Question about characters for mk3, umk3, and mk trilogy?
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posted10/20/2004 07:55 AM (UTC)by
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01/17/2004 04:56 PM (UTC)
What characters that were in umk3 that werent in mk3 and what characters that were in trilogy that werent in mk3? and does any characters that werent in umk3 that were in mk trilogy that are canon to the story line?
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10/19/2004 05:54 PM (UTC)
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MK3 had the 15 basic characters, + Motoro and Khan as bosses and a non-playable Kano-Noob, who was fightable via a Kombat Kode.

UMK3 added male and female ninjas: Scorpion, Reptile, Kitana, Jade, Ermac (UKK), Mileena (UKK), Classic Sub (UKK), and Human Smoke (code after picking roboSmoke). They switched Noob to a male ninja pallette swap, and he was playable in the rare Wavenet version.

For the UMK3 cosole version they added Rain and Noob as playable characters.

MKT also had Rain and Noob. Johnny Cage was added. Raiden, Baraka, Jax (PSX/PC only), Kung Lao (PSX/PC only), and Kintaro were resurrected from their MKII sprites. Goro, Raiden (PSX/PC only) and (Kano PSX/PC only) were imported from MK 1. Khan and Motaro were playable. Khameleon/Chameleon were added... I forget which is which, but PC/PSX had a male ninja and N64 had a female. N64 had a different Classic Sub-Zero, who had the ice clone and ice shower in addition to his normal moves.

As far as which storylines are "canon"... I'll leave that part of the question to someone who knows better.
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sub-smoke
10/19/2004 07:25 PM (UTC)
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anybody on who is canon in mk trilogy thats not in umk3
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10/19/2004 11:03 PM (UTC)
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MKT is canon with the exception of Kintaro & Goro(who have no stories) and Human Smoke(who's ending says it's only a dream).
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sub-smoke
10/20/2004 12:29 AM (UTC)
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yes because it has the same characters as umk3 except for a few my question is are there any that are exclusive to trilogy that are canon except for smoke!?
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msims05
10/20/2004 12:40 AM (UTC)
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they removed the Unmasked Sub-Zero from the n64 version of MKT also..
The playstation one is far better for the fact that you have a far biger variety of characters to choose from
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10/20/2004 01:25 AM (UTC)
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I refuse to believe that MKT (the extra characters not in UMK3) is canon, like Raiden, Cage etc cuz it's like that wasn't the true vision for MK3, it was just a compilation of all the fighters from every game. I guess you could call it non-video game canon, while partially story-canon cuz some stuff did go through.

I actually doubt UMK3 as well... MK3 is the TRUE MK3 while UMK3 is like the director's cut, but were all those ninjas planned from the beginning?
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10/20/2004 01:43 AM (UTC)
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For me, UMK3 with MKT's storylines is the official way MK3 happened.

Basically all the characters in UMK3 were in it. When UMK3 was out, Mileena, Ermac, and Classic Sub-Zero, Noob Saibot, and Rain didn;t have official bios. So, MKT gave them some, and I believe they stick.

I also believe Khameleon and Chameleon were in it.

So, UMK3 with MKT's storylines is the way it happened.

Raiden, Johnny Cage (I don't care if they gave him an all-new sprite), and Baraka were not involved in MK3. Neither were Goro and Kintaro, but that's common sense.

Still, MKT answered how Mortal Kombat came to be: Wise men from the East started having dreams about Outworld, and how they would try to take over Earth one day. They asked the Elder Gods for help, and so the Elder Gods created Mortal Kombat.

In MKD, it's explained in Konquest a bit more - in order to take over the realms, Outworld must win 10 straight victories in MK, which takes place every 50 years. The Elder Gods created Mortal Kombat because they were afraid if they actively did anything to stop Outworld from taking Earth, they would do something to wake up The One Being.
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10/20/2004 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Anyanka Wrote:
MKT is canon with the exception of Kintaro & Goro(who have no stories) and Human Smoke(who's ending says it's only a dream).


