, it's Bi Han. Yeah, he's wearing the same outfit as his younger brother, but it's supposed to be Bi Han. They didn't create a brand new model to show us this, they just used Sub-Zero's model in-game to represent him in conquest mode. We're supposed to get that it's Bi Han and not his younger brother as of yet.


Even if it was Bi Han, he was never a grandmaster. The Lin Kuei grandmaster was that red robe guy from mythologies:sub zero, until Sector defeated him some time after mk3 and then Kuai Liang defeated Sector and became grandmaster. Plus i doubt Bi Han would wanna train anyone, especially a kid.

MKD konquest just doesn't make sense. Especially when only Shujinko is aging and everyone else stay's the same.
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 •05/22/2014 02:45 PM (UTC) •
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martin_m95 Wrote:
Even if it was Bi Han, he was never a grandmaster. The Lin Kuei grandmaster was that red robe guy from mythologies:sub zero, until Sector defeated him some time after mk3 and then Kuai Liang defeated Sector and became grandmaster. Plus i doubt Bi Han would wanna train anyone, especially a kid.

MKD konquest just doesn't make sense. Especially when only Shujinko is aging and everyone else stay's the same.


Look, conquest in Deception started before the first tournament. That is a fact! Everyone knows this, why you don't and still don't bugs me.

I don't know how much more clear I can try to make this for you. Nowhere in conquest does it state that Bi Han is the grandmaster. They only say, "the grandmaster," when they speak about him. That doesn't tell me that it's Sub-Zero/Bi Han, just some guy we don't get to see, despite that we know who he is in previous games.

They wouldn't just give Kuai Liang a biography in Deadly Alliance, explaining his victory over Sektor and earning Grandmaster status, then claim that his brother also had it in the past in Deception's conquest mode. Sub-Zero is their most detailed character, story-wise, that hardly has any inconsistencies in his story. They wouldn't just make false claims stating Bi Han was a grandmaster in his Sub-Zero time when he never was. That's just stupid. Like I said, I don't know how much more clear I can make this for you. Just accept that this story happened before the first tournament, because it did.
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 •05/22/2014 03:33 PM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:

Look, conquest in Deception started before the first tournament. That is a fact! Everyone knows this, why you don't and still don't bugs me.

I don't know how much more clear I can try to make this for you. Nowhere in conquest does it state that Bi Han is the grandmaster. They only say, "the grandmaster," when they speak about him. That doesn't tell me that it's Sub-Zero/Bi Han, just some guy we don't get to see, despite that we know who he is in previous games.

They wouldn't just give Kuai Liang a biography in Deadly Alliance, explaining his victory over Sektor and earning Grandmaster status, then claim that his brother also had it in the past in Deception's conquest mode. Sub-Zero is their most detailed character, story-wise, that hardly has any inconsistencies in his story. They wouldn't just make false claims stating Bi Han was a grandmaster in his Sub-Zero time when he never was. That's just stupid. Like I said, I don't know how much more clear I can make this for you. Just accept that this story happened before the first tournament, because it did.


k, fine. Whatever you say.
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 •05/22/2014 04:14 PM (UTC) •
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martin_m95 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:

Look, conquest in Deception started before the first tournament. That is a fact! Everyone knows this, why you don't and still don't bugs me.

I don't know how much more clear I can try to make this for you. Nowhere in conquest does it state that Bi Han is the grandmaster. They only say, "the grandmaster," when they speak about him. That doesn't tell me that it's Sub-Zero/Bi Han, just some guy we don't get to see, despite that we know who he is in previous games.

They wouldn't just give Kuai Liang a biography in Deadly Alliance, explaining his victory over Sektor and earning Grandmaster status, then claim that his brother also had it in the past in Deception's conquest mode. Sub-Zero is their most detailed character, story-wise, that hardly has any inconsistencies in his story. They wouldn't just make false claims stating Bi Han was a grandmaster in his Sub-Zero time when he never was. That's just stupid. Like I said, I don't know how much more clear I can make this for you. Just accept that this story happened before the first tournament, because it did.


k, fine. Whatever you say.


You asked and I gave. There's no need to act like a jerk. If you don't believe me, then talk to Razorsedge, the only guy that can literally recite everything that has happened in every game. He'll pretty much tell you the same thing only in more of a lengthy detail.
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 •05/22/2014 06:36 PM (UTC) •
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@IceBaby:

Kinda weird how Mileena trained Shujinko before the first tournament when she wasn't even created by Shang Tsung until after the first tournament.

In all fairness, I don't think Midway thought out every little detail of the story and time line, that guys like Razor pick up on. It seems they were mostly just trying to squeeze every MK character in to Konquest mode for the sake of pleasing the fans. Even if it didn't make sense for all the characters to be in there.

One thing is for sure, Shujinko's quest sure as hell didn't begin after MK4.
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 •05/22/2014 07:16 PM (UTC) •
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RyanSeabass Wrote:
@IceBaby:

Kinda weird how Mileena trained Shujinko before the first tournament when she wasn't even created by Shang Tsung until after the first tournament.

In all fairness, I don't think Midway thought out every little detail of the story and time line, that guys like Razor pick up on. It seems they were mostly just trying to squeeze every MK character in to Konquest mode for the sake of pleasing the fans. Even if it didn't make sense for all the characters to be in there.

One thing is for sure, Shujinko's quest sure as hell didn't begin after MK4.


There are some issues that really aren't really well explained and there are inconsistencies, however as you said, this quest didn't began after Mortal Kombat 4. It began long ago before the first tournament.

And I made a mistake about the Sub-Zero story. I forgot about Vogel saying this, but according to him, the Sub-Zero that we meet isn't Bi Han or Kuai Liang, but more so their ancestor. But it still doesn't change a thing, it's still Sub-Zero, and he's not considered a grandmaster. So scrap that I said it's Bi Han, it's not, that was a mistake, it's an ancestor. As I said though, it doesn't change a thing.
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