yh i think one is good and one is bad

that's stupid to do that they have the same move and fatality

They were adding the Ninjas anyway, so they figured might as well add Masked Sub Zero.

They do have different moves. Unmasked has the overhead freeze and ice clone, Masked has the ground freeze. Also Masked sub has a popup combo, unmasked does not. They share the normal freeze and the slide.

They don't do the same fatalities. Unmasked does the ice breath and overhead shatter fatalities, Masked does a crappy grab the face, screen turns black fatality in UMK3 (and they gave him an ice spike fatality in MKT. He uppercuts the character real high, he does the ground freeze forming a spike, and they fall on it.)

Also... there are two of them because they are brothers. From what I know... the masked subzero is the older brother and is bad and the unmasked subzero (obviously would be the younger brother) is good. What I don't get is... How in the Trilogy...Smoke is Two separate characters (human & robot form). When he should really be only one character with the option of choosing his human form or robot form...

I don't know why, but I hear this a lot. People call him 'classic' but I don't think it's the same as the MK1 sub-zero. It makes more sense that it would be mkII sub-zero (same person as mk3 (umaksed)) because they have the same moves. I don't think it was ever official but that's how I like to see it.

Classic Sub-zero is just based off MKII's version, which would be considered "classic".

Because the classic version is the older brother who died in the Shaolin Tournament, and the other one who was masked in MK2 but unmasked in MK3 and so on was the younger brother of the other Sub-Zero (his older brother)

Trilogy just had every single character included up untill that time. Classic Sub-Zero was actually very fun to play as, however regarding his plot and story in that game, I treat his character as I would Human Smoke a non cannon type character at that point in time.

why did masked subzero's fatality have to be so retarded in UMK3?

They owned you.

Wasn't Classic Sub Zero's relaunch the first to be found? Seems he was very important to the series, inadvertantly maybe, but important nonetheless...

Relaunching with him is very easy because of the slight delay and the angle of the male ninja jump punch, anyone you can connect it on you should be able to get unblockable most of the time.

Next was Kabal I believe, and then Mileena.

I can believe Kabal, he's easy, but Mileena eh? Seems like an odd one to find early, I'd have thought it would've been Sindel or Sektor or someone...

If you follow the continuity of all of the endings then it goes like this:

MK1: Sub-Zero is killed by Scorpion and goes to the Netherealm where he becomes Noob Saibot.

MK2: This is the younger brother of the original Sub-Zero.

MK3: Same guy as in MK2.

UMK3: Classic Sub-Zero is Sub-Zero from MK1 returned from the Netherealm.

MK4: Same guy as in MK 2 & 3.

MK:DA: Same guy as in MK 2, 3, & 4.

MK:Deception: Same guy as MK 2, 3, 4, & DA. However, it is here that we find out that Noob Saibot is the Sub-Zero from MK1 & UMK3, as he kills his younger brother.

Man, and I thought I had problems with my brother. That is one messed up family. Who was their father? Charles Manson?

Anyway, I hope this clears things up. Or at least makes things confusing in a more interesting way.

Really? Where does it say that? And why does he copy all of his brothers moves? And isn't "the one that returned from the nether realm" Noob Saibot?

Classic Sub-Zero's appearance is not-canon. His ending hints at the possibility that he could be the older Sub-Zero, but it doesn't make a clear confirmation.

Now that we know older Sub-Zero became Noob Saibot after his death, either Classic Sub-Zero is someone else or he is non-canon in the storyline.

What I think is that John Tobias eventually wanted to have older Sub-Zero return.

So, going back to what I said earlier, Classic Sub-Zero's apperance is non-canon.

I think it's exactly the same as human smoke and cyborg smoke... same person, just an early alternate.

Seriously, folks. Doesn't anybody remember Noob/Smoke's ending form MK: Deception? It explains it all. MK1 Sub-Zero died, became Noob Saibot, returned as his old form in UMK3. It doesn't say why he changed back to his former self, but that's him. Classic Sub-Zero in UMK3 is Noob Saibot, AND MK1 Sub-Zero. Look at all of the Sub-Zero's endings. It's all spelled out.

What are you talking about? Noob-Smoke's ending tells no such thing about that. The only thing their ending states is that they were followed by Sub-Zero, and that Noob had not seen him since BEFORE he became a wraith and that he wanted Smoke to help him slay his younger brother.

The character "Classic Sub-Zero" in UMK3 was a throw in, mainly to throw players off track of the real story at hand, Noob-Saibot. Here's the way it went down...

MK1 - Original Sub-Zero is killed

MK2 - The younger brother of Sub-Zero

MK3 - (Unmasked) Younger brother of Sub-Zero

~UMK3~ - "Classic Sub-Zero" is added to throw you off. There was NO REAL REASON HE WAS ADDED, except may be popular demand, same can be said for Scorpion. As for "Classic Sub's" ending, it tells you that he, (Noob-Saibot) would make an apperance in the fourth tournament... Noob-Saibot as an unlockable... Anyone...? Noob-Saibot was just an "observer" that was ordered to "take down Kahn" by Shinnok.

MK4 - As you all probably know, younger Sub sports his older brothers costume. And as for Noob, he aided Shinnok again. And he had no ending.

Ya'll know the rest from Deception.

That's pretty much it.

Thats not really true. In MK2, there is a picture of a Asian man unmasked without a red mark goin down his eye. In MK3 sub-zero has the mark, but he is Caucasion. Please, explain that 4 me.

In MK2, he was still in the Lin Kuei clan. In MK3, it explains that he was marked for death by his own clan after he refused to take part in being automated. The scar was given to him as his "mark of death".

As for him being Asian in MK2 and Caucasian in MK3, they just chose an American actor to play him in MK3, and after that they just stuck to the look.

This is right its not that hard to figure, its pretty simple really if you break it down.

the Smoke thing is just the same guy, Smoke, from 2 diffrent times before automation and after. Sub-Zero's are 2 diffrent people..

Yeah, it was before Noob was confirmed as the original Sub-Zero in Deception.So, at the time it worked and didn't really matter and they could do that with the storyline in UMK3/MKT.

A very interesting story though none the less.

i doubt the mk team druing mk3 had any plans on story. they just started to make a deeper storyline which in my opinon is worse compared to the simple mk-m3 story line.

i don't tend to go and think about the classic characters causethere are so many ninjas and and filler characters, you tend to kind of pick up and tell who is cannon and who is not.