What u said is not quite accurate.

Even though, as psychofight said, Goro and Kintaro aren't in the accepted storyline for MK3 time period (cus Goro had gone away after losing to Kang, and Kintaro was dead) they still had MKT bios.

Goro's: "Thought to have been killed in the first tournament, Goro resurfaces to fight again. After remaining undefeated for 500 years, Liu Kang 's ended Goro's reign in the first tournament. This delayed the Outworld attack on Earthworld, but Kahn's fury proved too powerful."

Kintaro's: With Goro's 'death' in the 1st tournament, Shao Kahn replaced the deadly demon with Kintaro. As ruler supreme of Kahn's armies, Kintaro was supposed to defeat the chosen warriors and lead the attack on Earthworld. However these events never came to pass."


And Human Smoke's ending does not say it's only a dream. The first part is all about how him and Subby tries to escape and he gets caught and transformed. The last 3 lines are here:
"In his human form, Smoke was a fierce warrior, in his mechanical body, he is even more lethal. But, his true form is that of a human, one he'll only know again in dreams."
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PsychoFight
10/20/2004 02:41 AM (UTC)
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Where did you get your sig? I mean, you obviously edited the text, but where is that pic from?
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krsx66
10/20/2004 02:58 AM (UTC)
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PsychoFight Wrote:
Where did you get your sig? I mean, you obviously edited the text, but where is that pic from?


If u beat MK3 on the middle 'champion' tower, u will get that message after your ending, here's the proper pic:

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10/20/2004 03:08 AM (UTC)
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The Goro and Kintaro bios are just taken from MK and MK II. When I said they had no stories I meant they had no updated stories to explain them being in MK3 and they have no ending. They are not actually taking part in Kahn's invasion.

Classic Sub-Zero has no new opening story, but he does have an ending. So it's different than them.

Human Smoke has an ending, but in his own ending it says he will forever be a robot and that he'll only be a human in his dreams. That means there isn't really a human version of Smoke walking around fighting during MK3. The robot Smoke can't just change at will. Human Smoke is in just for fans to use. In UMK3 this was different though. He had an ending where he actually became human again and ran off to train. Since MKT came out later it overrides that.
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10/20/2004 03:16 AM (UTC)
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Anyanka Wrote:
The Goro and Kintaro bios are just taken from MK and MK II. When I said they had no stories I meant they had no updated stories to explain them being in MK3 and they have no ending. They are not actually taking part in Kahn's invasion.

Classic Sub-Zero has no new opening story, but he does have an ending. So it's different than them.

Human Smoke has an ending, but in his own ending it says he will forever be a robot and that he'll only be a human in his dreams. That means there isn't really a human version of Smoke walking around fighting during MK3. The robot Smoke can't just change at will. Human Smoke is in just for fans to use. In UMK3 this was different though. He had an ending where he actually became human again and ran off to train. Since MKT came out later it overrides that.


Right.

But weren't Goro and Kintaro's mk1/mk2 bios adapted a little bit to fit the MK3 storyline?

And I didn't know UMK3's H. Smoke had a different ending, interesting...
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10/20/2004 04:14 AM (UTC)
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The bios they have in the instruction manual are taken straight from MK and MK II, word for word. They don't have any bios at all in the actual game.


Mileena and Ermac also have different endings in UMK3.
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Noob-Smoke
10/20/2004 06:57 AM (UTC)
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Whats the difference in those endings? I mean mileena/ermac's?
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Noob-Smoke
10/20/2004 06:58 AM (UTC)
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Whats the difference in those endings? I mean mileena/ermac's?
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10/20/2004 07:55 AM (UTC)
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Mileena's had nothing to do with Shinnok. It had her kidnapping Sindel and Kitana and holding them hostage with Baraka and preparing to hold MK4.


Ermac's had nothing to do with him being a bunch of souls. It basically just said he was a mysterious ninja that would continue to hide in the shadows.


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